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  1. 3 points
    Dannypicacho

    Mr.LogicToast

    hey guys csgo admin here but uhhhhhhhhhhh if this is saying the n word that you're talking about, I don't think this applies at all if somebody goes to klan meetings and starts honestly rambling on about how he hates the "inferior race" that's still hate speech... obviously you're right about the "everyone does things they regret" and if he said the n word in the past then it's time to let go and everyone else is saying good things about him, but if he IS saying the n word that wouldn't be proper behavior for a staff member I get your point frosty, but sometimes they way you put it just isn't quite right. Besides that, I don't know anything about this man, just here to bug frosty ? Good luck on moderator, Logic!
  2. 3 points
    Lithium

    Suggestions Thread

    yeah, i added that now
  3. 2 points
    Division Discord Offenders In-Game Name Garrettb(insert random set of numbers here) Offender's Identity Does it matter? Ban Type Server Ban Explanation and Evidence Comes in discord every couple days about how he has ban evaded several times and can quit hacking anytime he wants to (like a smoker claiming to be able to stop whenever they want). Talks openly about how he makes numerous accounts to hack on and evade and brags about his accounts not getting VAC or otherwise banned (yet). Generally tries to intentionally rile up users and staff with his bragging about it etc. Claims he will video him "throwing out his hacks" "if he needs to" and that he "wont use them" Honestly he's almost worse than Oscar. @virr @Lithium @Aegean @LeToucan Can we just banerino all of his current (and future) accounts from disc and be done with it, it's annoying to have him coming back every couple days to talk about how he can evade his bans if he wants to, and false promises to not hack on our servers.
  4. 2 points
    Memes aside, i have no idea why he does this but we made a deal. Included some more screenshots if you care for those. Last chance ~closed
  5. 2 points
    Vacindak

    Mr.LogicToast

    I was yesterday and yes , Tuna is right. I tought everything were Okay between you and logic until now. :c Sorry Logic but You need to understand , The past is on the past, Having resentment is not a good way to focus at the present even more if you are going to charge a mayor responsability like staff. Being staff is not only enforcing the rules is also dealing with players. in my experience, I found a lot of players who are extremly hard to deal with, I have a lot of examples , THAT I DON'T WANT TO ENTER IN DETAILS OR THIS POST WILL BE TOO LONG AS SNAKE FART. in summary You will find every type of players and maturity and respect is needed. i know you!, you has mayor improvement, I've seen it! .....you are not pretty far of them!. So do not despare!, don't give up!,i know you are Capable to do it! at this moment I'm going to keep this neutral until logic solve that problem with tuna. ALSO TUNA........... YOU HAVEN'T SAID HELLO ?.
  6. 2 points
    hongkongatron

    Mr.LogicToast

    -1 A:9 M:4 Despite my not playing surf, I can still vouch for his lack of maturity and responsibility when he comes on other servers. I’ve seen little to no demonstration of a wish to help out that I can take seriously, as I feel he’s often floating in the clouds, rather than taking advantage of opportunities to assist the server. Activity doesn’t translate to eligibility. ??
  7. 2 points
    Aegean

    Suggestions Thread

    I agree with @Chrono that it is a tarp, but we can clarify it on the MOTD as an example just so people can refer to it whenever possible.
  8. 2 points
    Chrono

    Suggestions Thread

    If they're saying an order and say "on my go" at the end of it that is arguably a tarp, same with the repeat having the "on go" at the end of it, you're basically telling Ts to do something then saying jk if you did it im killing you because i didnt say go yet. just slay them or tell them it is invalid.
  9. 1 point
    virr

