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I don't know where to start with this apology. It'll probably be all over the place because I'm not so good with conveying my emotions/thoughts. I guess I'll start with saying I'm sorry for what Lemonvolt said in the thread. He didn't mean to group everyone (who isn't in my friend group) in this ''furry'' group. He did the worst thing possible (which is something everyone agreed with) especially since there was tension before that. He did it out of frustration and I can understand but I still didn't think it was okay for him to do that. I'm sorry to @Caribou to being a hypocrite towards him (and anyone else that found me to be a hypocrite). I reflected on what I had said and what I've done and I thought it was pretty retarded of me to say that people were picking on me for my past when I was doing the very same thing. I'm sorry to @Kypari (and anyone that can apply themselves to this or however you want to phrase it) for arguing with you in the past (and if I've argued with you recently which I dont think I've done, correct me if I'm wrong). I'm sorry to @bagggel and anyone else I've been passive aggressive towards. I should've thought before I sent that message. I should've went to a higher up instead of trying to stir up drama and I fully admit that I was completely in the wrong there. (Sorry for the repetition but) I'm sorry for all of the passive aggressive comments n' such. I don't know how to explain my actions there other than wanting to cause drama or something. (Was usually done due to having anger and frustrations that I couldn't do anything about). I'm sorry for anything my friends have said and done that upset anyone. I'm sorry for all the drama that's been caused due to my idiocy and immaturity. I would like to have a clean slate with everyone and try to do better this time. I ask for forgiveness for the dumb stuff I've done and if you don't want to forgive, I'm fine with that. I just hope I can get along with everyone from now on and to keep any snarky poop to myself and to improve myself on my behavior n such. I'm deeply sorry.

Greetings members and guests. You may be wondering what in the high heavens has been going on lately. Threads are a mess of toxicity and hate. It's very difficult to pinpoint the actual claims of many a thread, oh dear oh dear. It is because of this that in this thread I will be trying to explain how to actually engage in constructive dialogue with your fellow xenogamers members.. Part 1. Make sure any claims you make in any thread are substantiated by verifiable evidence. For instance, were I to make a thread called "Virr is an incredibly toxic individual who bullies and harasses me daily please demote" it would probably help to have multiple things. Maybe witness testimony that, yes indeed, Virr does do these things. Maybe a screencap of the abuse Virr definitely really sends me on the daily. However the strongest form of evidence I could provide would be unedited records of the events that had occured in full context. It is very very easy to clip a sentence or two out of context to try and assassinate someone's character Even if doing this somewhat incriminates me, it is better to provide evidence of the occurrence in context. It adds towards the credibility of my claim, as I am obviously not trying to hide any bad acting on my part this way. While this is the strongest form of evidence, that does not mean that Anecdotal evidence is inherently bad. It is especially useful in cases such as abuse through voice. Abuses or violations through voice are especially difficult to gather evidence against, as demos must start being recorded before the event transpires, and it's unreasonable to expect anyone making an abuse report to have been running demos at all times or for them to have enabled some kind of third party recording software. In this situation, you can see how merely the testimony of multiple unrelated individuals might be sufficient evidence worthy of creating a thread about. What isn't strong evidence though is "I feel like virr is being toxic because they vaguely don't like me and don't want to communicate with me outside of the platform of xenogamers when necessary". Which brings us to step two. Part 2: Realize that opinions are not really worth discussing if you are not willing to try and back them up. We've all got opinions. 'They're like armpits' or some other bottom-of-the-barrel-dad-joke. But generally it's not worth making a thread about an opinion if the most reasoning you have for an opinion is "idk i just feel that way I guess". That's not to say you don't have a right to that opinion, but the point of the forums is to provide some outlet for discussion. If I wanted to make a vote to remove clocktown because I think it's a bad garbage map, but I cannot elaborate on why I think that, it's pointless to even try to discuss it. That's why the vote exists, to just be able to give your input without having to defend it. It would be pointless and unproductive to just constantly parrot "Idk man I want it removed because I think it's bad" (which usually just devolves into a sh¡tstorm). Just create the vote, vote, and be done with it. You'd make just as much progress arguing over whether blue is a better color than green. Part 3: Please don't needlessly attack other folks' character, thanks. This one kind of speaks for itself. Kinda a "love the sinner, hate the sin" kind of deal. Generally you should take issue with what people are saying and not who's saying it. If virr said something as absolutely stupid as... it would still not be acceptable or intelligent to attack virr directly for his opinion on things. Attack his argument, that's fine, but the end goal of discussion is not mindless name-calling. There's a big difference between saying "hey man, I think your opinion is poorly thought through and inconsistent because xyz" and "lol ur dumb nerd". Part 4: Do not, under any circumstances, posit that you know what anyone's thoughts are unless they've already explicitly stated it. This is the big one that really annoys me the most. Like okay Sherlock, we get it, you think so highly of your genius self that you think you've conquered what philosophers worldwide have grappled with for decades, the impenetrable prison of the human mind. Here's the reality; you likely do not know what that other person is thinking. Even if they were to explicitly tell you what they are thinking, there's always something lost in the transition from thoughts to words. You can directly quote someone's opinion on a matter, you can try to theorize what their feelings on a matter may be through some amount of evidence, but to approach the matter without delicacy and just assume that you've got an individuals stance or views nailed down with no supporting evidence makes you look like an arrogant idiot who's so strapped for any modicum of support for their claims that you literally have to build a straw-man and burn it to have any impact. Part 5: Every single person on this planet has a set of biases. Everyone has a set of actions, opinions, or choices that they are predisposed to. This brings back the point about being humble. You are not above this. You may think you have no active bias against anyone or even anything, but previous experience and interaction always paints an individual's worldview a certain way. Some biases we can be conscious of, while others we can't. There isn't anything wrong with anyone for having an internal blind bias, it's completely normal, but my hope is that the more people who know about this, the less people will think that someone's bias exists solely to harm them. Just please be kind; as much as you're thinking the other person on the opposite end of the argument is a biased garbage bin, they're probably thinking the exact same about you, and it doesn't help anyone to grow sore over it. So there it is, my not-so-brief outline on issues with a couple of recent trends in threads. I hope it was at least somewhat coherent and I hope you have a wonderful day. Adios

