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It has come to my attention that in applications -1's do not have an affect on the individuals +1's at the time, this to me seems extremely dumb as it stops the individual from being denied in xG so long as they get 5 +1's, even if they get 5 -1's! So, I'm proposing a change to the application system. I suggest we make it so -1's actually affect the individuals ability to get into xG by making it so it will remove a +1 if they receive a -1, this makes it much more fair on those who do not feel the individual should be allowed to join, meaning their opinion actually has an impact on the application! Opinions? @Aegean @Rhododendron @Bleed @Rejects @Bello @Lithium @SuperMaddud @Vertex (Anyone can vote on this, just an FYI.)

I think this is our first review that's actually really well done.

I mean -1s matter. I do see where this thread is coming from though. Steven got a few -1s when applying to cs:go about issues that are way more evident now since he is comfortable with everyone. At the time I felt that those -1s were underwhelming. However I don't think an accumulation of -1s should deny entry of someone into the clan. xG shouldn't be an exclusive club, especially since we're just a gaming community. Making it so that -1s have the ability to flat out deny someone from the clan is in fact ridiculous, I am very aware of clicks in this clan. With that being said if one person is not exactly friends with one click in the clan they can come together and -1 said person. Lastly, this is just my opinion. However if this were to be implemented into member applications then there needs to be a higher limit for -1s. Possibly 150% or more of the total required votes to get in.

Wait, as far as I know that's how it already works, lol. I thought -1s always mattered ever since I joined this clan 3 years ago - what makes you think otherwise? In case I'm actually wrong here, then hell yeah. Make them matter again, anything else would be absurd.

In-Game Name: Koubza Active Division: Team Fortress 2 Previously a Member in xG: No Identity: Steam Community :: Koubza Banned: No Active on Teamspeak: No Time Active on Servers: Sep 2016 - Present (57 hours played) Age: 14 Reasons for Joining: Hello, I have been playing on this server quite a bit and have thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. I seem to get along well with the xG members and I interact with all of those that stop by on the server. I try my best to help out anyone that is having an issue. This is because, through my time on the server, I have had tons of people teach me many things, I belive that I should give back. I do my best to enfore the rules to the extent of telling people what they can't do if they were to break a rule. I think that it is time that I fully commit to xG. Things I can promise: - To be an active member in the TF2 division - To faithfully carry out the duties of a member - To respect everyone that joins, regardless of age, ethnicity, background, gender identity, et cetera - To bring fresh memes to the table And finally, - To indefinitely support anything and everything xG will persue. Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope you see me as a valuable asset and addition to xG. Sincerely, Koubza

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If you read the entire thread apparently someone higher up changed it in the past that -1s dont negate +1s which some staff apparently followed till today, and also op post never talks about a certain number of -1s instantly closing applications so i dunno where you read that, or if he edited it out.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=kingaegean

Ask a higher up to lock the thread if you really want to.

It's kind of up to the person that closes the application to accept it honestly. I had always read over the -1s and if they were troll posts/no context provided ignored it in my tally, but if there was context to it or a reason then I counted it. and that's how my fellow CSGOers and old CSSers did it. I didn't know that it was ever any other way where -1 was ignored or -1 was taken as a reason to close an app.

I never knew it changed or that there was an unspoken rule about it. +1 for the change, but definitely context matters in the -1's and +1's

^see above

Despite some hiccups in the past and issues with a bit of spam, someone was right when they told me you've improved. So, I'll go ahead and give you a +1 A: 10/10 M: 7/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-AXuqkL7WQ was taken and made into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZlj2p8W9M clearly the best soundtrack as well