    TF2 Admin Handbook

    Server Staff! Moderator [xG:M]: Watches the servers, makes sure there are no rules breakers, helps to keep the servers nice and controlled. Has the 5 main commands: mute, gag, slay, kick and ban. Can use !admin to see more usable commands. There are also Probationary Moderators, which only have the essential commands. Probationary Moderator comes with a much stricter tolerance for following the rules/abuse. Administrator [xG:A]: Simply put, a more trusted moderator. Has all the same commands and responsibilities as a moderator does, but is the more experienced and trusted staff when compared to moderators. Has the 5 main commands: mute, gag, slay, kick and ban, along with several other commands that moderators do not have access to. Admins have also got the power to permanently ban someone from our servers. Can use !admin to see more usable commands. Server Leadership Division Manager [xG:DM]: Helps run the division outside the servers. While watching over the servers like moderators and admins do, they must also control the forums and discord. Division managers decide if a person should be un-banned, promoted, demoted, etc. Has all the commands admins do and a few additional commands. Division Managers do not get access to all of the commands, however, certain commands are reserved for Division Managers and higher only, such as sm_map. Division Leader [xG:DL]: One of the more important positions of a division. A division leader does exactly what a division manager does, but has one main difference between each other. Division leaders have access to the servers. That means they can fix the servers, add plugins to the servers and do what they please to them. Responsibilites and tasks of either of these positions may vary, communicating with each other makes it easier to fully cover all of the division's tasks outside of the servers. Community Leadership Community Manager: [xG:CM] This rank is higher than any division-specific rank. Typically, CM's will also have all the powers of a Division Leader, but are also involved in clan-wide decisions and changes Co-Leader: [xG:C] OR [xG:CL] This is the highest rank in the clan, and are tasked with the management of the entire clan. To see an updated staff roster, click here! Staff Expectations Discord Staff are required to join the xG Discord in order to recieve calladmins. Being active in the discord itself is encouraged but not required. Activity requirements As a result of our intentions for you all to enjoy yourselves as much as possible, we have decided that there will be now hour requirement anymore, but a guideline of approximately 10 hours every 2 weeks. Not reaching this will not result in any further action, though repetition will likely result into warning or demotion. Staff members must show respect when dealing with players Although some people are incredibly hard to deal with, as a staff member you must treat others with respect. Starting to disrespect rule-breakers or even harassing them will most likely result in a removal of your powers and possibly a ban. Players should know why they were punished When punishing a player, make sure you let them know exactly why they have been punished. If they continue to ask about it, please go into more detail and explain to them that if they would like to protest their ban then to make a ban protest here. Staff should wear their tags when playing on the servers at all times Going undercover is allowed, but do not stay undercover for long periods of time or when other staff members (wearing tags) are on. This should only be done if there are complaints or a calladmin request of a specific person breaking rules when no staff member is on. You obviously do not have to wear your tags when you're playing a different game or on different TF2 Servers, only if you play on xG servers. Staff should remain unbiased and try to not show any favoritism Staff should be something like a third unbiased opinion on things. Showing favoritism to certain players will result in a removal of your powers. Staff shouldn't deal punishments based on the words of other players Unless you saw an offender breaking rules yourself, you should not do anything about it. Staff must have their game details and active hours in the past 2 weeks visible to the higherups In short, make sure that you don't have a private profile and the privacy setting about "game details" is set so that the higherups can see them. Offer To Middleman A Raffle If a player wants to raffle away an item or play a game that involves gambling or an entry fee, you are encouraged to put yourself forward and middleman for them as a trustworthy individual to avoid the potential of scamming to occur Abuse and fun commands Abusing your powers is forbidden. Abusing is doing something for your own personal gain at the expense of the people in the server and doing things just because of your position. This can include but is not limited to: Banning people you hate for no reason at all Killing people while in god/buddha mode Slaying everyone in any server for no reason Using any of your commands against random people that don't deserve