Remove Cyberpunk 2_a for Nudity/not being PG-13

[Krampus 42]

So we're really just going to edit the map without the dudes permission? Alright. I have no idea why this thread was made in the first place. The picture is hardly worth anything to throw a fit over and the fact we are now deciding to tarnish a dudes map without his permission, With our own logo no less is so scummy. Seriously it's just a nude woman made from lines. So fucking silly

We really do need to get permission first to change it like we do with the deathrun maps which bone always does, but this picture may just be made of lines but so are porn sprays which are banned, so why would this get an exception? Also I'm pretty sure that elcarks post was just a joke to put the censored xG pic as a replacement.

[Bone 364]

So we're really just going to edit the map without the dudes permission? Alright. I have no idea why this thread was made in the first place. The picture is hardly worth anything to throw a fit over and the fact we are now deciding to tarnish a dudes map without his permission, With our own logo no less is so scummy. Seriously it's just a nude woman made from lines. So fucking silly.

 

Yup. Within the mapping community it's fairly frowned upon changing things without permission. Every now and then a mapper outright says they don't care, but it's rare.

 

If you guys give me time, I can ask first. If he tells me no, then someone else will have to do it, since I'll honor their request.

 

Obviously, no xG logo unless one of us in xG actually made the map, cause then it looks like we're taking credit for it.

[Vector 138]

but this picture may just be made of lines but so are porn sprays which are banned, so why would this get an exception?

There is a major difference that's already been talked about to death between art and porn. I cannot for the life of me understand how you guys are comparing this picture to say something like actual sex or other creepy shit you see on objectors or sprays. There was also a clear difference between this picture that was drawn to those like abstract who had straight up Pokemon porn. @virr And the higher ups already talked about this and concluded that it was fine so I'm not sure why we need to edit this when the higher ups already agreed to something that wasn't even that long ago.

[virr 808]

Since i was mentioned, i guess I'll chime in with my opinion on the matter.

 

Yes, we generally don't allow nudity on our servers, but there is a line in which that nudity can be expressed in an artistic way. Now, where that line is i believe is different from person to person, as seen in this thread. Sweden and europe in general is way more liberal in that sense, and we usually don't blur out naked parts of bodies on tv, for example.

 

As @Vector just mentioned, there is a big difference between art that is intentionally made to be erotic, and art that uses the human body for its aesthetics.

This piece is obviously meant to be artistic instead of sexual in any way, it just happens to portray a naked woman. And i think that's fine. I've never been bothered by it while playing, it fits the map theme pretty well and doesn't stick out like a sore thumb (i've actually barely even noticed it while playing).

 

@Rhododendron @Aegean i would advice us to let the poll run out and then make our decision on what the community wants. After all, they are the ones who will be affected by it.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Guest (see edit history)

[Sylux 31]

replace it with this

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because this is a quality meme

 

all with me say "aye"

If it's ok with the map dev, I can replace it with this.

[LAN_Megalodon 195]

Hey, as I explained before, I'm all for leaving the thing be,

 

It's just that if we that if everyone else reaches the consensus that we have to change it for whatever reason...

 

 

...you know what I think we should replace it with

[realBelloWaldi 1245]

Yeah I would prefer this so we don't have to remove the map completely. I could do it if nobody else wants to.

Honestly, why can't we just keep it? It's not sexualized whatsoever and if someone gets seriously upset by this then we can't help them.

We can have exceptions every once in a while if all TF2 higher ups agree. Additionally, given what @Vector said I see no point in removing or even trying to edit the map.

[Moosty 148]

Honestly, why can't we just keep it? It's not sexualized whatsoever and if someone gets seriously upset by this then we can't help them.

We can have exceptions every once in a while if all TF2 higher ups agree. Additionally, given what @Vector said I see no point in removing or even trying to edit the map.

People seem to think I'm upset or offended by this, I'm not, and I don't think it's sexual. My issue was that nothing in our rules said "non sexual nudity can be allowed" or "if it's just lines it's fine" It's confusing to new players who get spawned in front of it while the motd contradicts what they're seeing. If we allow exceptions at higher up discretion that's fine, I'd just like to see it written down somewhere. Even a catch all "higher ups can allow exceptions if a consensus is reached" above or below ALL of our rules.

[hongkongatron 384]

It was a little hard for me to tell if this thread was actually serious because of the removal reason in question.

The "pornography" is literally just an artistic sketch, the maker of the map is an artist and dumped a lot of their art on the map, that just happened to be one of them.

-1 for the thread right now because this is the hotelhell thread all over again.

[TBOHB 74]

Yeah at this point im going to -1 for removal. Its not pornography really. It is just a little sketch the map maker put in and we shouldn't have to replace it because 2 or 3 people get super fricking offended by it. And as @Bello said, if someone doesn't like it then oh well we can't help them.

[Vector 138]

People seem to think I'm upset or offended by this, I'm not, and I don't think it's sexual. My issue was that nothing in our rules said "non sexual nudity can be allowed" or "if it's just lines it's fine" It's confusing to new players who get spawned in front of it while the motd contradicts what they're seeing. If we allow exceptions at higher up discretion that's fine, I'd just like to see it written down somewhere. Even a catch all "higher ups can allow exceptions if a consensus is reached" above or below ALL of our rules.

In the months the map has been on the server maybe once or twice question the drawing and you know what happened? when we answered that it was artistic and nothing about it was inherently sexual. Their response? "Ohhhh okay" I mean I don't see how it's so hard to just tell them and they eventually understand it. We don't need to keep getting more and more and more specific with rules when you can quite honestly just tell them the opinion of the upperstaff and use discretion. This is seriously a non issue.