ThunderLimes

Elcark, you need to relax, you go on about holding staff to a high standard but losing your cool isn't exactly going to prove a good point if you can't keep yourself calm about this all.

I don't want to be the one to stir up a storm, but could you just for once think before your actions? You're taking this out of context for no reason at all and all you're doing is affecting Sesh's application by making both him and yourself look bad. Anyways, you've been a real pain in the ass for a lot of people a couple months ago, but I've seen the new leafed that you've turned over and I think so far that you've done a pretty good job improving yourself. In my opinion I think it's a little too early to apply but I can definitely see you doing great as staff again, since you're active and I know that you can be a really nice and friendly person when you want to. So for now I'm going to stay neutral. Good luck on the application!

I don't think it is quite entirely fair to -1 someone based on just one period of time either, the problem is that I have next to no experience with Sesh and will vote currently off of what I do know.
 
Sesh, even back when we were both DM together I wouldn't say that more than a dozen words at most were exchanged between us, and blame for us not talking could be given either way as quite obviously neither of us tried much to reach out. However I have nothing much else to base my judgement of you from other than that streak of poor behavior as otherwise you have never really "stood out" to me as a person. I would love to get to know you and have what I think be proven wrong, though as it stands I cannot in good conscience give you anything other than a -1 at least until I have enough personal experience with you to contradict what I have seen.
 
As for something to work towards, I would recommend you go out and try to be more sociable on the servers in general.

leaving i guess lol
later FAAAAM

Two areas of the map are related to gaming, a really small Minecraft part, and a Mario Kart area.

I don't necessarily understand how this is a problem, there are plenty of maps with the spawns "right next to eachother"

Abusing this room is already against the rules, as it allows normal users to exploit the map in a way that is not intended for them.

@Aegean got specific permission from the MassCC owner to use the MassCC map, as long as it is an older version of the map and not their current version.

No one wins in this thread. sigh

guess you guys can have the pride for raiding our useless base (y) good job : )
Money isn't really worth shit in factions.
Still don't know why you took this to the forums. Maybe it is because you enjoy trying to start shit with others? You have really gotten us good, friend!

@ThunderLimes you're not even member anymore, why are you here, you do nothing on the forums but post low quality bait and I know you've been warned a few times because of it. You left because starting of shit and now you're just back here to start shit by the looks of it. Just fuck off already.

make that gamers*

This is a hard one. Me and you have been pretty good friends at points and then basically enemies at other points. You have attempted to turn my friends against me and caused them and myself to go through a lot of trouble and pain because of something that should have been us ignoring each other, but you maliciously went out of your way to practically ruin my life, which was not fun. You have also caused a lot of trouble for not only myself, but multiple other people and the community itself.
On the contrary, you seem to have improved yourself and stopped talking shit on servers (unsure about private discord). I hope this keeps up but for now I'm going to have to stay neutral because of all of the trouble you have caused.
Good luck on your application (y)

+1 very friendly old timer who has previous staff experience. Nice to see you back ☺

-1 to remove masscc (Refer to og Thunder)
+1 to remove Thunderlimes

hi! apparently you care, enough to reply to a several month old thread! thanks!

shouldnt have edited that, how it looked before made it much better!
can i revert pls

So slaying someone for an obscure rule, not telling them what they did wrong when they asked, then banning them for a month after they called me stupid is not the right thing to do? Oh, okay.
 

This stems from the 2 disputes that happened last week from the TF2 community but is still a good piece of discussion even by itself.
 
First of all, our servers are meant to be a place for everyone in our community and people who visit our servers to have fun. I'm going to try to break down what we used to do and what I feel is sometimes not reflected in our community anymore.
 
Whenever we were on CSS, CS:GO or TF2, (even before I was Co-leader) issues obviously occurred. Sometimes we had a free-killer on the server, or a guard + prisoner arguing etc. The role of the staff should be right away to fix the problem WHILE keeping the servers interests in mind.
 
If someone got freekilled, we would also message them after slaying; if we know it was a freekill (either via voice, all chat, or pm)
"Hey man, you got slayed cuz you freekilled X during this game. If you get too close to them, they are allowed to knife since you are baiting, so you freekilled. You're not getting banned, just wanted to let you know to be careful and read the rules"
 
This lets you not only resolve the problem and let the server know you are doing right by punishing them, but the person who broke the rules understands exactly what happens, and lets them have another go at our server without feeling alienated.
 
There are PLENTY of situations that you (as staff) are not there for, but still need to resolve to help out the server. You should always be willing to communicate with BOTH parties, and get a good compromise or to punish them fairly if you don't feel there's anything more you can do to resolve this in an easy manner. Ask them one at a time what the issue is, gag/mute one of them if they aren't letting the other talk, after hearing both their stories, ask witnesses or look at chat logs and see what's going on.
 
