Promotions And Demotions #167

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Handing forums doesn't take long. Plus the thing stopping new staff isn't just them being able to handle staff but also the amount of staff members in the first place.

It's funny cause it's the exact opposite of what you're saying here, handling forums which goes all the way from discussing matters, making/remaking rules or even making rules from scratch, fixing threads/posts, closing threads or resolving reports, it takes just as much time as moderating servers.

The thing stopping us from promoting a person to mod would depend on nothing other than whether or not we think they can handle it, or in higher promotions whether or not we need them, I don't get why people think there is like a maximum cap of staff we have.

Several posts continuing arguing in promo demo later, after aegean said to take it elsewhere

I see no problem with this discussion going on as the topic has changed and it's all nothing but constructive now

Rest In Peace digital :(

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Can we get a poor irl rating @Rhododendron

Can we get a poor irl rating @Rhododendron

What image would it be? It has to be 16x16.

Time to state my opinion on the reasons of your demotion Floppy!

@Floppy To be honest, you have no where near enough hours to be even considered as a moderator at this point, 8 hours is barely even noticeable on the servers. As a Moderator you represent the TF2 staff team, yet here we are with you arguing for your position as a staff member yet I barely see you on, hell a large amount of staff barely see you on. Not to mention your actual ban list is smaller especially for someone who's been a moderator since September 2016, do you actually follow the basic punishment hierarchy? It's quite simple really. Put simply: You are an extremely unorganised moderator.

Warn - Gag/Mute/Kick - Ban

Punishments escalate in time each time you punish someone, instead yours are extremely inconsistent, you spend more time gagging/muting people than actually punishing people via the set punishment hierarchy.

30 Minutes (Gag/Mute) -> 1 Hour -> 1 Day -> 1 Week -> 1 Month -> Permanent

The necessary hours should have stayed at 18 hours, it was much more suitable for staff members. We're meant to represent the staff team, if you aren't interested in playing on our servers then why are you even moderating them? @Kypari is not wrong in stating the activity, activity should be playing a big part in your position as a staff member, as for @Bello 's activity he handles the servers technical side, he spends less time on the server and more time fixing issues on the server, much like @Rejects except he spends time on the server also.

TL;DR Either show you're interested in moderating by being more active and start being more consistent or just don't bother, because you are neither of those things as of right now.

#rantover

Alright, I feel like suddenly everyone has an opinion on this, and guess what? that's just great, but I implore some common sense here

Again Inactivity and Lack of activity are two different things, and for those who know me, I've been hell active during the whole summer, after that, I've been also responding to jailbreak !calladmins while sharing wifi with my phone in the car when we were lacking staff, so, please dont question my commitment towards my staff position and towards this community, especially if you dont know me, or knew me via this promo/demo thread,

Now, if you are asking why I was inactive two weeks ago, ask @BlankuChan , He'll tell you that he got informed of my inactivity, and that, was due to the fact that the internet company was doing some repairs on my internet,

If you are asking why I'm not very active the last two weeks, and the answer is, I used to play on JB and VSH, and these two servers died, Now I play on Surf, not really intrested in the gameplay but because I find nice people there, and because, Pokemon and Tgh always have staff on, so I prefer joining a server with no/barely staff on, than join a server with 6 staff members on it, WHY ? what addition can I bring to the server ? + Being noticed ? +Becoming popular among staff ? +more play hours? And my answer for that, is "No thanks", I get on when I can get on, and I do my job as efficiently as possible, so before criticizing my number of bans and punishments, which is really a very ridiculous thing to evaluate a staff on, keep in mind that not every rule breaker is stubborn and that sometimes, a slay and a simple (all chat) message politely written is far more efficient.

I would like to remind the people who forgot, and inform the ones who don't know me, that I live in a country with a different time zone, GMT+1, it's 10:50pm here and should be 4:50 PM in 'New York' as an exemple, and when it's 10 PM in new york, it's 4AM for me, so by complaining about my lack of activity, you are either trying to convince me to move where you live, or join an empty server? or not sleep at all ? and FYI, I'm 24 yo and I have to work in order to survive, so I guess that, that one hour I join from 3AM to 4AM, where I try to keep the server peaceful while we get staff on, is in my opinion enough.