it Going against/breaking our own rules While we strictly prohibit negatively influencing a players game with your powers, there are a few commands that make the game a more fun experience for everyone. In order to use these commands on everyone, you must start a vote that has to pass with at least 70% to make sure the majority of the server agrees with it. Please try to not spam votes. How to make a proper punishment Warn, then slay/mute (sometimes optional), then kick, then ban [WSKB] When you get to the point where you have to ban them, make sure to use your common sense for how long the ban should last. Don't permanently ban a guy for mic spamming. Mute him and if he continues ban him for a few hours. However, using the WSKB approach isn't always required. For certain situations you can instantly ban for situations like: Abusing !calladmin (A day ban) Majorly intending to troll the entire server (A day ban) Hacking (Permanent) Mass freekilling (Permanent CT ban) Mass freekilling then leaving the game (Permanent) Ban Decay: Do not go onto the next step for bans if there is a gap of a year or above since their last ban, related or not. For donator abuse: Warn -> Kick -> Day Ban -> Warn -> Week Ban + Removal Of Powers. Inform higherups when possible to remove powers swiftly. If someone has a day ban for bodyblocking and abuses their powers, do not kick them and then jump to a week ban. Ban decay DOES affect donator abuse. Do NOT skip steps. We now do extended comms bans. If a player is doing something on mic or chat, but without bad intentions, use the appropriate ban method (gag/mute/silence). For example, bad mic. Follow 30 minute comms ban -> 1 day -> 1 week -> 1 month -> perm. If a user has a previous ban for one of these reasons, go to the next time level but with a comms ban instead of a server ban. However, if a player is communicating with malicious intent, follow standard procedure. (warn -> gag/mute/silence -> kick -> ban) We heavily encourage using /silence if the user can break the same rule in both communication methods. Important: Following protocol for punishments are important (Standard: Warn > Mute/Gag > Kick > Ban)! You should follow these steps as it is the best way to handle issues. However there is times that you can skip a few steps. For example: If a player is breaking multiple rules (ex: exploting and spamming), then you are able to jump to kicking the player from the server. If the user returns to the server and resumes doing what he was doing to get kicked for, then you should follow up with a ban. Note: If you feel as though a situation can be resolved without punishment, or a lesser punishment can reach the same conclusion, use it. Our intention is not to punish players who break rules, but more so to keep the game fun for everyone by preventing the problem occurring again. Note: If something is happening that isn't negatively impacting the experience of the server (such as saying a common phrase outside of the English language), please try to be less strict about it. Follow normal ban procedure if necessary, but as a whole, don't just nitpick situations that really aren't a big deal. As mentioned before, our intention is for everyone to have a good time. Not to see who can ban the most people. It is up to your jurisdiction to decide on what is too strict and what is not. Hacking/Cheating You can only ban a hacker if either evidence (demos, screenshots of malicious activity, etc) is included and substantiated. If unsure, ask for help from another staff member. If the evidence is substantiated, it is a PERMANENT ban. Sprays, Avatars and Customizable items We're gonna use an inappropriate spray as an example. If someone sprays their spray, you need to issue a warning and let them know that their spray is not allowed on our servers. You can remove their spray by typing /removespray while facing the spray. If they spray it again, you can kick them and remove their spray again. If they rejoin again and spray their spray again, you can issue a short ban (i.e one hour) and remove their spray again. If they come back after an hour ban and spray the same spray again, you can remove the spray again and issue a one-day ban. If they come back after a one-day ban and spray the same spray again, you can remove the spray again and issue a one-week ban. If they come back after a one-week ban and spray the same spray again, you can remove the spray again and issue a one-month ban. If they they do it again after a whole month of being banned, you can remove the spray again and permanently ban them. TL;DR: Warn + Removal of spray -> kick -> hour ban -> day ban -> week ban -> month ban -> perm The rule for customizable images on the servers for the most part covers the majority of what would not be allowed to be shown, but even then there will always be cases where something that is borderline will come into question if the rules allow it or not. Below is a short list of common obscurities that would not be allowed. Sex toys or anything that appears like literal genitalia Nipple bulges Outlined genitalia/camel toe Exposed butts Semen Remember you always have jurisdiction to