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I agree 100% with @Elcark and @Kypari. It has never been an issue in the past, faggot should NOT be considered on equal terms as the N word, or Sp*c, or other racially offensive terms. This is a video gaming community, if someone says to their friend "shut up faggot", I am not interested in punishing him as he does not deserve a punishment. If he is being disrespectful, follow the guide on that. We are not a SJW clan, and we are not a safe space. We have rules for a reason, but we also understand that we are in an online gaming community, we want people to have fun, and we don't want to find trouble where it doesn't need to be found. If you honestly think someone saying faggot could ruin our servers, then we have other issues in my honest opinion. I'm telling you right now, unless I see overwhelming support from our community, I refuse to make our servers a safe space as it is more trouble than it is worth.

As a serious response, i say fuck no to censoring words alone regardless of the context, if the context is something similar to "lol fuck off fag", it shouldnt be taken as the same thing and punished the same way as someone who says "god i fucking hate faggots, i wish they didnt exist". That is plain dumb.

It's sad that we're paper-skinned anymore. Any water dumped on you and you guys shrivel up. Can we just keep the basis that if someone is harassing someone, we punish them? Can we also keep in mind that the people are behind a monitor acting all tough; Literally ignore them. Punish them if they're harassing someone/you. How hard is that? xG can be a welcoming place without being a Hitler with slurs. Obviously racial slurs are no good, but come on. If we ban the word faggot, we should ban weebs and furries alike.

First of all, YIKES. I personally hate everything about censorship. It's wrong. If someone wants to be an edgy fuckwad, that's their thing, and they put up with the consequences of being disliked by everyone. If they're toxic, yes, that's different and they should be punished. In this day and age, anybody can get offended by ANYTHING. Are we going to ban the english dictionary? No, that'd be dumb. If I get offended by the word "bean" because it "sounds like beaner" it doesn't mean shit. Are we going to ban the word "vegetable" from every context because in one certain context it means disabled? No. Context matters, but with controversial words like this, nobody ever looks at the context, they just look at the word and cry "hey that guy's a bigot!". Oh yeah, at this point let's also ban the word "bigot" because that offends people too. (let's actually not though because censorship is bad) People joke around with others all the time, in fact if you've ever seen actual stand up comedians most of them say cultural insensitive shit (but mostly now they just make fun of white people like if that's any more okay). People seem to find it just as funny to make fun of white people and christianity (not religion as a whole because from what I've seen people only find it funny to make fun of christianity) and it seems okay to them but you're immediately crossing the line when it's LGBT or the African-American community (not even race, the only skin colour you're not allowed to make fun of is black). Obviously if someone is saying it to be an asswipe that's not ok but nobody would agree with them anyways. I know that some people can easily pull out the "it was a joke" card but most of the time they really mean no harm, and for the word "fag" from what I've seen most people don't ever use it in the context of "homosexual". It's almost like back in fourth grade where if any kid ever said the word "black" in ANY context, someone would say "that's racist". These words mean what you want them to mean. At what point are we going to ban all swear words and eventually remove all communication? -1 to the ban of the word +1 to the removal of censorship

I think the "word" faggot is highly demeaning and should be a bannable offense, we have people who lose their lives over this stuff and it is a serious thing. I really don't think i should have to explain why I think the word faggot "should" be banned. It is such a terrible word along with other words and frankly, I think we should ban all profanity cause it can make other people uncomfortable and it makes me uncomfortable and I think its wrong that anyone can offend other people and thats wrong. And I also think we should ban insults because they are usually just used to demean and make fun of other people and it is only used by internet trolls and thats wrong. So i think we should just make it so that everybody is forced to say they love everyone on the server at least once an hour to keep up the positivity and the happy fun time going because we need that kind of an environment in order to be able to remain on the server

People have an opinion on a word they don't want in our servers, and you're saying we're turning the clan into a fucking dictatorship. The right to voice an opinion without punishment is not a dictatorship, and the higher ups don't even agree with the suggestion in the first place but respect their right to do so. Why do you think this thread isn't deleted or locked? Stop overreacting, and think before you post.

