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Names matter in the case of hackers. You literally just said it yourself, "names would never matter in the case of a cheater, unless the name was in someway derogatory" It may not be the strongest point, but it's defiantly a contributing factor. With the theme that you and your friend went with (the mechanics of the game, hitscan dan, headshot scott) are things that could easily be exploited through programs, which adding to the suspicion that you were using the programs. When I said etc., which by definition means,

 

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adverb: etcetera

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So there wouldn't be a whole lot of other things, but since you asked, other examples could be friends, vac bans, having a private profile, bans on other servers/communities which you literally posted for us to see. There's really no reason to continue this part of the argument, because I never said that this was the main reason you were banned. All I said it was a contributed. The reason you got banned was because 4 staff came to a consensus that you were using hacks.

thank you for that completely patronizing definition of etc, now allow me to post one of my own.

derogatory

adjective

1. showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.

Now I'm not sure about you but I can't think of a single way the names "hitscan dan" or "headshot scott" are in anyway critical or disrespectful. MAYBE if we had both been berating others in chat for not being able to get headshots or aim in general, than this would make a convincing argument. Yet both of us stayed virtually silent, save for my bind spamming for which i apologize it was another joke gone rampant. In the case of friends, is it guilt by association?should you be thought of as a cheater because of a friend who you have no control over cheats? as for the vac bans I have no because I've never cheated. A private profile would make a convincing argument had I not posted my profile as a screenshot and then also publicized it for brief period of time, in which multiple members of this staff looked at it. As I have posted earlier those links go to previous bans, meaning that they were lifted and are no longer in effect, one as recent as this week meaning that someone looked over "evidence" of me cheating and concluded that I was not cheating.

It doesn't matter. With the given context of you being suspected of cheating, things like names, hours played, ect. can add suspicion to the case.

names would never matter in the case of a cheater, unless the name was in someway derogatory, and noone said anything more on my hours played after they saw them. "etc" can mean a lot of things, and I'd like for you to elaborate on the things that made me must suspicious.

Playing the game is totally fine except this isn't the first time you've been accused of hacking so that's how I'm using the term suspicious because it's happened before but in a even more suspicious way than before. Look all I'm saying is that history matters and the fact that you've been banned for something like this before is just showing the truth that you are indeed a hacker. No hard feelings my dude its just that I'm a bit upset that you've come back to our servers to try and lie to us again when you could've changed face and become a member and followed the community but you threw it out the window when you decided to hack again on our servers.

This logic is essentially "others have thought you did something so you must be doing them" aside from being extremely close-minded its also backed by people who already think I cheat, so of course it would show "truth" to me being a hacker. Its the same thing as googling a very specific phrase during an argument to skew the "facts" in your favor. I posted my past bans as a way to show that others that have been dead sure that I was a cheater have in the end rewatched evidence and then revised their opinions in favor of me. I also don't understand why you seem to be taking me making an appeal for what I feel is a false ban personally.

Calling players who kill you "suspicious" is flawed thinking./QUOTE]

I feel as if i should elaborate on this, I feel as if the definition of "suspicious" gets altered constantly for convenience, and I'm curious as to how me playing the game as anyone who enjoys sniper would is suspicious.

Playing with suspicious players that may or may not be cheating, is suspicious in itself. Usually when hackers have friends that are playing with them both tend to be cheating.

Calling players who kill you "suspicious" is flawed thinking.

Also naming yourself as game mechanics like "hitscan dan", and "headshot scott" does make it a bit more suspicious. From games that I've seen, both on xG servers, and in Valve Casual matches. Hackers name themselves something clever along the lines of what you and your friend did.

This logic is also incredibly flawed considering anyone can name themselves anything, regardless of whether they cheat or not. I personally have seen far more "experienced" players duo in servers with matching names, usually in the form of an injoke, in this case "hitscan dan" and "headshot scott" were both names a friend came up with.

Rofl your name is hitscan dan and you're rolling with someone called headshot scott. Boy boy boy if this gets accepted LOL

I don't see how the people I play with would matter in this case at all, considering we've both been playing this game for years and neither of us cheat, alsothe whole point of the names is that they rhyme with the videogames mechanics.