step in for the betterment of the server even if the issue at hand isn't something explicitly stated within the rules. If a spray is going to disgust, offend, or otherwise disturb the server as a whole or any large amount of peoples, that is not a spray which should by any means be allowed to be used. Server commands and more! Refer to the following part of the guide if you forgot a certain command or if you are new! The commands listed can be used by either putting ! in front of it, or a /. Using ! will make the command typed show up in chat, while the / will hide it. EX. /mute or !mute. All of these commands can be accessed in the admin menu. Chat messages Staff has special commands available for chat to make communicating with people on the server easier. All Chat Used to send a message to all players on the servers. Easy way to distinguish yourself from other players as a staff members, so please use it when warning and for other staff related discussions. To use it, type in normal chat "@" followed by your message. Private Chat Used to send private messages to once certain user. To use it, type in normal chat "@@" followed by the players name, and then the message. Admin Chat Admin chat: Used to communicate with the administration currently on the server. Can be used by both regular users and staff members. Regular users will not see what others will type into this chat, but the staff members can. Can be used by typing @ at the beginning of your message and in team chat. Admin Menu Usage: sm_admin This brings up a menu where you can access most of the commands (ban, kick, teamswap, etc.). This is handy if you forget some of the commands, but most of the time it's easier to just use the commands in chat. See here: Ban Ban: Ban is used to keep a user locked out of a server for a certain amount of time. The time of a ban is measured in minutes. Usage: sm_ban [name] [time] [reason] 1 hour = 60 minutes 1 Day = 1440 minutes 1 Week = 10080 minutes 1 Month = 43829 minutes Teamban Teamban is a jailbreak only rule, which bans a user from a team on the server. Usage: sm_teamban [name] [time] [reason] Kick Kick can be used to kick a specific person out of the server. Usage: sm_kick "name" "reason" Slay Slay can be used to kill a certain user on the server. Make sure to tell the user why they were slayed. Usage: sm_slay "user" Vote Vote can be used to make a vote (quite obviously). It can just be a simple vote that's outcome doesn't affect anything or it could affect something. It could burn all, slay all, etc. If a Yes/No Question, No ALWAYS goes first and Yes must receive a 70% or higher vote. You can only have a maximum of 5 choices with vote. Usage: sm_vote "question" "option 1" "option 2" etc... Who Who can be used to figure out who is a staff member on the server. sm_who "user" -> See if a specific person has staff/donator powers sm_who --> See if any staff member or donator is online Stealth Will make you Invisible to anyone on the server. Usage: sm_stealth Targeting In order to use these commands on other players, you'll need to know how to target them. Typically, in the commands listed above, you can replace <player> with a fragment of their name. For example: yields . Sometimes, this won't work, if two players have the same name or have untypable characters in their name. In that case, simply type status in your console. This will provide you with a list that looks like this: First, you need to find the player you want to target, and find their userid - the first column. Then, you can type the command followed by #userid. For example: . Here is a list of various default targeting methods available in SourceMod. #steamid - Matches by Steam ID. If you use colons :)), you must enclose in quotes. Otherwise, you can use an underscore (_) instead. Examples: "#STEAM_0:1:4433", #STEAM_0_1_4433 #<name> - Exact name match after the # sign. @all - All players (available on most commands). @bots - All bots (available on most commands). @alive - All alive players (available on most commands that accept alive players). @dead - All dead players (available on most commands that accept dead players). @humans - All non-bot players (available on most commands). @aim - Current player the admin is directly aiming at. @me - Target self. @!me - Target everyone but yourself. @red - All RED team members @blue - All BLU team members Note that name matches occur last, "magic targets" (such as # and @) are processed first. This means that "@all" will target @all players, even if there is a player named "@all". You should target "#@all" instead. How to get staff There are two ways to get staff. You can either earn it or you can create a moderator application here. Earning staff: Basically higher ups pick you. They will take you into consideration if they see you a lot on the servers and consider you mature enough. Moderator Applications: To submit a moderator application, click here. However, you should read through these guidelines first. Both of these ways require you to be active on Discord, the forums and TF2. You are expected to be mature enough to handle a position of power.
  10. 1 point
    Mr.LogicToast

