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Article Comments posted by Egossi
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@Tatost should have been DM fuck you @Aegean why did you let this happen
Gratz @Vexx, the only admin I saw as a suitable DM
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More info plzYou are able to link your steam trade URL for silence to see now!
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Unfortunately even if you think that 9 or something hours is fine, it's not and that is proven by the previous demotions for inactivity and the other opinions from the higherups. Even if you disagree you need to follow the guideline of having more than 8 hours on the server like the rest of usthe guidelines of having 8 hours on the server? what? i am not aware of this
If a normal user can look at someones TF2 activity and they think, "wow this guy is really inactive", they have every right to complain. The eyes of the community can always be judgemental ones, and they can at any point have their say in the matter. Just because it's determined by higher ups, doesn't mean people cannot voice their complaints about the inactivity, opinions are about the only thing people can give in terms of that. No, there's no point in witch-hunting for demotions, but you shouldn't tell people that they can't voice their opinion on others activity, even if it's wrong sometimes.im just saying its ridiculous how much some people care about other people's activity and how obvious it is that they just have their eyes on said person's position or is trying to make themselves look good in the higher ups' eyes
I have no problem in someone messaging me saying "hey this person has been a little inactive, could you talk to him about that"
but when someone goes "LOL THIS GUY HAS 7.98 HOURS WHY IS THIS GUY STILL NOT DEMOTED LOL" on a promo demo thread or on a private conversation, it pisses me the hell off
It is of my opinion that DM's and DL's should not be held to same standards of activity on the servers than M's and A's are. This is because it is the job of mods and admins to keep control of the people of the server and handle rule breakers. DM and up take on a bigger role of making sure the server is running smoothly and making sure the server isn't borked. Which means that they should not be expected to have the same server activity as a mod or admin. They should only be demoted if they fail to do their job or just disappear because of work and such as we saw with @Chrono (not throwing him under the bus, he just got a life outside xG. Crazy right?). Idk why everyone is getting all up in arms about the DM/DL activity on the servers when they have responsibilities for the division outside of playing on them. Lol I thought this was common sense, but I guess not.my thoughts exactly
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I think some people need to be thought that whether a staff member is active enough or not is determined by HIGHER UPS, not by the public's vote. I don't see how you think you have a say in the matter, and why you are striving to get people demoted
I personally think anything around 8-12 hours on our servers per 2 weeks is fine enough for a person who's not asking for a promotion nor a demotion, it seems that some of my higher up friends disagree with me on this but i honestly find it stupid that we need to treat people like we're paying them to be a staff members when they're voluntarily trying to keep our servers in check
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Handing forums doesn't take long. Plus the thing stopping new staff isn't just them being able to handle staff but also the amount of staff members in the first place.It's funny cause it's the exact opposite of what you're saying here, handling forums which goes all the way from discussing matters, making/remaking rules or even making rules from scratch, fixing threads/posts, closing threads or resolving reports, it takes just as much time as moderating servers.
The thing stopping us from promoting a person to mod would depend on nothing other than whether or not we think they can handle it, or in higher promotions whether or not we need them, I don't get why people think there is like a maximum cap of staff we have.
Several posts continuing arguing in promo demo later, after aegean said to take it elsewhereI see no problem with this discussion going on as the topic has changed and it's all nothing but constructive now
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I wasn't the one who compared, that was Nutty. I was talking about higherups in general. You're meant to be active on both forums and servers, not just one.my message was directed to nutty, not you
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It's not random. It's completely justified. You should post a reason why you have a lack of inactivity instead of blaming it on being unfair.I'm glad if you're keeping staff but you can't be doing this. There's plenty of people that want staff and you not being on often isn't exactly the best thing to do as staff. Be more active bro? I don't want you to be demoted <3
He did make a thread about his inactivity, and he has been getting more and more active which is something I personally wasn't aware of because I dont go to surf as often.
@Kypari, if we are going with hours alone, do you not think we should also demote Bello with but 5 hours the past couple weeks? Please don't kill me for throwing you under the bus...Are you seriously comparing a DL position to a moderator position? A DL can be more active than any of us in terms of fixing the servers, handling major situations etc. while they have no hours in-game, a mod is only supposed to be in-game, which also goes for admins. DMs are also supposed to moderate forums and teamspeak so our activies are also not deemed by just tf2 activity, but mostly forums and partially teamspeak as well.
Either way on my part I have and again will apologize to @Floppy for this false reasoning behind your demotion, it is the result of the lack of discussion and for that I also apologize on the behalf of TF2 Higher ups.
The demotion has been reverted.
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EIGHTH!
Edit: I didn't see the thing either, rest in peace @Digitalhax
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Congratulations to those who were demoted this Promo/Demo! This is a reminder to those who have newly lost access as a Moderator to remove your tags from your steam nickname to ensure the removal of powers as soon as possible.
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OGI think you meant "Fake ass"
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A huge welcome back to @Rejects and a congrats to @bagel and @Dethman
You earned it
As for CSGO, I think this was very much expected, congrats to @virr
#Europe
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Late congrats to @Vector
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To everyone who is concerned about why we have been promoted although being inactive on the servers, I understand your concerns and Blank and I will try our hardest to show you what a DM should be actually doing rather than just doing what an admin can on the servers, which is why I believe we were promoted in the first place. It is true that I haven't been as active on our servers because of my school, timezone difference and other obstacles in life. But I personally will make as many contributions as I can. Thanks for having faith in me.
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that edit was uncalled for
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wow very nice demotions
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how about we instead make being a member worth something again by reverting the required amount of vouches back to 10?
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No there was just nothing for TF2 this weekthat's even sadder :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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we have already become the dying division that doesn't get their promo demos out in time?? this is purely saddening :(
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Congrats @DrLee
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Pretty much 3/4 TF2 servers are dead right now. ripmaybe cause school just started in many countries? what should be do, shut down schools in the us and the entirety of eu?
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Thanks for the promo guys, I'll be sure to do my best
also congrats to the new mod @Black_Dynamite, if you need help with anything you can message me on steam
Promotions And Demotions #170
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i think thunder has a point here