(this one is literally targeting me for my mental health and anxiety, see the rating) If this is your personal idea of "not causing chaos" I might need to throw a dictionary at your face. Blatantly disrespecting members, staff and such because you didn't get your way. All of these silly passive aggressive comments and massive posts on the forums in which you try to make something that's not even that big of a deal into a huge deal could be dealt with SO much better, and in fact are causing chaos. You can contact your local higherup alternatively to making passive aggressive comments and trying to cause a poopstorm. We can prevent this together just so long as everyone tries to be civil and friendly! https://imgur.com/a/zHarbM5 Not even going to paste picture after picture anymore because this post is getting very long >.> , but it's pretty evident that you guys weren't happy with the overall decision people were coming to. Just because you didn't vouch doesn't mean you didn't have an opinion regardless. Had I been doing what Jackie was doing on the server, I'm preeeetty sure you guys would have been all over that. Though I'm assuming that entirely, I think plenty of us are genuinely confused why you guys thought that was justified. You're entitled to your opinions of course, but it doesn't always come across very well if you guys just rate things instead of actually saying anything, it just looks like you guys know that she should be in trouble but want to deny it with ratings (of course, that may not have been your intention, but that is how it definitely comes across to me personally).

I mean, so far the "Tuna group" are the ones stirring up the *drama, starting threads like these, claiming they're always in the right as "The furry group should chill tfo" and the "Tuna group" is "much better than the other" When a private chat between a friend of mine and I goes to you guys you instantly jump on the bandwagon and create this thread, other than that bandwagon, when I speak to someone in the xG Discord, for example that one time with Jackie, Tuna tries his hardest to get involved, then you guys expect no backlash. If anything, the "Furry" group are the ones trying to avoid drama, I'm pretty sure, most of the people in our Discord, (healix's) really don't care about you guys to put it boldly, we're literally just friends who play different games to have fun, if anything it's you guys who are always trying to cause a scene and ruin the fun, for example when Bagel slayed Tuna in the server, for a justified reason, and Tuna tried to cause a scene in the server, and failed, he took it instantly to the xG discord, another example is passive aggressiveness like this comment right here Another thing is the fact that the "Tuna" group never critcizes one another, for example the Jackie ban protest, although it was a clearly fair ban, you guys were still fine with the ban protest, as leaving positive rating on her and negative to anyone else's, friendship doesn't mean bandwagoning the wrong thing just because they're labelled friends; you can check my ban thread, my best friends -1'd me because I deserved it, something challenging to do for you guys, just don't forget, I cannot stress this enough that this is a gaming community, no one cares who you pooptalk in private or not, just remember that everyone's here to have fun, not sure about the "Tuna" group though

