Liam

I'll start off by saying this is a formal resignation. I wont be "hanging around" or "stopping by the servers."
Im done with the bullshit half this clan puts out on a daily routine. The leader couldnt give 2 fucks about his communities opinion and it gets worse every day, and until today, I didnt know why.
I devote basically all my free time to improving and fixing up GMod and what I get in return is nonstop bullshit about how nothing is the way they like it. News fucking flash, I realize that the server is a work in progress, if you want to help, do something instead of bitching.
So today I realized it, he doesnt care cause you take all this shit he does for you for granted. The community shits all over him and my guess is hes learned to ignore your constant bitching.
Then youve got the fucking pretentious morons who act professional and above everyone when they feel like it, and when they fuck up and face the rules, exceptions are given to them. If theyre liked by anyone with power, they get a fucking free pass.
Basically ive realized what xG has become and I'm not looking forward to representing people like this anymore.
Remove me from server box, change the rcon, do everything.
I'm not coming back, and for the record, im not leaving for GG or any stupid childish bullshit charrax has come up with. I doubt ill even join any clan, because when you get down to it, theyre all the same.
Some things I have to say to people.
@@Chrono I'd say youre pathetic and a hypocrite for reasons I dont care to put down.
@autumn while you may piss me the fuck off, that doesnt change the success you have with xG. No matter what I think of you, youre the one with a huge following and popular servers. Good luck.
@@Warriorsfury I dont even have anything to say to you, I have just never liked you.
@@Forest @@DMTwired @@Duckii @@DeathGod @@MuffinMonster You guys somehow kept me here. Love to all of you.
 
Dont give a fuck how much I'm ridiculed or if I'm banned or whatever my departure may invoke. I just want nothing to do with this bullshit any longer.
Adios, xenogamers.

Late spring break next week, so vacation.
My balls will be pretty inactive so dont be like "da fuq where is tht fgt sham jew nigger hes inctive deny tht ho"
 
Hoping to be a part of the community again when I get back:3
 
Dont get DDoS' d,
-Shammeh

Hey guys. I might be inactive due to tornadoes and severe storms. My power is out and stuff. Hopefully see you soon. Btw there is already a reported tornado that touched down.

The fall in population since August is easily explainable: August was when all the YouTubers started playing TTT and it was discovered by many. So people played it. Maybe it wasn't for them, so they quit. Plus the student argument comes in again.

Not sure how you edit a post but that one was a fail so swag
 
Also I'm going to end my part of the argument here by saying that there shouldnt be a demotion at all, Brian was banned for his doings and thats that.
 
If he does it again just ban him again.
 
#yolo

Hah, this is funny because you were kicked. Then Derp was IP Banned and couldn't come back on. Punishment was dealt and you felt the need to get pissed of and enact revenge for it.
 

 
You assume I am just regularly inactive. I was out of town last week, and I had end of cardmarking tests the week before that. You've just come across an actual exception to the fact I am on quite a bit.
 
 

 
I don't think you understand how your own actions are understood. Or you simply don't understand what an insult is. What I am saying is your evidence doesn't make sense. You put up graphs of populations over the last year and said "Its Charrax's fault".
 
 

 
Bullshit. It was a offensive and you know it was offensive.
 
Edit: I'm not here to have a pissing contest with you Silence. I came here to say what I have to say and to defend myself/Charrax when needed. Now we can go back and forth endlessly or we can make this constructive and you can give some advice on how I should be trying to keep the server populated instead of calling me socially-inept and typing in caps out of frustration.
 
Edit to the edit: I can get a server up and I can tell you how I can get the servers population going, i've done it before and we in the Gmod division know how. However, if I'm wrong and there is a different way, please enlighten me. I'm not here to compete I'm here to help.

You're attributing Charrax as the problem here. I don't understand how he is the problem when it comes to popularity. We know how to get the server going. We just don't have the staff to maintain the server population twenty-four seven. Plus, it doesn't help when we're trying to get the servers going and things like Brians killing or hell, even your prop killing/rdm fest the other day that effectively killed the population of DarkRP. So if you want to hold Charrax responsible for that kind of behavior then I do not know how I can argue with you on that. So go ahead and mock me like you've done in the post above, go ahead and give yourself that pat on your own back. You act like my comment is ridiculous when Charrax actually does maintain the server, he keeps it running and tries to fix errors. Its just the staff we have (and the lack thereof) struggle to keep the servers up because we all have our own lives and our own agendas outside of this. Now I don't know what you do for a living Silence but I don't have all day to sit at home and try and keep servers filled and going, and neither does Derp (who you seem to have a problem with, even though he is one of the best staff we have) or DrPepper, or DMT, or Vegalyp, or Pooperism, or Charrax, or any other Staff member in the Gmod division.
 