Ima just say -1 since this all seems to fishy to me with how he is suspected to be hacking on so many servers and the demo seems like enough proof that he was hacking.

key word "suspected" they all had similar "evidence" to what you guys have now, people above them watched and decided I wasn't cheating, and as the people played with me more they also realized I wasn't cheating. There are only a handful of people out of all of those bans who still think i cheat. Bandwagoning is a very powerful thing.

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Oh You knew how many spies there were at all times?

Not at all times and in the demo you can clearly see about 4 or 5ish spies in my general area at once so...

If your profile wasn't kept to private then maybe we'd see your real hours not this fake screenshot "close enough" garbage.

If you had even bothered to cross reference the steamids and steam profile links then youd see that they match up and that the account banned is the same account shown( I honestly dont understand why this is being brought back up)

You fueled the "hackusation" by providing several minutes of nothing but suspicious af kills and spy checks in areas you had no reason to check.

"suspicious af" yeah? I would like you to specifically point out these suspicious kills and these spy checks that looked so out of place that they confused to the point of calling them fake.

I literally joined to catch you cheating. Not because I'm salty cause you killed me. Not because I'm mad cause you beat me 1v1 oh boo hoo. But because we had suspicions that you were hacking, and we do strongly believe we caught you.

I can only guess that you are upset with me killing you because you held enough of a grudge to not only call cheats, but to then spend the rest of the day defending your reasoning behind my supposed "cheats"

I'm dying that's so hilarious. I was sitting completely still until you came to chase me. As shown in the second demo. Next I never uncloaked. I said this. I showed this in the demo. Going as far to say walking in front of you just to get you caught is just plain hilarious. Because if they were walking in front of you so you wouldn't bump them and get you caught. How do you know they were running in front of you in the first place?

I find it funny that you think standing behind someone cloaked is a good place to be if you arent looking to be found. I also am going to need some of these sentences edited because theyre very disjointedly put together and are causing some confusion for me namely this "Because if they were walking in front of you so you wouldn't bump them and get you caught" and this "I wasn't either every single time I killed one of the spies instead of going a different class to possibly combat me they continued to respawn run out of spawn and cloak and dagger and wait for me to either bump/hit them." I think youre trying to point out that changing class against a sniper would be a bad idea, but that logic is horribly flawed within itself because there are classes designed to counter sniper. As for the first sentence I think you were trying to say that the spies walking infront of me and me bumping them wouldnt get me caught. Also i too watched the demo so i now know what the spies were doing.

Oh yes cause we were running in front of you to get you to bump us! Even though the demos show spies and myself moving away from you.We just particularly wanted to call you a hacker. Even a bunch of staff got on for no reason just to pick on you too. You say all these things in your posts but then the demos show otherwise. You push so hard for innocent until proven guilty and we provided evidence, witnesses, and counter arguments.

besides admin chat showing that you guys were in fact attempting to "cheater" check me literally one of you dictating to the others on what to do, and the fact that I only got two kills on fully cloaked spies. One was on someone who ran around with a trail that was clearly visible whether or not cloaked, and the second one being on Ghosty who I bumped and then promptly beat to death. The demos continue to prove me right although you keep saying they aren't. The only evidence being brought forth is how obvious it is that im cheating, and the only witnesses are the people accusing me of cheating. Also what sane individual wouldn't push for innocent until proven guilty if they believe they did nothing wrong.

I think you forgot bout Spooks just standing there bb which doesn't fit this narrative at all. also it seems like you are trying to make it out that the staff were trying to frame you and get you banned by getting in your way for fudges and giggles which is idiotic by itself.

I mean it sounds idiotic when you put it that way yes, but so does denying the fact that playtime and skill level correlate more often then not, and the more someone fights with spies the more they can anticipate a spies actions, with a little bit of lucky timing of course. And you can also not deny the fact that more than 4 people purposefully went spy and then cloaked around me in attempt to get me to find them to fuel the "hackusation"

Perhaps they believe that the evidence is sufficient enough to keep you banned?