I don't know where to start with this apology. It'll probably be all over the place because I'm a complete degenerate. I guess I'll start with saying I'm sorry for what @Bello said in the thread. He didn't mean to group everyone (who isn't in my friend group) in this ''TF2 Division'' group. He did the worst thing possible (which is something everyone agreed with) especially since there was tension before that. He did it out of frustration and I can understand but I still didn't think it was okay for him to do that. I'm sorry to @Xerses for being a hypocrite towards him (and anyone else that found me to be a hypocrite). I reflected on what I had said and what I've done and I thought it was pretty retarded of me to say that people were picking on me for my past when I was doing the very same thing. I'm sorry to @DuckiiJr. (and anyone that can apply themselves to this or however you want to phrase it) for arguing with you in the past (and if I've argued with you recently which I dont think I've done, correct me if I'm wrong). I'm sorry to @John_Madden and anyone else I've been passive aggressive towards. I should've thought before I sent that message. I should've went to a higher up instead of trying to stir up drama and I fully admit that I was completely in the wrong there. I'm not sorry for making this thread after the last one :))) (Sorry for the repetition but) I'm sorry for all of the passive aggressive comments n' such. I don't know how to explain my actions there other than wanting to cause drama or something. (Was usually done due to having anger and frustrations that I couldn't do anything about). I'm sorry for anything my friends have said and done that upset anyone. I'm sorry for all the drama that's been caused due to my idiocy and immaturity. I would like to have a clean slate with everyone and try to do better this time. I ask for forgiveness for the dumb stuff I've done and if you don't want to forgive, I'm fine with that. I just hope I can get along with everyone from now on and to keep any snarky poop to myself and to improve myself on my behavior n such. I'm deeply sorry, lol jk fudge y'all #CantStopWontStop

Hey, it's a learning experience. Happy to start things again ^^

Closing this thread, it's legit the pot calling the kettle black from both sides. Everyone who has complained about the other person is either uninformed, or guilty of the exact same thing. You guys need to stop arguing, constructive criticism is completely okay though, but not everything has to be argumentative. The staff and TF2 players aren't going out of their way to hate on Tuna or his friend group, and Tuna's friend group are not going out of their way to cause chaos. Cliques will always be a thing in all aspects of life, especially a gaming community. You do not have to like someone to show them respect or to receive it. ~Closed

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Don't worry dude it's not entirely you, I also acted immaturely so hey, it's all cool, still can't blame you though because I really wasn't the greatest person

Don't sweat it Etika, not your fault. Also, I don't think there's much need for you to start off with a clean JoyconBoyz, I believe you've improved a lot in the past few weeks. I've seen it myself! I'm glad you still want to play Minecraft though, and I'll be looking forward to it! ?

Don't sweat it dude, not your fault. Also, I don't think there's much need for you to start off with a clean slate, I believe you've improved a lot in the past few weeks. I've seen it myself! I'm glad you still want to improve though, and I'll be looking forward to it! ?

@NitNat I didn't say you guys +1'd her, I am talking on Discord and since you said "only one person reacted to a post I'll go ahead and name every rating you guys did, can't get screenshots I am not home. Tuna reacted agree to Jacklyn's ban protest (justified ban), Lemonvolt reacted boring to Kypari's reply, which had good points, just passive aggressive, reacted the same to the following post aswell, Tuna reacted Gross to Elcark's reply, Tuna reacted are you insane Goblin's post, and Bliz thinking, Tuna reacted losin it to my reply And just now I got a thinking, yeah, just 1 react, all justified, not passive aggressive at all And since you guys aren't starting fire presumably, why did Tuna pull that stunt from the FF2 thing, and why do you bundle everyone as "furries", your hate for furries is blatant, hating people for their interests is very much an act of instigation. And you're saying I haven't changed, if you knew me back then you'd know how different I am, and how I act in private with my best friends is different from how I act on the server to strangers, for a person who didn't know Tuna I wasn't going to judge him from what I hear, I saw what he was doing And I wouldn't make it seem you guys came from the dead to cause chaos if that wasn't what I saw, no drama was being caused, no one was salty or had a vendetta, no one complained about the rules as much, you guys came, created the problems, pinned it on everyone else, then act as massiahs coming to solve them, and things have only been getting worse