Edit: And yes I see that there is a problem with population, its not increasing when it should and the Gmod servers are not as active as they can be, but you act like we don't recognize that and aren't trying to do things to help improve the quality of the servers.

+1 For demotion:
 
Why?
 
The way he acts doesn't seem like the correct way to act as a Co-Leader. A lot of you are saying that this is a "one time" thing (even though you're all being provided with two situations where Brian has upset somebody). My question is, is a one time action like this permissible? I would think a Co-Leader should be someone who abides by the rules and sticks to them in all situations. They are people who have an incredible amount of authority and with that incredible amount of authority they have a lot of people who are behind them. Brian has shown he will break rules and RDM (freekill if that's the lingo for CSS), more importantly that he thinks its okay.
 

 
You guys all take aim at Charrax and that he has a problem with Brian. Which is true. However, that doesn't void the fact that Brian didn't act like a Co-Leader in this situation. Now I get the fact everyone here seems to hate each other. Which is, in my opinion, maybe the most idiotic part of all of this. These threads are about abuse and how to handle them. The evidence that Charrax has collected is immediately dismissed as biased and well in Warriors way of putting it "stupid". Bias works on both sides here, obviously nobody wants to acknowledge each other on any level and everyone wants to carry on like nothing happened.
 

 
I'm all for a fun community, but this isn't fun at all. This is funny to some and irritating to others. Its just where the power falls what dictates what is fun and what is abuse. Now I don't expect Brian to be demoted because of this thread mostly because of the refusal to even consider that any problem that is existent. (Yes Warriors, if you are continuing reading this post this the problem I am talking about). Partly because this is only evidence to two minimal instances of where Brian has done something wrong. There is an inflation of damage done on Charrax's side and a denial on the other side of anything being done wrong at all.
 
-1 for removal of membership:
 
Brian just seems out of place in his position, not a terrible character all around (which is where we have this fight coming from. This seemingly Team Charrax vs Team Brian). Now I don't want to see Brian given the boot out of xG, that would be ridiculous punishment that is completely out of line.
 
On a side note: How we all seem to deal with these threads is ridiculous. Why do we have such a divided community? Why do we sit in Teamspeak channels and talk down other Div Leaders, Co-Leaders, Div Managers, and any other person in the xG community. Was there ever a pleasant mesh of people to begin with or did everyone just hate each other right off the bat? Now I'm not incredibly new to this community but I'm new enough to not know why everyone treats each other this way. Not to long ago we faced what was supposedly the "end of xG" or rather the bandwagon of players who left the community to go to some other community that the name escapes me. Doesn't everyone think its time to stop this bullshit? I took this position as Div Manager for Gmod hoping to mend the wounds between this division and the other divisions. Its been two days and I've realized that there are not wounds here. There are mortal gashes in the fiber of xG that are very slowly grinding everyone to a bureaucratic gridlock. All I ask is for everyone to take a step back and realize what they came here to do in the first place. Play, have fun, and enjoy the people around them.

The rules do state that you can't mass rdm though, so what the hell kind of argument is that?

I think people don't get that we use the private admin room for doing admin stuff privately. We can't go into the community rooms and say the logs out loud because then people would ghost and shit.

You're saying that just because it happens a lot makes it justifiable?
Terrorism happens a lot. Same with rape.
>nicetrybro

The thing is that Brian did not need to be forcing himself in to the Gmod admin channel, he has no powers on Gmod and he doesn't understand the rules for our div (At least that is what he showed on DarkRP). Now with him rdming, that shows he either doesn't understand the rules, or he knows the rules and just wants to break them (I don't know which one is worst). When an admin or someone else tells you not to do something then you go to do that thing or do something just as bad/worst, then that needs to be dealt with. A Permaban would usually do in these cases, but the thing is Brian is a Co-leader the admins shouldn't have to ban him. So that's why we are dealing with this type of thing right now.
 