Of course the people that already think I'm cheating think the evidence is sufficient enough to keep me banned, that is literally why they are here in the first place. They didn't post to root for the underdog.

This isn't some competition, i'm not sure why you think it is, there is legitimate concern on your playing and it was handled at the admins' discretion and they, myself included, felt it's too suspicious and too convenient.

I mean it is by all definition a competition, killing people with the soul purpose to win over them is a competition. Its what tf2 is all about. The only legitimate concern there was at first was the fact that I don't run hats and I have a private profile. If I had a hales own sniper rifle (with cloaked spy shots counted) and a bubbling team captain noone would bat an eyelash at me shooting them because I would look the part. The only convenient answer here is that noone has even tried to play devils advocate as to how I might not be cheating.The general consensus seems to be I'm a cheater, although the evidence of such is anecdotal at best, with one shifty spy kill at the very end.

Reread my comment above please.

 

I'm not talking about the red scouts you see running,

I wasn't either every single time I killed one of the spies instead of going a different class to possibly combat me they continued to respawn run out of spawn and cloak and dagger and wait for me to either bump/hit them. Actively moving infront of me increasing the likelihood that i would find them, or just cloak spamming to distract me away from other spies.

There seems to be a lot of back and fourth here about just how bless noticed cloaked spies without a completely solid consensus on what actually happened.

So, if we don't decide what exactly the case was, is it guilty until proven innocent, or innocent until proven guilty?

 

Just wondering

seems to be an overwhelming amount of bandwagoning towards guilty until proven innocent

Demos don't lie but clearly you do. You can refute it all you want but the proof is right there of you straight chasing me down without even a bump. You went over to an area that you had no reason to go to outside of chasing me to try to get the bump. The only time I flashed was when my cloak ran out at the end. You can deny the evidence all you want but the reality is that you we're clearly chasing an invis spy that you had no reason to chase in the first place Or be suspicious over. Idk who you think that you're fooling, because it's sure as hell not me.

This is literally just denial if ive ever seen it you clearly flashed after I bumped into you please feel free to watch the end of the second demo once again.

You "conveniently" walked in the direction of spooks at the end of the second demo. THEN you bumped into her which caused the flash. I watched the demo multiple times and that's exactly what happened which reinforced the theory of wall hacks.

Besides just disproving w/e spooks was on about her not being bumped, bumping into one spy without meaning too does not a hacker make, so far the only thing I can legitimately call even remotely suspect is the final kill on spooks, everything else is me spy checking the contained area with spies that had been continuously respawning and coming back to the same area. I would give you guys the win if I had specifically walked into areas with invis spies and then bumped into them. But there is no such evidence because there was nothing there in the first place besides a batch of people who do not like to lose.

"You may think people here are dumb but I assure you we know the difference between tracking spies and knowing where a full invis spy is" I mean if you like lying to yourself I guess there is a difference, considering the fact that I i bumped into you and its proven by you flashing on the demo that you tried to use as evidence.

We arent talking about you having aimbot, we are talking about you having wallhacks, and watching the demos the dont always do something that gets them flashed.

If I am spamming with smg and they flash thats their fault, im firing because I know there are spies and I know by footsteps and voicelines that they are around me.

Hours mean nothing when you can just make an alt account to hack with, just because you've played a lot doesn't mean you won't hack with a side account when you're bored

This was already proven to be false considering the fact that both the account that was banned and the account that I gave were both the same thing and mine. So there is no side-account hacking.

but I did bump him, hes talking about the time up until I bumped him and the reasoning as to why I bumped him, I have not headshot or randomly swung and hit a completely invisible spy, they always do something that gets them flashed, giving their position away.

Thing is everything here explains how sketchy you were and it isn't about you being "so good and aimbotting" it's bout wall hacking to see spies which you would get them in the most suspicious ways plus there are ways with hacking to make it seem less obvious, and you say "bad spy play" event though @Ms.Spooks was just sitting around in cloak and dagger and wasn't killing or anything

if you are standing around a sniper who is actively moving and you get bumped and then found that's bad spy play. by the logic of "I can't think of ways it isn't hacking, so therefore its only hacking" Everyone who gets kills on cloaked spies is cheating, even though there are very well known methods to keep track of spies who don't play well.