There are far more groups than just the furry group. That specification is so broad that I don't think I can even place who you mean by it. There's groups of Wyverness' discord, Krampus', Healix's, Hachi's, and many of us are in multiple of them. Just labeling everyone as furries despite how surprisingly enough a lot of people aren't actually furries doesn't exactly come across very well at all. I'm really unsure why you're pinning this all on Tuna, I don't have problems with any of you solely because of tuna because that's completely unfair. Many people in your friendship group I have had problems with in the past and currently, and since most of the people in that group go around sort of in packs and often do things together, I don't think it's unsurprising personally to say that a lot of us aren't a fan at all of how many of you have acted. Hopefully we can all put a change to that! I don't even know if I would have called it the tuna group in the first place to be honest Things could definitely have been handled better to a degree where (I mean this with the upmost respect) it just makes you guys look rude, snarky and I hate to say it but kind of childish. As virr said, we're a gaming community and there's no need for drama and I just want everyone to get along, but when I see passive aggression (from both sides too) it just makes me feel like we've lost something. You're saying you're much better than the other and that's obviously entirely biased and pretty unfair to say, but obviously you see your group from a different standpoint to what many of us do. In my personal opinion I would think the total opposite, no offense of course. I feel a lot of drama stems from private discord ranting and people disagreeing with opinions. Why is it so bad if someone disagrees with your opinion? We are all human (surprisingly considering the current state of the tf2 division) and we all have feelings and opinions, and no one should be shamed or insulted for that. If someone disagrees with you, ask why, try to change their mind, and if all else fails that's OK! This leads me to another problem that I've been having, which is in regards to people on TGH essentially tryharding and playing "as if it was competitive". This came up in an issue recently when many maps had votes to be removed and people were making comments such as "24/7 Aquatic Ruin". Complaining how people play in the first place is the problem, and I don't even play competitively - I just kill people because that's my way of fun and I prefer maps that are more balanced and are fun to fight on, I would join a comp team if I played competitively, not hang around on xG. Hanging out with you guys and killing is great and why I love playing on xG servers, so if people would stop judging other people for playing they way they do that would be nice, and I'm directing this at the people who play it competitively and call people idiots for liking to explore maps too (that really bothers me), not just the people making snarky comments towards those who do play it competitively. People play in their own way and as long as we're not breaking rules or hurting anyone is it really such an issue? I hear things like "why are we voting for this fudgeing map lol" (specifically from the competitive people since I'm often with them in a call) way too often and I also hear others complain like "lol competitive tf2", but I just don't understand why people can just vote for the maps they like, try to rile people up to go to the map you like and just get along, not argue over something so silly.

I haven't ever really had any negative interactions with tuna. I know skelly didn't get along with you the best, but from my personal experience I don't really have much of a reason to think that you shouldn't be staff. Albeit I don't play much on surf and think most of the rules on that server (if any) are stupid and overly complicated, my prior experiences with tuna on pokemon and tgh, from what I remember, have not been negative ones. I personally have no real objection, so +1.

I don't think it's a matter of argument, tuna has a tendency to heavily push regulations on other staff members and even calls them out on it (nobody else does it out of being instantly shut down by the "staff has final say" rule) when they fail to do so and to be told that you're wrong (especially by someone without power) it makes them feel attacked/offended. Imo he's pretty fit for the position and stays in check with rules even if he can be over the top at times. +1