I have an idea, how about Brian go onto the Minecraft servers and grief everyones house. How about he let him go onto Jailbreak call warden and then kill everyone inside cells and then call freeday for any survivors in vents. I would have a good laugh and as long as I and a few others didn't have a problem with it, than breakin the rules is A-OK.

Well at this point I feel like I'm just pouring water on the already extinguished fire, I'd like to get my two cents in.
 
Xemnas: First off. I'm disappointed. I liked you. I always did. I can honestly say I would have never expected this. While others seem to enjoy putting out their metaphorical cigarettes in your metaphorical wounds I would like you to know I am sad to see you leave, especially on a note like this. However, there are criticisms due here that I feel you deserve to hear. Seeing as though the idea of punishment being applied where it is due is a fresh topic among everyone, I'd like to make this a good example.

You blatantly lied about all of our opinions. You say people like Derp, DrPepper, Vegalyp, are all looking at leaving. People who, in relation to the xG community, are all incredibly interested in remaining in it. You state there is a consensus among the Garrys Mod Division about Charrax being impeached of his position of Div Leader but instead of that you go for xG regicide against him. Attempting to get him thrown out of the community altogether. What does that aim to accomplish? You cripple the community you're trying to protect by removing the one person who knows what he's doing and is working hard to make everything run as smoothly as possible. Xemnas had you even asked Charrax to reserve his comments, to act kindly towards you? Or have you just decided this is it and that Charrax deserves this punishment for your own inaction to deal with it? Hell, had you have come to me at any point with concerns over Charrax's actions and his behaviors I would probably have been the most sympathetic and helpful to you. You can ask Charrax, me and him have had issues in the past, and they were resolved by communication, not abrupt and ignorant calls of punishment.
 
You mention people such as Bane, Sousei, and Gavin. These people are the people I related to as "xG trash" (well not actually mentioned, but those were the people I was talking about + more) back in Tariks unban request. You go to these people as your evidence? As your source of support? Did you think that through? I can honestly laugh at this one. You picked the people who are destructive to the server, if they left it would be constructive. I've said this what? Three times now, that certain people aren't conducive to the server. Congratulations on picking the least likely people to support you with actual reasons on why Charrax should be removed.
 
In conclusion, you have just shown that you overreacted and couldn't deal with whatever Charrax was saying to you or how he has been treating you. You call for some ludicrous actions and attribute your feelings on to all of us and expected it would go in your favor. Now you've been told you're wrong and your done with game you've been playing? Now you've successfully created more drama in the community where everyone thinks we're being too serious for a game anymore when really we're just doing what we should of been doing all along. You said it yourself.
 

It should have been left at that, you should have never made this. I feel like you knew that then, and you definitely know that now. You created something volatile and it blew up in your face.
 
Sousei: You and I have never been on the best of terms. Mostly because I never liked you. You never seemed like somebody I could enjoy playing TTT with. This was probably shaped by the fact I didn't enjoy playing TTT with you. Funny how experience shapes attitudes towards people isn't it? I don't think you, or anyone complaining about Charrax, get why he is hostile to certain people or dickish to others. He isn't someone irrational, he isn't inherently obnoxious to everyone. Just to people he sees as deserving of his treatment.
 
You think we all "cockride" Charrax? Good joke. I've told Charrax off more than once, all of us have our own quarrels. The difference is we all understand the concept of dealing with our issues with other people. (Wow this must sound redundant, seeing as though this was the same issue said above). You say Charrax picks who he likes to be his staff. Not based on who is more capable. Has the thought ever occured to you (and I severly doubt it) that the people who Charrax has as his staff, are the ones who are best fit for the job and are the ones he likes. You assume we all agree with Charrax, you assume what goes on in the channels of Teamspeak where the staff of Gmod resides is all peaceful and "dickride"-ing. You assume this and you are wrong. Simply wrong.
 