Hours mean nothing when you can just make an alt account to hack with, just because you've played a lot doesn't mean you won't hack with a side account when you're bored so that really is not a reason for why you were not hacking . Also your descriptions for seeing spies are like the blandest things that anyone can come with that anyone can come up with to explain it

 

plus they are already pretty sketchy about you "hearing their footsteps" along with your entire team and enemies shooting and walking, and how you start shooting to spy check randomly is all basically what hackers do to justify their suspicious kills

everything in this post is "bland" and "can be said by anyone" its general statements like that that get nothing done and no evidence scrutinized. Constant posts about how it has to be cheats, and there is no possible way that it could be as previously described. I see no hard evidence of cheating, but I saw and still see a lot of jumping to conclusions based off of minimal evidence. There was no aimbot, the spy kills can be attributed to bad spy play, and all of my other kills as well as the misses seem to be a complete nonissue.

You had no reason reason to be over there in the first place. the fact you were swinging without a bump and chasing me when initially I wasn't moving is more than enough proof to say you didn't hear footsteps. You chased air. No bump. Nothing. Nada. The fact you Knew I was a back peddling spy is exactly why you're guilty.

You can't claim guilt over one thing just because it happened to you. Timing is very important in games like these, when to fire shots, when you move, when to look behind you, if any of your timing is off you die. There is little to no evidence of cheating I've explained all my kills expect for the final one of the second demo. My hours correlate to my skill level ive been playing this game and others for years, you gain a sense when you are in situations over and over again.

Look I was sitting in cloak and dagger out of your range the second I joined. First thing that ticked me off was you shot your shotgun near at me when the only other person behind me was another cloaked spy. Second tick that I got was when you were recharging your health at the saloon type building. You turned 360 degrees and chased me full cloak trying to get the bump. The third shown in that second demo, You literally walked right at me then continued to chase even though I was not even bumped. I %100 believe you were hacking, and you were terrible at covering it up. Keep in mind I never uncloaked or attacked you back. there was No way you could have seen me on all three of those cases in less than 4 minutes. I vouche you stay banned just for trying to pull the "every spy I killed I bumped" cliche.

I didnt pull any cliches, I explained how I got some of my spy kills. the rest is explained in previous posts.

Just finished watching the demos and I found 3 questionable kills one was the kill I got one a cloaked spy because he was standing directly behind me and as I started going forward instead of breaking off to a different direction, he kept backpedaling knowing fullwell that I am faster than a backpedaling spy, and I know that thats why you constantly see me changing directions and overall 360 scanning, most of my deaths come from me stopping the 360 scan to focus on one or more enemies. This needs to be said right now because I think its unclear to the spies who play tf2, you dont stand behind a sniper full cloaked, because the likely hood of that same sniper moving abruptly and bumping you increases exponentially. As for the final melee kill in the second demo, even I cant deny how shady it looked, Me bumping into that spy was rather unfortunate circumstance, the slight turn of the mouse, and overall shift towards the spy can't be attributed to anything but pure luck. And to prove that Im legit im more than willing to post a video of a recoding in a diffferent trade server. the map wont be the same but there wont be the horrible latency that comes with recording demos over spectator mode, half the time my crosshair was 8 miles behind the player.

I mean I wasn't there long before you got banned so I didn't really have much say in the ban. I'll take a look at the demo later and vouch based off that (y)

I implore everyone to watch those demos with that in mind, how would you react in that situation.

It's less so aimbot more so wallhacks. That's what was discussed as you seemed to track invisible spies. The decision was made by @Vector and @BonfireCentipede specifically

Literally every single spy kill I get is because they get touched or shot and flash. And If you take notice that everytime I shot a spy its because I was either spamming the entire area with my smg or using the sound of the spy voice and footsteps to findem. Also if I bump into you once why would you not expect to be killed with melee?