    Mr.LogicToast

    Division Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name Mr. Logic Toast Identity STEAM_0:1:73478039 Position Moderator Time Active on Servers Since 8-27-2016 Information Dear Higher Ups, I would like to join the staff as a member who has been playing on these servers since roughly august of 2016. I believe that i can be an asset to the community and help others when there are rule-breakers. I have no intent to disrupt the peace of this community, i just ask humbly (and look forward to) being a liable staff member that can be there for the players when a staff member is needed most. Best regards, Logic
  11. 1 point
    Spirit

    _ymir

    In-Game Name Chance Division Team Fortress 2 Previous Member No Identity https://steamcommunity.com/id/cmcarey Age 20 Previously Banned No Time Active on Servers 1d20h Reason for Joining Hey! I've been playing the surf server for about half a year now (?) (took a few months break for summer), has been a fantastic time. Great people, great game mode (my most played hours by far), great maps and server. I've not applied to be a member before now as I never thought about it that much, but I've decided to apply as I'd like to become 'active' in the community as it seems to be a community worth being active in. Cheers! Chance
  12. 1 point
    well, here's the story of everything leading up to this post right here 1. I buy CS:GO 2. Get absolutely ass-blasted by everyone on every server and every gamemode. 3. "lol you don't got skins" - toxic squeaker 4. ff about like 2-3 months (getting better at this) 5. discover the xenogamers minigames server (its ok) 6. ff around a week 7. discover the xeno. jailbreak server (thats more like it) 8. ff about 2 weeks or so 9. create account on the website and apply for membership 10. create this post So yeah thats whats been going on in my csgo related adventures so far, its not much but its been a fun ride from start to whenever I eventually finish, and I wanna thank you all for great epic gamer moments and im hoping to become a member (or maybe a mod). Welp, if you need me, ill be accidentally tarping in the jailbreak servers.
  13. 1 point
    Kypari

    _ymir

    Its about time you applied, I see you on the servers all the time. Really active, nice guy, and perfectly represents a great member for xG. +1 From me!
  14. 1 point
    ABlueSkittle123

    _ymir

    Its about time you applied, I see you on the servers all the time. Really active, nice guy, and perfectly represents a great member for xG. +1 From me! Its about time you applied, I see you on the servers all the time. Really active, nice guy, and perfectly represents a great member for xG. +1 From me!
  15. 1 point
    bagggel

    Hey, so umm

  16. 1 point
    Egossi

    @Genocide

    Hi @Genocide
  17. 1 point
    Hard +1 for the ban. Became toxic after the ban, constantly mentions he's gonna make his millionth account, continues to say he could ban evade if he wanted to and bragged about his cheats. The bunny hop ban was also EXTREMELY justified, as he first was claiming that S.M.A.C. made a mistake and after being told that it couldn't happen and I accused him of hyperscroll, he still INSISTED it was a mistake because he claimed he didn't have that kind of mouse, then after being told again it was impossible or near impossible he convinced me he was using hyperscroll and "didn't know it was cheats". Lithium called him out on his ban protest saying that's not how it works and hyperscroll wouldn't even get detected by SMAC, and garrett was finally convicted and banned for bhop scripts. In discord he later admitted to not only bhop scripting but also using aim/vision cheats. Are we really gonna trust his bullshit? He already tried to bull his way out of the bhop ban. I honestly think he's going to continue to cheat, maybe he'll buy expensive premium cheats since he can afford 70+ accounts with CSGO. And to think we're gonna let him off easy just because he'll donate $10 and post a picture of himself, covering his face with a piece of paper? there's too many of them lol I don't blame you
  18. 1 point
    YeEternalTuna

    Mr.LogicToast

    You see, I would give you a +1 but yesterday you came at my neck the moment I joined the server. Didn't even say anything to anyone, not even a hello and you instantly disrespect me for no reason. I thought you were okay before this unfortunate event but it seems like you still lack maturity as other people here say so. You should probably fix your attitude towards players before you apply or it's just going to cause problems. -1
  19. 1 point
    Spirit

