Well the time has come and I think it's finally safe to say that a group full of antagonistic hypocritical faggots might not be the one for me. Now there will be memes. And a lot of these people making memes and laughing at me are going to have a hard time washing the taste of my dick out of my mouth because they're lowlife bitch boys who don't know any better. And honestly I look forward to that. Everyone I run into in any TF2 game with the xG tag is having their voice muted because honestly being cool with the servers isn't worth dealing with a bunch of cunts projecting their own flaws on other people. And if I get BANNED from the servers, I'm going to hold that up as a motherfucking trophy for as long as I play TF2. So there's no way for you to win this. Go fuck yourselves.
"Soundboards, voice-changers and TTS are allowed. However, you may not use any of the above (or similar) excessively or with intent to ear rape to a point that may annoy other players."
My one and only suggestion for the TF2 div is to keep your staff informed. I've seen time and time again that staff members are enforcing rules that no longer exist/have never existed. Before someone asks me to provide an example- "no spoilers"- I've had one too many players talking to me about how staff members have been enforcing the no spoilers rule, that was dropped just a few weeks after the release of Endgame. It's no wonder that the players bite the hand that feeds them, especially when they feed them moderation that's even worse than the medicine your mom tries to get you to take when you're a little kid.
@Tekk I don't feel like I really need to tell you this, but as the sole higher up for TF2, you should not only look at possible applicants for higher up positions among your current staff team, but among the members as well. This isn't me saying that your current staff team don't have the ability to run the servers well- just that there are probably people better suited for higher up positions among the general populace. It doesn't hurt to keep an eye open for any individuals among our members who have some potential to make the servers more enjoyable.
Despite your constant immature responses, I have no comment about your teamspeak ban but for membership removal or ban, I will say no to both for now as what you do does not warrant it yet. Of course the internet shouldn't be a serious place and we should all have fun and not take things too seriously, but you need to also learn humility and know when to act mature, even if it's something you're not used too.
Alright I’m gonna cut the cheese here the topic of shadowers membership within the community isn’t questionable by anyone in this community. Everyone here can very easily jump on one person because the numbers stack against them. Now I know for a fact everyone in this community is guilty of something. I don’t care what it is shadower like the rest of us is another person on the “internet” if you are so bother and so triggered by one human being in a community just because he gets on your nerves you also have the option to leave because you have that choice. All memes aside all shit post aside this topic needs to be closed and it shouldn’t be serious shadower is fine in the community he stays in my discord 90% of the time anyway. A lot of the old staff members and even the current tf2 division leader stays in my discord. Believe it or not folks xG is a toxic wasteland and you don’t have to stay I have made a return to the forums after seeing the hate that one man has been able to attract and quite honestly I’m a little jealous. This topic shouldn’t be questioned close the application virr it was a joke between egossi and shadower that egossi told shadower he was gonna post. It’s gotten this entire community up in arms to either defend or destroy shadower lol it’s silly. Seriously tho? This is what you guys waste your time on attempting to get one man absolutely thrown out of the community cause he throws you hate mail? Throw it back? Don’t be a bitch don’t take any shit. Shadower can stand for himself and will throw shade back if you do it he’s not a bad guy this community has just fallen to shambles ever since the people that left when I originally joined. Hell its the reason I stopped being a staff I couldn’t stand the stupidness any longer that’s why merc and lik202 left from staff positions as well we don’t mind the community but it’s big deals over little shit hat no one really gives a shit about. End of story. Close the protest. No reason for this to go on
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This isn't just about him saying "dead division" everyday. We've said this multiple times already and if it were for just that, there would be more so many more people being banned and stripped of membership.
84 comms bans. EIGHTY FOUR over the past few years. I'm aware of ban decay, furthermore I'm aware that a lot of these were meme bans or by himself. But that's at least 30 gag/mutes, which is ridiculous.
He's rude, disrespectful and doesn't care for the community nor its members. That is made evident no matter where you go, particularly in recent events, how he took the ban protest. Someone like this shouldn't be allowed to be here, let alone be a member.
+1 for removal of membership and ban
-1 You guys are taking this shit way too far. If you're going to kick him out for just telling jokes and saying the TF2 division is dead, then we as a clan have truly hit rock bottom. He hasn't done anything so egregious that he needs to be kicked out.
I got kicked out for harassing someone when they leaked logs from private discords and steam chats. Seg got kicked out for cheating. Nights got kicked out for racism and extreme disrespect. Do you guys actually think that his lame jokes are nearly as bad as any of these scenarios? You guys are overreacting way too much. Kicking someone out of the clan is not easy, there are lines that people have to cross and shadower isn't even halfway there.
+1. Even on the post where someone is saying that he shouldn't be a member of xG, he still shows no signs that he cares about this community in any way. I'd have more to say, but really, everything @Egossi is perfect.
Gonna object your comment @Chrono, just because someone else was warned does not mean @LemonVolt does not deserve a warning, especially if he was not there for the warning issued onto Red himself.
On top of this, this is one of the few ban protests where I truly feel he understood the ramifications of his objects, and does find what he himself did was stupid.