+1, he follows rules and isn't toxic

These videos are awful. I've seen these videos before and they piss me off every time I watch them. J Cole, Hopsin, and Logic, while they may be more "lyrical" in the terms of them having more complex wordplay, doesn't necessarily constitute them as "good" artists. Many of their songs are corny, and just as whiny, mundane, egotistical, and selfish as "mumble" rappers songs are. For example, J Cole recently made an album that was advertised to discuss the dangers of drug use and etc. One would expect an album like that to not be about the rapper and their accomplishments (unless it involves drug abuse somehow), but in several songs, with one example being ATM he gloats about his accomplishments and how rap sucks now and poop. This is so fudgeing egotistical to the point where it ruins any real value the songs have. Furthermore, just because lyrical rappers have lyrics that touch on serious issues, it doesn't mean they are hard-hitting or meaningful. Logic made a song called 1-800, which was supposed to address suicide, but I can't take it seriously because the bars are just awful and corny. These rappers are fake deep and act like they tackle important issues, but never bring a solution to them. Like if J cole or Hopsin say drugs are bad, like of fudgeing course i know drugs are bad, like they have no original or interesting opinions or ideas on the issues they discuss. Also rap music isn't just lyrics, a song must also have good production and etc. Like look at Eminem's new album. The beats are awful and while some may think the lyrics are good, his delivery is terrible. Furthermore, mumble rap is not intended to make the listener think, and there isn't anything wrong with that. Its supposed to be fun and catchy. This guy also sucks at trying to classify things. In the end, both mumble and lyrical rap are stupid fudgeing titles with inaccurate stigmas attached to them. sorry for writing an essay -a man that loves music

+1, tree is a respectable guy who loves to play and have fun. Is he the most mature? No, no where close. Is he the most outspoken? No, just no. Is he reliable, consistent, funny, enjoyable, and responsible? Hell yes he is. While he doesn't deserve the spot as much as some other people applying, he still deserves a spot.

For one that's not what happened at all. I just remember coming on and minding my own business when you started saying petty comments and malicious things. I have no idea what you're talking about me not bothering to read some of the rules; seems to me like you're making up situations in your head but heyho. For why I'm here right now it's because sometimes I like to just see how things are going on the forums and seeing this thread pop up made me think I should leave my 2 cents here before staff make a horrible decision or a great decision of giving you staff. If you truly have changed, then good luck. However, all of my past experiences with you have been negative, making me feel uncomfortable when you are on servers.

I'm not a furry ?

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~nuetral I left for one day and I dont belive I have ever seen him before that. Even though I haven't seen him others say he is very friendly. A: ?? M: Idk

In-Game Name Keegan516 Division Counter-Strike Previous Member No Identity 76561198169834486 Age 14 Previously Banned No Time Active on Servers 1 day 6:44 Reason for Joining I follow the rules and am not toxic toward others. I have been really active on the servers and will continue to be.

-1 Argues with staff and instigates. Everytime Im on a server with you, you do something that shows your not ready for staff. Your activity is pretty good tho. ?

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You're making it sound like it was our intention to come here and cause chaos, pretty sure this whole thing blew up after tuna and I were hanging out on surf again. It was the fact that so many different staff were pretty much doing what they felt like was right regardless of what the rules even said. So many things were unjustified and no one seemed to be on the same page. This whole situation blew up even more once Tuna decided to become a staff member to possibly help out some of the loose ends. Yes things can always be handled better but some of the things you guys are saying against him were after the fact of questioning his past events. It's ridiculous honestly and that's what frustrated me the most and made me step in as well. Some of you didn't even try to actually get to know him beforehand and labeled him immature, toxic, whatever the name is now. Anyways that's not the main point. There's more to just "The Tuna Group" if you things it's just our small friend circle starting fire. A lot of people were and are still upset on how things were handled before this all started. Yes things should be more basic and carefree, we are a gaming community just like you said, but obviously as we all know there will be complications Caribou I don't know what you meant by our personal friend group defending Jackie and coming in to rescue her with +1's. You're making assumptions there because if you actually looked, none of us said anything at all for that thread. One person reacted to some post, and that's it. You're absolutely no better either. Listen I'm all for giving people a chance to change and character develop but you can criticize and point fingers all you want but you're still just as bad. Don't claim that you've matured or changed when you still go out of your way to try and bait people into anger and stir drama. I'm not pointing my finger or trying to blame xG's problems on your friend group either which was crudely labeled "furry" None of us knew someone *cough cough* @LemonVolt was going to do that >:\ To anyone who reads this I'm willing to start over on a better foot with some of you guys. No one wants drama in a place where you're supposed to unwind after all, but when things feel sorta..unfair, it's hard to prevent regrettable statements or action

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