    _ymir

    Thank you both ! ?
  20. 1 point
    hongkongatron

    Mr.LogicToast

    This is speaking for a combination for all of my experiences/interactions with him, spanning from a year ago to as recent as several weeks ago. Your concern is appreciated, but I am vouching based off of relevance of recentness rather than that one time he called me a doofushead 10 years ago. People can change.
  21. 1 point
    Kypari

    Mr.LogicToast

    You don't play on surf. He primarily plays on surf. Are you sure you're not just vouching off what you've seen in the past from like what, a year ago?
  22. 1 point
    Tekk

    _ymir

    Nice dude. Would love to see the tag on their name +1 A:8 M:9
  23. 1 point
    Dannypicacho

    Does anyone hink im decent?

    I'd assume it's a joke and tatost is just playing along...
  24. 1 point
  25. 1 point
    Tatost

    Does anyone hink im decent?

    that's really toxic man wtf
  26. 1 point
    Dannypicacho

    Vegans vs Furries

  27. 1 point
    Crona

    Suggestions Thread

    We should definitely add a rule where any order with an 'on go' element to it must be started with the 'on go'. Because right now, wardens can say something like "All T's take 1 step out of cell and freeze... On my go." and then kill all the people who did the order immediately.
  28. 1 point
    Genocide

    @Genocide

    You don't have a life do you?
  29. 1 point
    If you want to walk fast then walk alone and if you want to walk far then walk in group.
  30. 1 point
    virr

    Bored and annoyed

    that was quick, dont get permed next time ?
  31. 0 points
    Egossi

    Hey, so umm

  32. 0 points
    Moosty

    I'll miss you telltale games

    I'll miss you telltale games
  33. 0 points
    Vacindak

    _ymir

    COOL GUY and spy main Very fun to play with. +1 A: 8 M : 8
  34. 0 points
    Donakonda

    Weather

    My name is not Phil
  35. 0 points
    Tekk

    Mr.LogicToast

    Whilst I'm aware that Logic is an active member who definitely knows the rules, I've encountered many situations where he'd become aggressive and hostile towards other players on the server. This is not only in the past, but has been an occurrence recently, too. He's a lovely guy to me; I think he's a pretty sound dude. However, I feel as though Logic needs to improve on his overall attitude to all players, regardless of who they are. Being a staff member makes you a role model to new, old, young and regular players. Many of the players will look up to you if you're a staff member. If Logic were to improve on his attitude towards players who may not know the difference between left and right and kept his cool a bit more, I'd 100% consider a +1. However, right now I feel as though just that little extra push is needed. Remember to always keep your cool, mate. Good luck on your application, regardless. ?
  36. 0 points
    Kypari

    TF is nuclear dawn tho

    I thought you weren't going to make anymore threads
  37. 0 points
    It takes someone less than a week to get 12 hours why do apps get closed when they don't have it and are told they cannot make another one until a month later?
  38. 0 points
    SegFault

    RealWinterFrost

    Unfortunately, your membership application has been denied. You need a minimum of 12 hrs on server before joining! Feel free to apply again in a month!
  39. 0 points
    FrostyBoiGrim

    Mr.LogicToast

    +1 Logic is a really fun and responsible guy. I really like his attitude towards both staff and players. He is someone responsible and accountable. Also just to throw my opinion in on this, even if he did say that, I feel that it shouldn't affect his chances of getting staff. We have all said things we regret and I can't really think of a staff member who hasn't broken at least 1 rule. In addition, I'm almost positive that it was someone like 10toothlesswonders because he has gotten others to say the n word before as well as said it himself. This doesn't mean that toothless is a terrible person, because I believe people should have the right to say what they want to say as long as they are being honest about it (of course i still enforce this rule regardless of my opinion on the subject).
  40. 0 points
    MJP

    Views On Tarping?