-1 mostly since people need to learn to relax and ignore someone if they're saying words they don't like. If someone is going out of their way to harass someone else with the terms then yeah, punish them for that, but if simply seeing the word 'faggot' or so on causes you to stop functioning or just start hyperventilating then I don't know how you survive browsing the internet, unless you confine yourself to xG servers and sites only. It's not the same as going to a workspace in real life or being stuck around actual people that are tormenting you or calling you those things and whatever else, it's just people playing on a video game server. Plus, if you ban one thing you may as well start banning every other offensive word now that could be deemed rude or mean towards a group of people, or just anything rude altogether, servers are already pretty strict compared to some others with how it's currently ran, don't think they need to be made even more strict, just deal out punishments to the individual people that are trying to harass rather than limiting more words for everyone. Don't want this to become something like Twitter where you can't breathe without someone losing their minds.

He was harassing another staff member (queenofhearts) after multiple warnings to stop. wasn't banned but @Lithium denied their member app.

Twitter's pretty lax in terms of rules, the people on it might not be in terms of what they themselves think is acceptable. People also not wanting to be around certain language is not equivalent to them being hyper sensitive or whatever you're implying. We've seemingly collectively decided that we'd rather have our servers be an environment without the use of racial slurs. Does that make us hyper-sensitive? The slippery slope is a fallacy, one type of word being banned does not inherently mean all other less offensive words follow, but as I've pointed out, if we ban racial slurs because they're slurs and in general we think they will not have a positive impact, it's not odd for people to think that it's inconsistent that we allow all the other ones. I do not think our servers are strict at all comparative to other ones. If you look up the rules for skial or jump academy, or any other large group, they tend to be relatively close to ours. Our servers aren't lawless dumps, I like that. I feel it elevates the discussion and enjoyment for most everyone involved. People trying to purposely antagonize people by toeing the line has always annoyed me and the less damage they can do by trying that, the better.

I think its valuable to point out that many people opposing this probably DON'T know what its like to be persecuted for something you have no control over. Being part of the LGBTQ+ community IS NOT a choice for anyone- its a biological identity. I think the issue that this post is coming from isnt the clan wanting to be a sjw safe space, i think its more highlighting that we need to be inclusive and respectful to our community members who may need a break once in a while from dealing with these issues irl. While my personal views on the word may be different, we are a community so we absolutely NEED to look out for each other and have everyone's thoughts in mind. If we cant manage that, we'll just fall apart. If respecting someones feelings isnt really an option for someone, then i'm not sure whats drawing them into being part of a community in the first place. (And to clarify i'm not dismissing anyone from the community, I'm just saying that the behavior isnt indicative to being part of a multi-game reaching clan)

I'm gonna give my take on this and then fuck off. Personally, I don't care if someone calls me a faggot. I know what I am. Other can choose to be offended by the word, and that's perfectly fine. They're not a baby if they choose to be hurt by a word. Making fun of them for disliking a certain word/being called it is just immature. Now, I will fuck off.

On another note it is probably better if we don't heat up the thread, so sorry about that.

Sorry that I'm pissed that you guys are turning the clan I loved to hang out on into a fucking dictatorship. Not saying the word "faggot" can't be offensive, but it's the internet. I don't really care if someone is calling me a dumbass cracker on the internet because it doesn't mean shit. You just need to grow up and grow some thicker skin. "This GAMER just called me a FAGGOT online, I want him banned!" If someone says that to you IRL, that's a completely different story. Just bop them on the fucking nose with your karate kick you've been working on since you were twelve.

Since I am a little girl, the words "flat chested" offend me, can we pls ban them, guys? tyvm < 33

And that is your view point, but clearly from the way it has been treated as well as other offensive words by a great deal of other people, not a universal opinion. Why should someone be needlessly limited to what they can and can't use by grounds that they must be absolutely using it in a derogatory sense when the word is viewed by the greater part of society not to be limited in such a manner (While other derogatory slurs again such as nigger are, which is why they aren't allowed)? It also brings us right back to how there is any number of insults that people will feel ridiculed about and have similar connotation (autistic/retard) and trying to go through and censor every one of them is an implausible task. Only going through and limiting certain ones would only be doable by personal opinion and not actual view-ship of how the words are treated as we already do censor in that way, being those extreme taboo racial and ethnic slurs. Having an environment where people are going to be immune to ridicule is entirely impossible, which is why staff exist in the first place. Unless staff are incapable of maintaining this environment without imposing ever increasing strictness on everyone, there's no reason to do this. Making people welcome goes both ways as well. People need to both be able to be treated with respect but also have the liberty to do as they please so long as they uphold this first part. If the time having faggot allowed has shown anything is that it is entirely plausible for the word to be used openly without violating that first aspect, otherwise it would have been cracked down on far sooner.