I'm gonna go ahead and unban, he was already punished for a few weeks, he knows not to do it again, as is the point of our non-perm bans.
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I disagree, plenty of people enjoy RTD, just because you personally don't enjoy it does not mean that others do not. If they didn't, they wouldn't be using it non-stop.
I have made this before I will do it again, random crits are not a requirement on surf. They just ruin the fun of the server and should be disabled, if we have random crits removed on every other server, why not this server? If we remove random crits on this server I believe that it will make everyone who regularly plays on this server much more happy, my main point being the negativity bias. If you get a random crit, wow I got lucky and killed three guys out of luck, cool. That is a positive experience however that experience disappears in mere moments, however the negative experience, aka the three people on the other side of the crit got the negative experience, and those experiences last significantly longer and they sure as hell won't be forgotten, thus in conclusion it would be better to completely remove random crits from surf.
I realize you crashed my dreams, even we never met, but, may I have your cellphone number so we can talk about your social life and we can talk about things, and you should join the cs:go division and if you play TF2, I will give you a freedom ticket (free pass of stop being a damn furry). And we can bee ? cool buds and if you are reading this hmmmm. (Maybe I’m writing for nothing), you should just play csgo and be apart of our jb community and we can tease all of the people. And it will just be, me and you against the world.
I've not made any sprays whatsoever before. The most I've done was load up a png, I've drawn many years ago.
But I'm pretty savvy with animations and that kind of stuff.
I'm confident, I could make just about anything. Any artstyle.
But when it comes to animations, I'm more versed with motion tweens and effects than with classical animations drawn frame by frame. (Honestly just never tried anything complex, so I'm not going to advertise it.)
The point of this all was not to advertise my art, but to try something new and give people the opportunity to get something custom.
Maybe that was a stupid move on my side. Who would take this offer, if they don't know my skill?
I thought, giving it out for free was reason enough.
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Also, if noone looks at sprays... Why is there even a whole topic on here for sprays?
What is below this paragraph states how I personally feel about the state of the servers and the TF2 division as a whole right now. No other person had any part in this, so if anyone is to be questioned then that person is me. I don’t mean this thread to attack anyone, but its important it gets out there one way or another. I may be being completely irrational with this post, but this is several years worth of frustrations summed up into a single thread, so I apologize in advance.
If you are new here, I'm a previous Division Leader, I've been staff several times, and am currently an admin of the Team Fortress 2 servers.
Take this thread as you will.
Drama
Between several servers, different discords, groups, there has been on common theme between all of them. That theme, is the absolute inability of people to get along with other people that have opposing views, creating drama. There are times that a simple discussion turns into an absolute shitfest for no reason at all, and fuel must be added to the fire no matter what in order to fit each person's own narrative. There are also times when people are constantly mocked on the servers for one reason or another, and when they ask the person who is doing it to the stop the response is usually “get over it” or “just local mute them”. How is that a solution we should be enforcing at all? If people are mocking someone just to annoy them, or get a reaction, or whatever other reason, it is harassment, and should be handled as such. When things are agreed upon and finished, it doesn’t come lightly, it comes when one person steps in and says let's get this done with, almost as if the two opposing parties are unable to even communicate without being at each others throats, let alone negotiate, unless a third party steps in. It’s time to brighten up and get along with each other.
You may be asking, “why is this a problem?” Or you may be rolling your eyes at this point, well I'm directing this at everyone. With the rate of how things are going, these servers we love to play on could very well be dead sooner than any of us think if something doesn’t change. If that doesn’t concern you can you really call yourself a community member? It's all of our jobs to not only maintain the servers, and not only to play on the servers, but the most important job of all of us, is to have fun playing on the servers, not only for ourselves but for others. We all represent xG, even if you aren’t a part of the clan, when you are playing on the servers, talking on the forums, or in the discord, you are representing xG and who we are as a clan. Do we really want drama to be the thing that defines us when people look at the clan? Do we really want people to walk away because of it? I know I don't, and I sure hope you don’t either. It doesn’t matter if “it's just online”, everyone here is a real person, with feelings of their own, we aren't built the same, and we weren't built to handle emotions the same as the next person. If someone has a problem with how you act towards them, or how you treat them, then it's time to lighten up and be considerate for other people's feelings. As is such with the Castroy situation, he is repeatedly mocked with a phrase that is very well known to hurt him, but it is continued anyways because those doing it like seeing the reaction, or seeing that it annoys him.
This can be solved with one word.
Respect.