Now, one last thing. Since as @Caleb956 stated, people are under the impression that I'm stopping others from getting staff,

I've been a moderator for a while now, so that shouldn't even be brought up, and if it is then I could say the same thing

about all those people who leave to come back just to get staff, repeat the process. Just because more people are getting

staff, and there are always those people who want staff, I'm still doing what a mod is supposed to do, which is

moderate the servers, even if it's not as much as other people.

I'm not putting the blame on anyone here, this is my life, and just like I respect yours, respect mine.

Why are you guys still posting about this in the promo/demo thread after I stated you all to drop it. I don't mind if it's constructive but that is NOT what is going on in this thread.

This is a gaming community, you have 0 reason to be at each other's throats. At the end of the day, we are all members of the same community and arguing about semantics is uncalled for without context.

Lets make some notes about some things so far:

• There is no "ban" quota in our community. If anyone deals with rulebreakers properly but there just isn't a lot of rulebreakers for his time on, does that mean he's a bad mod? What kind of logic is this, should he just start banning more people just so you're happy
  

• Aside from a few staple ban guidelines, we encourage staff to make their own judgments on bans as context is always important in every situation. I personally do my best to educate a rule breaker on what he did wrong before I throw out bans, so not only is he satisfied, but the rest of the server understands as well. Are you telling me I should ban more people when I do get on just so I look like I'm working properly?
  

• Required hours should NOT have stayed at 18 hours, everyone has their own lives and moderating/administrating servers is volunteer work basically, it's not "fun" to deal with rulebreakers and this is not a paid job. We give mod to people who deserve it, and we believe is a benefit to our community. Of course we do expect good activity, but we changed it specifically because having a set time on servers is not appealing for members who want to help out but feel like it's a job rather than a privilege.
  

• If he plays off hours which a few members have attested too, and actually moderates instead of just sitting in spec and doing nothing, what is the issue? Clearly he has other members and staff that vouch he's a good moderator.
  

There are plenty of ways to have a meaningful and constructive discussion without assuming things or being disrespectful. Learn how to do that, or take it elsewhere.

common sense here

Again Inactivity and Lack of activity are two different things

Not really. You're inactive because you have a lack of activity because you haven't been on the servers as much as you should. What are you talking about?

I've been hell active during the whole summer

Irrelevant. That was summer. It's now 2017 Winter, nearing spring.

Now, if you are asking why I was inactive two weeks ago, ask @BlankuChan , He'll tell you that he got informed of my inactivity, and that, was due to the fact that the internet company was doing some repairs on my internet,

Rip Internet You said it would take a bit longer than 2 days. My internet has been 400-1000+ ping every single day when I get home from college and it doesn't stop me from coming on. My internet is getting fixed on the 15th I think and I still come on anyway.

before criticizing my number of bans and punishments, which is really a very ridiculous thing to evaluate a staff on, keep in mind that not every rule breaker is stubborn and that sometimes, a slay and a simple (all chat) message politely written is far more efficient.

You play on surf. I'm pretty sure I have more bans than you since I got admin than you have since you got mod.

I would like to remind the people who forgot, and inform the ones who don't know me, that I live in a country with a different time zone, GMT+1, it's 10:50pm here and should be 4:50 PM in 'New York' as an exemple, and when it's 10 PM in new york, it's 4AM for me, so by complaining about my lack of activity, you are either trying to convince me to move where you live, or join an empty server? or not sleep at all ? and FYI, I'm 24 yo and I have to work in order to survive, so I guess that, that one hour I join from 3AM to 4AM, where I try to keep the server peaceful while we get staff on, is in my opinion enough.

I live in the UK. It is 22:07pm as I am writing this and I still am on as much as I can despite me being at college with 60-100 hours average. This is no excuse considering I have never had activity problems since I joined staff in Summer 2014.