Game Name: Lisa the First Lisa the Painful Lisa the Joyful Platform: Windows MAC OS Linux (Lisa The First to my knowledge is NOT on Linux) Time Spent: (A rough estimate is fine if the game doesn't track it) Roughly 30 hours on all 3 parts combined Do you recommend? Lisa The First: Yes, however, you can skip this one if you want, it doesn't have a real affect to it's sequels it's more of a starting point to get you ready for the depressing world of the next two. Lisa The Painful: Yes Lisa The Joyful: Yes What you rate the game: (1 to 10) Lisa The First: 7 Lisa The Painful: 9.5 Lisa The Joyful: 8 Initial Thoughts: My Initial thought was: "What the fuck is this pixelated garbage that people are going crazy about whenever i hear someone talk about Undertale?" After doing some research, i found the idea and the premise of Lisa incredibly interesting. So i thought to myself, if i'm going to play it, i'm going to start from the beginning with Lisa the first. Eventually curious to see how the series turns out, i continued onto Lisa the Painful and then Joyful. Pros: (At least 2 reasons) Lisa the First: First of all, this game isn't like the other two. It's more of an adventure game with puzzles that you solve to continue Lisa's perspective as it gives a real odd look at her relationship with Marty, her care giver who raped, abused, her and her brother Brad, (who is the protagonist of Lisa the Painful.). Mainly the reason for why you should play this isn't for the gameplay IMO but it's a great starting point in understanding how Lisa's mind deteriorates and how Marty will always be there, no matter what happens, she can't run from the pain. Another positive is that it's free to try it, so if you're on the fence on the series, give it a play, it's about an hour to 3 hours to complete, depending if you can get through the puzzles. Lisa The Painful: This is the cream of the crop. This game is set years after civilization has broken down and there are no women. However, Brad (our protagonist of the game), comes across a baby girl, who he names, Buddy. Brad sees this as the chance of redemption, to protect this girl from the world, where he couldn't protect Lisa from Marty. The game's combat is turn based however, you may also make use of combos to with the keyboard to yield extra damage. The story progresses and your decisions have a direct impact on the gameplay. I will not spoil any of these decisions, just be ready for them when they come. Not only are the story and combat fantastic but one that doesn't get enough credit, is it's VERY unique soundtrack and that is perhaps one of my favorite in any video i have ever played. I would also like to point out that all is not completely dreary. The game somehow incorporates humor in this very odd world both normal and dark humor. There is also a ton of side party members and side things to do that, so matter how many hours i spent playing this game, i still haven't found every party member or secret. Lisa The Joyful: First of all, this game is very polarizing and the community is very split on it. Half either loves it or hates it, most of the people i have talk to about it have the same opinion mentioned before so take it with a grain of salt. The game is much harder as you control our new protagonist Buddy (Nancy 'Buddy' Armstrong) the little girl from the previous game. The game retains it's great music, gameplay, and heart wrenching but at times, funny story. It's hard to talk about this game without getting into spoilers especially if you haven't play the Painful. So pretty much, if you like this game, you must play this DLC at least once. Cons: (At least 2 reasons) Lisa The First: First of all, there is no combat in this game. Just very vague and confusing puzzles and at times, i wouldn't blame you if you used a guide especially when you find out there is a TRUE ending. The game also comes with very frustrating puzzles, most noticably and imfamous are the Marty spiders, that if you touch, even the smallest pixel, will send you back to the start of the puzzle and if you mess up in placing a rock to block one of them, you have to leave the area and come back for the rock to be set back into place, this also includes when you're on the last spider puzzle in a dungeon, if you mess up, you have to move all the way back. it's a real pain. Lisa The Painful: There is no real negative in this game. It's mainly based on whether you can deal with RPG maker combat and the very depressing story. One pain in the butt are the cliffs, if you fall off a cliff IT'S GAME OVER so save often and pay attention to ledges. (on hard mode you can only save once per save point so be careful). Also, to some, the ammount of directions you can go to, can overwhelm some people so take it slow. Lisa The Joyful: Most of the problems that revolve around Joyful, is that it just isn't as good as The Painful. Some blame circulates over the main protagonist Buddy, so if you hate buddy, you may not like your main character because she doesn't really change and her ideals are different than that of Brad's. The music is also not as memorable as Painful but it's still pretty good in it's own right. Final Thoughts: This game series is in my top 10 greatest games of all time. The hopelessness of the world they live in depressing story as well as great music and some fun gameplay add to it's legacy. It's not a very well known title but it was made by a single person: Austin Jorgensen who dedicated the game to his greatest idol, his father Brad. My final analysis and reconmendation to you is that you play this game and go on a roller coaster ride of emotions. Lisa The First IS NOT required to know or understand the story. It's there to build lore and give in insight on the mind of Lisa, Brad's sister. However, if you do play The Painful, i recommend playing Joyful at least once even if you hate it. Before I played Lisa: After:

Oh, Oops. :thinking:

Congrats to @Sylux for winning the poll.

+1 A lot of cool people wouldn't be xG right now if this had been a thing but yeah it should probably be made a rule.

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@MineCrack You mentioned how if anyone accepted an applicant without following the criteria above they would be an idiot, despite people telling you higherups issued the unspoken rule in the past and there has never been a formal announcement on if it is reverted or not, that's why I quoted you.