We're not saying "ban every word that's considered a slur". We should ban the words that are commonly used to demean people so everyone feels welcomed. There's a nice hand full of people on our servers who don't like this word being used wether it's "jokingly" or not. Everytime someone's like to say "oh you fucking faggot" or "what are you a faggot?" makes someone feel that their in the wrong because of their sexuality. Our clan/servers are suppose to make people feel welcomed, their suppose to have fun. They shouldn't have to worry that they'll be ridiculed or not. Maybe we should go through that list and ban a good amount of slurs. No one should be making fun of people for the way they choose to live their life. Like Queen said, there's been many of times we've muted/gaged people for saying the N word, then someone asks why another person wasn't gagged for "faggot". We have to come around full circle or we just look silly. Also, we have alot of actual children who play on our servers. Wether the games we play are rated M or not, we have to keep that in mind. You get a 12 year old running around calling people faggots and not know any better? That's just not right lol

List of disability-related terms with negative connotations - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Please ban every word in this list. The terminology of a slur is incredibly broad, the concept of banning all slurs is not as simple as disallowing a small handful of words. Cunt is a genderphobic slur. Tranny is a sexual slur. Cheesehead and hillbilly are ethnic slurs. Disallowing the great variety of words that can easily be defined as a slur is something that has been in the community narrowed down to a number of notable ethnic slurs, but why is that? As far as I believe, expectations of behavior derived from societal norms. It is not uncommon to see a variety of words such as bitch and fag that can be defined as slurs be used openly to an extent they are words you can hear multiple times a day and nothing would be out of the norm. Breaking out some of the more notorious racial slurs such as chink, kike, or nigger are not something you will see used at all by a much greater extent and are viewed negatively practically universally. Ethnic slurs like this have a much stronger taboo rooted to them that sees even uttering them as unacceptable, a taboo which faggot does not have to the same extent. Famous pieces of literature such as "To Kill a Mocking Bird" and "Huckleberry finn" (and other works of Mark Twain I believe) have received such censorship over these slurs to see them banned from schools in more then one occasion, while this is not the case for sexual and gender slurs. To put it simply, faggot is just not seen negatively to the same extent as the aforementioned racial and ethnic slurs by society as a whole. The etymology of the word faggot has received harsher criticism over time of course, but so have a great many. Autistic is very often used in an equally negative sense and is viewed harshly because of this. The same goes for retard, though to a much greater extent in recent times to the point the word is discouraged to be used entirely in some places even when not used in a direct negative way. Banning faggot would be hypocritical in itself if we did not take into consideration other words that exist on similar levels of disdain within society these days, but what is the likely hood that this community is going to view such words in such an extreme light? This community has spent at least two years functioning fine in this same mindset that faggot does not necessarily quantify the same connotation as the racial slurs we don't allow. It by all means can and is used in an insulting and disrespectful manner, just like practically anything can, and the situations that this happens have always been handled appropriately without having to resort to such an extremity as this. The only reason I would personally feel it is a necessary act would be if we believed either the community was incapable of behaving in a mature enough manner to use this word without absolutely meaning it to be derogatory or if it was believed our staff were incapable of properly knowing how to differentiate between the two cases. Otherwise, it is straight up a matter of constraints on the entire population for the personal felt benefit of a smaller portion. The phrasing "xG is becoming safe space" is an extreme way of expressing it's intended concept, but in this case at it's root that phrasing is entirely accurate.

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+1 Defenatly deserves this! He is very active and a very nice guy, knows rules and would be a great mod!

+1 Friendly dude who knows the rules. Think he'd be responsible enough for mod.

That's exactly why I said think before you post. No reason to be hostile to prove a point when you are better than that.

This is a vote I'm making so we can have a ttt server ?

not broken it is its own language

fuck off brady woopx is a better warden than you will ever be

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Whoever banned people for saying "dyke" was wrong to do so, my last name is Diker and people fuck around with me by calling me a dike (dyke). Unless they were constantly harassing members and dyke was one of the terms they used, I don't believe people got punished just for the word.

How do you "choose" to be offfended by words? You just are. If you can choose, then just choose to not be offended. Easy, right!?

no you're definitely retarded then I promise you I've seen you both play at the same time but he probably doesn't wanna speak to you xddd

Honestly, I highly agree with this.

I love shitposts!