Another issue I'd like to bring up, is how things are handled in the division. On several occasions I've seen people say “well not many people are complaining about it so it's not that big of a problem”. I firmly believe that having that kind of mindset will drag the division down, we should not be waiting for people to complain to get things fixed, or removed, or added, etc. Our priority should be looking at the issue that is at hand, even if it was mentioned by a single person, and seeing what we can do about it. Fix the issue before it becomes a problem, don't wait until the boat has already sank. On the surf server, there is a well known issue with the checkpoint saver plugin, where it resets your saved position with no warning. I tried several times as a DL to get it fixed to no avail. That being said, I saw someone say that their checkpoint got reset, I didn’t see their name but a few times beforehand but I could see they were genuinely disappointed. The only solution that was offered was to “jiggle your mouse around a bit and test before you walk away”, which is all fine and dandy, except for the fact that simply, they shouldn't HAVE to. We do things to make the experience more enjoyable for all players, if a new player joined and saw that their progress was reset for no reason they'd probably think otherwise and not feel too good about the server at that point. After I saw that, I took it upon myself to finally sit down and fix the plugin once and for all, I didn't do it for myself, or for the higher ups, I did it for HIM, the one who brought it up. That's where the issue of “waiting until it becomes a problem” comes into play. Nobody else thought it was a problem, even the higherup I sent it to( @SegFault ) so he could add it to the server, but when it's affecting our players, at that point it IS A PROBLEM, whether it is widespread or not. I believe this can be attributed to one word:
Motivation.
Something I feel several of our higher ups are lacking, or at least a good portion of the time, especially when it comes to working on the servers. As a DL your job is the same as everyone else, but you have the responsibility to actually add to the servers and fix what's wrong. I'm not saying @mrnutty12 and @SegFault don’t do anything, but it feels like when they can't figure something out they just give up and wait until someone else( @Lithium ) figures it out. In my eyes this shows a complete and utter lack of motivation, and unwillingness to work. You don't have to be working on the servers at all times, but if you are unwilling to dedicate time to it then why are you in such a position? An example of this is with @mrnutty12. I won’t lie and say I don't get frustrated with you when it comes to server work, because I do. And I won't lie and say I'm always nice when I bring it up to you, because I'm not. But when you threaten to step down everytime I DO bring it up to you what does that say? It shows me personally you're unwilling to take criticism for your actions. You have told me yourself that people think you're lazy, and you think you're useless, but you don't try to change. How can you sit there and guilt yourself when there's no attempt being made. I don’t do it to try and hurt you, or push you away, I tell you how it is because it should be a red flag that clearly something is wrong, and that it should change. Another example: Population events quickly went from several times a week to sometimes not even happening once a week, whether that be from lack of players, or those who set them up just not wanting to do them. This issue is not only directed at the higher ups, it could be directed at the division as a whole. To me it feels like many people just don't care what happens anymore, as long as x server has players on then they’re happy, those servers normally being surf or tgh. It's almost as if some people would rather see the server they like completely filled and the other server completely dead, that doesn't sound like a healthy community or playerbase if you ask me.
Management
Management wise, I don't think anyone could ask for a better staff team, but like all teams, we have our faults.
Disagreements on rule matter
Many times I have seen staff enforce a rule in wildly different ways than the next staff, which if it gets the job done is fine, but not when its creating a false idea of what they can and can not do. There have also been times that I've seen rules enforced that I've never even seen or heard of. Obviously we will never all enforce things exactly the same, but there should be more efforts to try. This comes down to one thing, consistency.
Arguing in the servers, or discord
Disagreeing with each other is a given, it's not that big of a deal, but how it is handled is absolutely a problem. A good example of this would be of what I saw last night. I won't give any names in order to provide anonymity but basically, there were two sides. One side said he or she did this on the server and then put the blame on someone else because of x reason, and the other side disagreed and said the person that was blamed was the one who actually stated the issue on the server. Keep in mind, there were witnesses on both sides that had different stories, and there was no solid evidence of either stories. Both sides were at each others neck for over half an hour, over something that couldn’t lead anywhere, and then it was attributed to them “trolling” or being “passive aggressive”. These weren't just people that had just joined the server either, these were including staff members, higher ups as well. Quite frankly it's sad to see it happening.
Rules
It's no secret many people think we are too strict on rules. While I think rules are important to have, at a certain point it needs to come down to staff discretion. In order to do that though we'd need something I mentioned earlier, consistency. As it is right now, I think all of our rules are fair, and they make sense, BUT the matter is, is that we have too many. I understand the want for rules to be specific, and I also understand the rules to be generalize, it should be somewhere in between. Have some trust in our staff and give the players some freedom. We can still enforce the rules, but we don't need to have a 2 page long list of rules, either.
Conclusion
I won’t sit here and put the blame for what's happening on one person, because what's happening is all of our faults, and that means the only way things will change is if everyone works together. We are all told that the servers losing players can be attributed to “the game dying”, that’s not a good reason. If anything, that tells me we need to push harder than before to get our servers back to where they should be. There are rumors that are thrown around on the daily of “they said this” or “they did that”, and there are constant disagreements within our own staff team, and times when staff are at each other's throats while on the servers. There are times when the entire server is riled up because of situations like this. How many people have to leave before something changes? I didn't plan on coming back so soon originally even considering the irl information I learned, but I also didn’t plan on never coming back. I came back because I saw what was happening, and I care for this clan more than damn near anything, and I'm not willing to let this continue without at least trying to get it fixed, it's time for people to take off this mask as if everything is fine in the community and buckle up and get this figured out. If you disagree with me, then feel free, if you agree with me then feel free; but no matter who you are, it's time for things to change around here. We are supposed to be a community, a community traditionally is a group of people who share common interests, and goals. What kind of community are we when we aren’t acting like one.
