Remove Trade Apadiel

bsor, masscc, cyberpunk, and abstract all arent even video game related. i know there are some parts in those maps that have video game related things in them, but so does apadiel with the glaceon church.

And I think all of those maps (except abstract and 1 of the cyberpunks because popularity)should be removed. We're in a spot where adding maps has gotten more and more lax overtime, and some lesser quality/non gaming maps slipped through because of lack of oversight. Us screwing up other times is a pretty weak reason to not fix this mistake.

Apadiel is inspired/based on this for people that are asking/saying it has no relation to anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyLvu81U1IA

Apadiel is inspired/based on this for people that are asking/saying it has no relation to anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyLvu81U1IA

Ah, Thanks for clearing that up. However, i still think we should get rid of it. The map its self is shit still.

Ah, Thanks for clearing that up. However, i still think we should get rid of it. The map its self is shit still.

I mean I personally like the map sometimes so I think I'm going to -1 this based off that

And I think all of those maps (except abstract and 1 of the cyberpunks because popularity)should be removed. We're in a spot where adding maps has gotten more and more lax overtime, and some lesser quality/non gaming maps slipped through because of lack of oversight. Us screwing up other times is a pretty weak reason to not fix this mistake.

MassCC is actually pretty fun sometimes. Me and @Thunder got everyone on the server playing things like sharks and minnows and whatnot with the entire server. Of course it's not gaming history related but it's pretty fun when you can organize things

the abstract mario area is still a pretty small portion of the map

but it still has a mini game and a lot of people like to hang out in there to escape the spawn camping and is still a lot about mario. It's also a secret. Same with that map that has world 1 of mario 64. Also i had no idea the map was based off a game. The map its self is incredibly poorly made.

I will say that the "It has a gaming history area" argument is a bit weaker with bsor than masscc and abstract. Both of those maps are well made and visually interesting/enjoyable to play in the non gaming areas. Bsor though is comparable with Hyrule for file size and doesn't fit anywhere close to the same level of map in the space. It has only the one section worth playing, the rest is just drab and poorly made open areas and stock textures. There is so much wasted space, and so much of the map percentage is low quality that it just seems like a step below the other maps on the server. As does apadiel obviously.

To clear up complaints, if we wanted to get rid of every "bad map" we had, we'd get rid of maps like Delphino airstrip, cyberpunk and Hotel Hell. Just because a map is bad in your eyes, does not mean others find it bad. As for Apadiel, I quite enjoyed the map which is why I had it added in the first place, one of the few maps that gives you something to do other than killing each other. If you don't like the platforming on it, I could make it easier by having @Bello or @Rejects have the map auto-set low gravity when the map starts up. Other than that, I do not want to remove the map because it's "bad" because honestly, there are worse maps on the rotation. -1

To clear up complaints, if we wanted to get rid of every "bad map" we had, we'd get rid of maps like Delphino airstrip, cyberpunk and Hotel Hell. Just because a map is bad in your eyes, does not mean others find it bad. As for Apadiel, I quite enjoyed the map which is why I had it added in the first place, one of the few maps that gives you something to do other than killing each other. If you don't like the platforming on it, I could make it easier by having @Bello or @Rejects have the map auto-set low gravity when the map starts up. Other than that, I have no plans to remove the map because it's "bad" because honestly, there are worse maps on the rotation. -1

That's why we have a voting system. The problem with having so many maps is that you become overwhelmed with the choices and that there are too many. And thus we should try down sizing it. I never understood the "more maps more variety" but the problem is that half of them are never played, some are even broken. Also, i have seen complaints about this map today and there is no reason not to have a vote on the subject. It's silly to say we aren't going to remove a map because "there are worst maps". If a majority of people want the map gone then it should be considered to be removed. You can use edventures as an example and as much as i hate this argument, it did technically have a game and it was based off the game but was removed because of it's unpopularity as well as it's other problems (such as disabling certain buttons on the map). I mean it gets to the point of when are there too many maps?

+1. It's not gaming, using the excuse that "ED EDD AND EDDY HAD A VIDEO GAMES MEANS WE CAN HAVE IT AS A MAP" is retarded.

As for the map list being over populated, people used to complain all the time that we didn't have enough maps. I personally think it's better to have more maps and not less, variety keeps things interesting. Anyone can nominate a map at any time, use nomination to your advantage if you want to play a certain map. As for broken maps, if you get me a list of maps that are legitimately broken to the point of it causing bad problems on the server, I will have those maps removed.

As for the map list being over populated, people used to complain all the time that we didn't have enough maps. I personally think it's better to have more maps and not less, variety keeps things interesting. Anyone can nominate a map at any time, use nomination to your advantage if you want to play a certain map. As for broken maps, if you get me a list of maps that are legitimately broken to the point of it causing bad problems on the server, I will have those maps removed.

i hate this argument, it did technically have a game and it was based off the game but was removed because of it's unpopularity

And? They were technically correct but that doesn't mean i change my stance on why i didn't want it on the server because as you quoted i don't think it's quite gaming but others view it differently which is why it's still argued.

people used to complain all the time that we didn't have enough maps.

But there is also a problem of having too many maps, again some not ever played and some that are partially broken.

How can you call it variety when more than half of them are never played or touched. I'm not saying remove half the list i'm saying that if there are complaints enough some should be removed that's why there are votes.

Looks like i won't change your mine. go ahead and close the thread if you want.

And? They were technically correct but that doesn't mean i change my stance on why i didn't want it on the server because as you quoted i don't think it's quite gaming but others view it differently which is why it's still argued.

 

But there is also a problem of having too many maps, again some not ever played and some that are partially broken.

 

How can you call it variety when more than half of them are never played or touched. I'm not saying remove half the list i'm saying that if there are complaints enough some should be removed that's why there are votes.

 

Looks like i won't change your mine. go ahead and close the thread if you want.

Thread is going to stay open, It is a community vote.

only played this map once, wasn't a big fan of it but I'm neutral on whether to keep it or remove it.

Not much to say that hasn't already been said, it is indeed far from a great map for many reasons (Terrible platforming, annoying as hell falling mechanic, stupid easy sniping from spawn, and just in general ugly to look at) and I see the sole redeeming factoring in it being the link provided by Sesh proving that it is indeed related to gaming history. Regardless of that singular reason, I'm gonna have to +1 this idea as it's one of the few maps I find myself, and several others, leaving the server with whenever it is played

and I see the sole redeeming factoring in it being the link provided by Sesh proving that it is indeed related to gaming history.

This brings up something ive noticed in this thread.I'm not saying anyones opinion is wrong, since this is an opinion based community poll, but I will say I see some people treating a map being gaming history related as reason enough for us to host it. And atleast in my opinion, a map being gaming related should be the bare minimum for consideration, not the standard requirement for getting through. A map can be gaming history related and still low quality.

I'm going to remain neutral on whether or not to keep it.

Only played on it twice, once today and once like 2 months ago, and haven't had any particular annoying experiences on it yet, although I see the potential for the map to become rage-quit material (platforms, snipers like me :sneaky: >:)). IDC if it's "abstract".

But really, we have other maps which are just as if not more annoying. Some are even glitched or just busted up. For example, 3D land shows a bunch of annoying shadows everywhere for me, plus a few others I've heard of the mic. I think it's just me, but I can't join the server when cyberpunk is up.

We could profit from a few staff who would be willing to take on the extra work of adding/removing/updating maps, which others have correctly pointed out we've become lazy on.