I had to pause my game cause I pointed something out to Hyper in DMs and he pointed something out to me. My point was, if we ban this word, which we shouldn't. It'll make people want to say it more. Stupid shit like that always happens. And, he pointed out that if we do ban it, it could cause more people to leave.

Yes, but what I'm saying is that, by making this push for moderation with less "subjectivity", which is a sentiment we've all seen echoed in the whole spray debacle multiple times, they've collectively screwed any stance where you want a moderator to make a subjective choice. What's the difference between calling someone a faggot and the big ol n bomb? Nothing really, they're both slurs, so if you've purported this goddamn binary where either something is allowed or it isn't, you can't be fůcking upset when people end up comparing like to like and wanting more slurs banned.

Okay well I'ma just add my two cents into this thread and say that to be honest I have never cared too much bout being called it as a joke or hearing other people call each other faggot. The thing that I do care about is when people are out right trying to make someone feel bad and hurt them with it or any other form of slur which is where the no disrespect and harassment rule comes in to stop this, which is what we have done so far. Which is why in my opinion I'm okay with it being allowed since it's fine if some people wanna joke around with it or other stuff, as long as they aren't trying to to hurt someone with them. Plus there's the fact that we can't just go around banning every slur and making a list for it as there will always be new ones that aren't in the rules so I'd rather just leave it open. Also, That's what it already is right now. I'm pretty sure at the moment all racial slurs are basically banned and we just punish them as we find them, and we didn't really make everything ironclad? People were just questioning over the spray rule so they clarified it to where basically nothing really too inappropriate is allowed, which is fine. The slur rule has been the same for a pretty long time now, which it doesn't really need a change imo since the problem this thread is discussing is already handled as racism isn't allowed in general, and for faggot and other slurs that would just go under disrespect if someone uses it in that way.

My stance usually would be that we shouldn't even need a list of banned words and like nearly every other platform, rather should try to figure out on a case by case basis whether something constitutes as harassment or not. With that said, I think multiple users, multiple times, have demonstrated that they get some kind of enjoyment out of doing literally anything just to get under other users' skin, and will play anything they've done in bad faith off as a "joke" when confronted about it. It also doesn't really help our community or servers to have someone shouting the n word over and over again because it amuses their Cro Magnon brain (and we do have those users), I don't think that would make our servers feel very inviting or cast the rest of our community in a very intelligent light. So idk. It seems like the easiest work around would be to just have a ban on racial slurs, if anything, and then evaluate anything else on a case-by-case basis. But everyone thought rules were too loose and moderators too subjective and wanted everything to be iron clad, so yall really fůcked yourselves here, there's not really a case that can be made anymore that's logically coherent you goddamn fools.

If this goes through i will have to mute myself all the time. Whats next banning the word retard or gay?

You're saying "you guys" as if I personally care about the word and we are actively actually going to do anything about this. Saying that "you just need to grow thicker skin" is incredibly ignorant and doesn't consider the mental state of the person. Internet or not, words can hurt people and just because they don't hurt you or me doesn't make it OK to say it to someone else. As I have literally said in this thread, I don't think we should ban the word faggot, but obviously if someone is being disrespectful towards you then that's a problem. Consider how OTHER people feel and not what YOU feel. I don't care about the word myself as I've said. I'm a fucking faggot and I've said it a few times on discord too because it's funny to say.

We're going to mold every single xG member into fucking SJWs at this point. We get offended over the slightest thing and the next thing you know, the guy who said "fucking faggot lmao" will be sent to the shadow realm. Everything Goblin stated in his posts is fucking godly. Like, holy shit who sent this man? Stop being fucking babies when it comes to "offensive" words, seriously.