    Well we know what I think about being fair (bhop)
  41. 0 points
    Genocide

    @Genocide

    Shut up. You don’t know how much I’ve been truly spammed
  42. 0 points
    Elcark

    Bored and annoyed

  43. -1 points
    Red

    Mr.LogicToast

    no more surf staff ?
  44. -1 points
    Genocide

    @Genocide

    Half of these people who are fucking @ing me don't even know what the fuck it's for, I shouldn't open up the forums and have fucking 25+ notifications from this damn post and my profile, i'm going to commit toaster bath if this doesn't stop ?
  45. -1 points
    LAN_Megalodon

    Vegans vs Furries

    Veganism is actually a pretty difficult philosophy to challenge for the average idiot, not that you have to understand any of that to be a vegan, a lot of people just do it because they like animals or whatever. I'd wager most people would agree to the sentiment that suffering should be reduced wherever possible, however most people aren't vegan, so there's some disconnect there. It's totally plausible for the average American to never eat meat again, in some cases cheaper on their budget even (given you don't live in a food desert), so the real question is why doesn't the average person? I'd argue that people think of humans as "different" or above animals and that gives them some reasoning to justify it to themselves. But in reality humans are just another species of animal, there's nothing out there that says we're "special", that no other forms of life can reach the level we have. Another reason I think is that a lot of people also think of animals as "unfeeling", like robots, but biological life. I think this is a mistaken notion, there are many documented cases of animals displaying what appears to be empathy, not only within species, but across the lines of species. Additionally most people would feel pretty queasy about eating a dog, but are fine with bacon or pork products, even though pigs are technically more intelligent animals. So ultimately, if you think suffering should be reduced wherever possible (within the realms of being able to live a healthy and comfortable life let's say), what are the reasons for remaining a carnist (eating meat)? I don't think there are any really, and you can feel free to debate me on this, but I don't think there's a consistent worldview that allows the average first world middle-class citizen to minimize suffering while eating meat. I personally don't even think suffering is reducible because merely continuing to live is in essence a selfish act. Rather I think patterns of co-operation and nonviolence are evolutionary advantages meant to give both me and my fellow humans a leg up. If the biggest threat towards my own existence is another human, then language empathy and communication are advanced ways to communicate a "cease fire" so to speak, as we both pose the biggest threat towards the other's existence. I do this not out of a wish to minimize risk for my neighbor, but as a way to minimize risk for myself, which plays into the "selfishness" I mentioned earlier. With most animals this doesn't really exist. I as a human cannot communicate this proverbial "cease fire" of sorts with a bear, as if a bear cannot interpret what I communicate, there's no guarantee of my own "selfish" gain. Therefore this argument for veganism holds no real value to me. There are other reasons to consider veganism or limiting your consumption of meat that I think hold a little more value. I would be more swayed to veganism personally from a conservation standpoint because the meat industry is not only inefficient, it is also one of the largest causes of pollution on a global scale. Additionally at the rate we continue to consume meat, it seems completely unsustainable to keep going, we'll either have to figure out several effective work-arounds or perfect and create an industry for lab meat. Food for thought.
  46. -1 points
    Yalta

    Vegans vs Furries

    This question has been lingering in my head for a while! Honestly they have all the right reasons too fight here's a list: Meat Eaters (most furries are omnivores and carnivores) vs Animal lovers sweaty people vs skinny people wool wearers vs leaf wearers defensive community vs offensive community (Furries vs Vegans) Please help me solve this very important problem that needs too be solved NOW!
  47. -1 points
    DepressedNeonNepp

    _ymir

    Are spy mains good now?
  48. -1 points
    DepressedNeonNepp

    TF is nuclear dawn tho

    Cus fuck Google
  49. -1 points
    pokechu13

    pokechu13

    In-Game Name Pokechu13 Division Team Fortress 2 Previous Member No Identity https://steamcommunity.com/id/Pokechu13 Age 21 Previously Banned No Time Active on Servers 07:54:27h Reason for Joining Well, I like to play and talk with all the user's on the [xG] Trade Gaming History tf2 server, making new friends and pretty much have fun. I doubt I'll become a member of [xG] but I'm still having fun with you guys.
  50. -2 points
    ? How is that toxic tho
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