Now, one last thing. Since as @Caleb956 stated, people are under the impression that I'm stopping others from getting staff,

I've been a moderator for a while now, so that shouldn't even be brought up,

What? So what if you've been staff for ages, lik was demoted for inactivity where an admin position was being taken up for no good reason and he had been staff longer than you.

moderate the servers, even if it's not as much as other people.

A lot less. You have the lowest activity out of all the staff members.

EDIT: Posted this as @Aegean posted so didn't see message.

can we lock this promo/demo because its kinda become a shitshow of opinions

Alright, I feel like suddenly everyone has an opinion on this, and guess what? that's just great, but I implore some common sense here

 

Again Inactivity and Lack of activity are two different things, and for those who know me, I've been hell active during the whole summer, after that, I've been also responding to jailbreak !calladmins while sharing wifi with my phone in the car when we were lacking staff, so, please dont question my commitment towards my staff position and towards this community, especially if you dont know me, or knew me via this promo/demo thread,

 

Now, if you are asking why I was inactive two weeks ago, ask @BlankuChan , He'll tell you that he got informed of my inactivity, and that, was due to the fact that the internet company was doing some repairs on my internet,

 

If you are asking why I'm not very active the last two weeks, and the answer is, I used to play on JB and VSH, and these two servers died, Now I play on Surf, not really intrested in the gameplay but because I find nice people there, and because, Pokemon and Tgh always have staff on, so I prefer joining a server with no/barely staff on, than join a server with 6 staff members on it, WHY ? what addition can I bring to the server ? + Being noticed ? +Becoming popular among staff ? +more play hours? And my answer for that, is "No thanks", I get on when I can get on, and I do my job as efficiently as possible, so before criticizing my number of bans and punishments, which is really a very ridiculous thing to evaluate a staff on, keep in mind that not every rule breaker is stubborn and that sometimes, a slay and a simple (all chat) message politely written is far more efficient.

 

I would like to remind the people who forgot, and inform the ones who don't know me, that I live in a country with a different time zone, GMT+1, it's 10:50pm here and should be 4:50 PM in 'New York' as an exemple, and when it's 10 PM in new york, it's 4AM for me, so by complaining about my lack of activity, you are either trying to convince me to move where you live, or join an empty server? or not sleep at all ? and FYI, I'm 24 yo and I have to work in order to survive, so I guess that, that one hour I join from 3AM to 4AM, where I try to keep the server peaceful while we get staff on, is in my opinion enough.

 

Now, one last thing. Since as @Caleb956 stated, people are under the impression that I'm stopping others from getting staff,

I've been a moderator for a while now, so that shouldn't even be brought up, and if it is then I could say the same thing

about all those people who leave to come back just to get staff, repeat the process. Just because more people are getting

staff, and there are always those people who want staff, I'm still doing what a mod is supposed to do, which is

moderate the servers, even if it's not as much as other people.

 

I'm not putting the blame on anyone here, this is my life, and just like I respect yours, respect mine.

Don't even pull the "Timezone" card. Four staff members are from the United Kingdom @BonfireCentipede @Rejects @Forge @Kypari , one Turkey @Egossi and another Germany @Bello , thats 8-10 hour differences across the board from an array of staff members, don't even try it. Both myself and @Rejects have jobs and go to college on a daily basis, and yet we can still keep our activity up. You are clearly incapable of being "active" or have "enough activity" to provide a decent day to day basis for our servers.

Myself, @Vacindak and @Rejects @Kypari are frequent visitors to surf alongside @Skeletal who is our recent addition and yet again you say barely anyone goes on the server.

Anyway, this conversation should end, as Aegean just posted. I already half way through my post so I didn't particularly want to delete it all. Apologies @Aegean

If after all I explained this is what you guys have to say, then I'm done discussing, feels like a vicious circle in here, would be more logic to talk to a brick wall, it may actually try to understand ..

@Aegean @Bello @Rejects @mrnutty12 @Egossi @whoever has powers, Lock this thread please.

Just kidding, THIS is my last post, and ima make it short and sweet.

@Forge @Kypari , dont you guys have bans to give and more important stuff to do apart from sucking eachother off with the ratings?:coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:

Locked. Congrats to everyone promoted.