On the topic of slurs themselves, I personally see no benefit to using words like forementioned, unless you are trying to start a disruption in the population. In this case, we can likely shut that down immediately, since disrupting the community and starting a "mutiny" isn't really accepted (speaking on a specific case that all rooted from one word). I apologize for attempting to be all diplomatic, but realistically those that cannot function in a community without demeaning other's shouldn't be in that community. However, trying to ban every word that exists in the world that has this type of power is evidentally extremely difficult, and of course we will see complaints such as how "limiting" it is. In this case, I propose making the rule(s) that deal with these terms "derogatory terms are not allowed," plain and simple since those who want to "rebel" against it will have to find new reasoning, and everyone else is (we can only hope) satiated. I rephrase, the only point to defending the use of such words is essentially to be contrary, which is only fun for those who find fun in defying structure. This means that they will attempt to use and defend slurs and tabooed words to fight against "the system". Banning and restricting the use of these taboos will seem to only start more avid arguments in the future, again only to be contrary. It is alot easier to do your job as staff when the very rules you uphold are described specifically. Our rules on slurs/derogatories specifically and disrespect generally are "Racism is not allowed. Disrespect, harassment or trolling is not tolerated and may result in a punishment. Trolling is unallowed. (The definition of trolling is to the discretion of the moderator, and can include intentionally being annoying, antagonizing players, impersonation of staff members, spoiling the ending of games or movies, etc.)". This leaves alot of option on what isn't allowed and what is up to personal discretion, which isn't the most trustworthy or respected at times, so revising it would define a clearer image of "don't say this". Makes most everyone's life easier. +1 to revising the rules that speak of disrespect/combining them. Neutral on banning any specific term(s).

-1 Why all these old staff members coming back for a week when we did all the work to revive the servers thinking they can just get their shit back from a week of activity

I will throw the finals again this year. ?

Any good CS:GO member knows of the great prophets sent to our division, such as JohnGalt42. There is one which is very intriguing, the language of WoopX. I have been studying this language of his, and I would like to share this divine gift with all my fellow members of xG. Most important rule of Woopxian: Save your breath. Use as little amount of words as possible. Do not under any circumstance use a word with more than two syllables. Few examples of Woopxian in Jailbreak: Warden = warner Take one step out of your cell and AFK Freeze = afk freeze doors no gun Follow your warden = no jump bhop follow Go to my marker and freeze upon arrival = go marker, stop freeze Crouch walk follow your warden = control only follow (or) come, do crouch Please do not get within knifing distance of your warden = stopping back no knife Please drop your contraband without picking it up or passing it = drop no shoot Few examples of Woopxian in a conversation: Stop that! = stopping! stopping! I am sexually confused = freeday! *opens cells even though he's not warden* I am still sexually confused = predator day! Hello everybody = hi i warner Remember to make no sense at all. Common responses in Woopxian: Where are you from: yes What country are you from: control? control only follow warner You are the warden, give orders: no, you warner WoopX, that was a freekill: he bad i shoot I do not know this language too well, as it would take me many millennia to learn this sacred language to speak it fluently. Tell me if you know of this language and can give any examples I do not know of @Brady1780 @Bot @Jaydow @Keegan516 @Genocide

Now here is what I propose, should we ban gay xG marriage?

An issue that we have on our servers is our treatment of slurs and offensive words. We don’t allow racial slurs and other vocabulary made to demean and offend, something that benefits the servers, But one word escapes this rule Faggot It is ridiculous that it is allowed considering the fact that the servers have such a large LGBTQ+ presence , but that is why this thread was made, to discuss and push the fact that it really should not be allowed. On Top of the fact that is offensive and often used in toxic ways, it paints the server as hypocritical. Why ban some slurs and not others? I have often kicked/muted people for slurs who then start saying faggot asking why this is allowed, why am I not muting them. It is a bad message to send. I know that there are people who wish to keep their right to openly say slurs (despite no real reason to) but really it is detrimental to the message we are trying to send and does nothing beneficial to the servers. So I ask that we vote, to enforce a ban on the word, a notion me and other mods, try to enforce already, as it hurts us, hurts them, hurts us all and sends a hypocritical message to any new and veteran players.

Yeah so it wasn't for the term dyke, it was more for the harassing part. Thanks for the clarification ?

-1 maybe Im retarded but I dont think I have ever seen you

But we already started that, with slurs, why not just complete the job? Faggot is about on the same level as the n-word, it is just used more because homophobia has been an ok thing for a much longer time

PSA: No one can know you're depressed, gay or a furry online unless you say it, much like no one can tell if you're black, white or purple. That's why we don't give two shits when people say "I'm black, why are you not letting me say the n word???" I mean, I did say that I say I agreed with Goblin, who said that we should be banning people if it's harassment. If you agree, then why are we arguing? I don't really get it.

OK, you need to chill out. "Faggot" is still a slur and still offends many gay people today, not to mention that being gay and also the whole bullying aspect for it is a VERY high cause of suicide and depression/anxiety. People have every right to get upset and offended by it. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be allowed on servers.

ninja kissed me on the battlebus ?

Unfortunately, your moderator submission has been declined I would have liked to see a bit more activity in general to consider you as discord staff. ~closed