The whole point of us punishing a person in our servers (Not perm punishments) is for the SOLE reason that we want to reform them. We don't week ban people first offense, just so they never come back again. That's not the point of our mutes,gags,bans. It's to teach people that their (repeated) offenses aren't okay here, and that we want everyone to enjoy their time here.
 
TL;DR for people who want a simple explanation, staff are not ban-bots programmed to ban anyone and everyone out of line, it's to fix any issues that people are having, and even if someone has previous offenses, if you can resolve a problem without banning, and the server is happy, then you are doing the right thing. You are there to ensure people (including you) have fun in our servers, and that no one is trying to ruin it for others.

Ban request rejected, no action will be taken on user.
 
Note: Zack will not be given a ban at this time, and instead will receive a direct warning for his behavior on the server and that it will result in an immediate ban should it occur again in the future.
 
~closed

So Zack was being toxic, Sylux gave it right back to Zack and got hit with a month-long ban, while Zack just got a slap on the wrist because it was his "first offense."
 
 
What is xG coming to?

First point still applies then. He's still been a known issue on the server for some time now and he eventually got banned for it and the last ban was a day.

It should stay at a week. His last ban was a day and he clearly broke the rules. Plus it makes for a lot simpler in the long run because if staff see that he was unbanned (as well as new staff) then they might think this ban his invalid so they ban them for a week again.

he so uhh. yeah. I know I just got back but just wanted to bump this. Yes I'm still interested in becoming mod. I know I just got back but I still want this thread out there.

Well said. My thoughts, quick and compressed: Was the ban justified?
Not really. Where do I start? If I recall correctly, we do a day -> a week -> a month. Were these steps followed? I don't think so. All bans that I am seeing are from about about a year ago (let's not take the ones for calladmin abuse into consideration, as that's a whole different topic). So we have one ban from 10-30-15 for disrespect. There is also the one from early this year which seems to be due to disrespect and calladmin abuse as well, though I don't know what exactly got him banned at the end. Only @Shadower may now. While I would rather give Sylux the benefit of the doubt, let's just assume it was for the same exact reason as yesterday - unless you want to take REALLY old bans into consideration, then there is no way a one month ban would be justified, as there was no recent week ban.
If you want to justify a month ban, then in my personal opinion using a week ban from 08-21-15 is a little weak, as people change during two whole years. If you think that he should have gotten a week earlier, that is fine but matter of fact, he hasn't and Sylux himself definitely cannot be held accountable for that. I'm also curious as to why Zac "only" got muted while Sylux was banned. Zac does not seem to be banned, however. Why is Sylux getting a ban and Zac just an extended mute? As far as I can tell, both are a part of the problem.
Is Sylux in the right here?
Definitely not. The fact that he made binds to specifically annoy that Zac guy is wrong and should not be condoned either. Comments like "zack if you pay me 20 keys i can teach you basic death match" are not helping Sylux's case either. I agree that Zac is definitely not in the right either, but it's just unnecessary on both sides. Someone should have tried to defuse the situation.
What should be done?
First things first I want to make it very clear that I am not speaking on behalf of anyone else. This is my own opinion and you can disagree with me all you want, but don't blame it on others if you do.
I think Sylux's ban should be reduced. I am curently not sure whether we should make it a day (or just unban him by the time this thread is closed) or a week. Looking at his past history, I can understand how some people want a longer ban, but I am not sure if a ban from 11 months ago that was not merely for disrespect is much of a reason to make it a week. This is something that higher ups need to discuss privately before coming to a conclusion.
However, a month is in my opinion too long. Zac on the other hand should either receive a day ban or a very clear warning.
And I want to shoutout @ThunderLimes for making quite useful posts. Good job (y).

For what feels like the millionth time, I am going to have to disagree with the Weasley twins here
+1 for removal/shorten of the ban
+1 to ban Zack for the same time
To avoid saying the exact same thing in this thread for the hundredth fucking time I'm just gonna give the gist of it. Sylux argued and was perhaps a little toxic, but his last bans were last year.
Zack is constantly being a salty man child in-game whining when things don't go his way and starts pointless arguments with everyone. How has this guy not been banned before????? Sometimes I wonder how well the staff team is holding back bias ?

And that's all you needed to say.

Don't put this on me when you literally just said

That literally makes no sense at all. I'm also in favor of Sylux being banned for at least a week, preferably a month since his last ban was not even a year ago.

I'm not ignoring anything. You clearly said remove/shorten and you just said that you didn't.
 
There's no need for stupid shit like this. You said you were in favor of removing it then you said you aren't. That's fine.