Charrax's attitude: Everyone seems to think he is this irate asshole who simply hates on everything. That his attitude is driving this division into oblivion. I can safely say that I have the most experience with Charrax here, as I have known him for many years, and everyone is missing why Charrax is why he is. Its necessary. Charrax's attitude allows him to pick out who he finds to be helpful and who he finds to be the most beneficial to the server and then he can disregard everyone else. Of course he has biases and of course he has "favorites" but his behavior isn't entirely based on those things. A lot of people who frequent anything only like to associate with people within their own groups. Charrax doesn't automatically disregard new people. We have new staff coming in, new people Charrax likes and finds they can work well with the server. He just prefers to show his displeasure of others to them. Charrax is not someone to just talk about someone behind their back. He will talk about them wherever and whenever, including in their presence. This automatically offends people more. Charrax will call you a faggot, if you are a faggot. Chances are. You're probably a faggot. Charrax's attitude, as some of you have said, is actually beneficial. Its what stops the Gmod division from being a huge clique. It allows for change, but only the right change.
 
Banning: In reality, its a gray area. I personally believe its apparent when people are idiots/hunting for a perma ban and then there are bans that are overkill/misunderstanding. However, in the time it takes to understand what someones actions were and being able to react to their action there is not enough time to fully go through and deal with the true process of banning someone. Most of the time, people who are banned, are people who are just the kids who come onto the server and start breaking rules just to break rules. Now, we're starting to see cases where people who are part of the community are facing bans that should be in place but because they are part of the community there is a hesitance to just perma ban them like we've done the rest. Charrax tends to deal with things like this in the most efficient way possible, just get rid of it. There is no connection between an empty server and players being permabanned. The problem there is all about nobody wants to play an empty server. So yes that is why we the staff need to be there to get the server rolling. It usually only takes one or two people to enter a server and even if they are idle people join and start playing. I've done and continue to allow Gmod to run while I am busy doing other things and I've come back 9 to 15 people all playing in a server. Phobic mentioned a member retention issue, that doesn't come from banning either. Members get interested in joining because of a working server. When people such as Sousei or Tarik or any other people bring it upon themselves to do whatever they want with the server while an admin isn't present you're not going to retain those players because you've created an environment that isn't TTT and it isn't what we advertise. The leniency that we've had to everyone is the problem. If we want to get more players going in our server we need to cut the slack and start running it like a true server, not a playground for our own members.
 
Oh and because I forgot. -1.

what the sick. You will be missed Mr.Chin

Thread TL;DR
(In general) - Stop banning people for simple mistakes, cut a little more slack. There is a slay command for a reason, is there not?
 
(In general) - If you're going to post a Member Protest on the terms of disrespect, you better have proof of disrespect toward Yourself, not others.

(Charrax) - Tone down on the disrespect on everyone, or atleast towards those who take it personally.
 
The chances of finding a Div Leader who is all Pro and no Con are either slim to none. Everyone has something they excel in, and something they fail in. In this case, Charrax does everything server related right, but he runs a tight ship.
 
If you people are seriously upset with the disrespect, this has hopefully been a wake-up call for Charrax. For future reference, when posting about disrespect, only include disrespect TOWARD YOURSELF. Not everyone else takes what Charrax says in a hostile way, so don't speak for everyone. It will not help your case, because first of all you shouldn't be posting in regards to someone else being disrespected.
 
Show some proof if he's disrespecting you. Not proof that he's disrespecting others. Don't really care if I'm not a gmod player, but this right here is muckin' things up.
 
- Dat guy, Forest

Lol you guys take things like this is real life like bro its a game why cant we all just get over this shit. I'm just saying that even though I win the award for the most annoying and rule breaking player, I still have a say because you the people made me a member. I'm just recognizing the fact that things get outta hand.
 
I just come on here to have fun, not to impress any of you.

1 If a server that is empty is being screwed around on, I don't see the point in banning for Two weeks. Its more like a 30 minute ban followed by a "Do it again, It will be worse" Honestly, If no one was playing then I too would have joined in the antics...
 
FREE TARIK 2013

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Me and a few other people were screwing around on the RP server when no one but us were on. Charrax came on and got angry that i blocked a few doors (It was a prank to lock the guys in the building).
 
This resulted in me being banned for 2 weeks. Not only on the RP server but also on the TTT server. I thought the ban wasn't right because i didn't break any rules on the TTT servers only on RP and i still got banned from both of them. I proceeded to play on the TTT server anyway (Which i admit wasn't very nice). Because of this i am now banned permanently from the Gmod servers.
 
I would like to be unbanned because i think that this is a wrong reason to be permanently banned and the entire situation has spun out of control.

@@JayBreezy Sorry can you change mine to Nonoyes22