No More Drama. At All. Period.

[Scootaloo 124]

I know for one fact NO ONE in this thread will be even SLIGHTLY affected.

The reason being the fact that this is the internet

 

If problems continue to persist with our staff after this thread, those individuals will find they won't remain staff for very long. EVERYONE is affected by this, because I'm going to begin rigorously enforcing a zero-tolerance rule about this very subject within my staff. People would be wise to take this thread seriously.

 

By the way, the majority of the tf2 staff might wanna go work out their issue with @Vector.

 

Heh, can't reiterate this one enough.

[Waimalu 1]

Hopefully this won't be like the last couple of lets get rid of toxicity posts where just about nothing changed. The punishments in the toxicity thread haven't really changed much. Don't push for change and then go back on it. If people say they're not going to change their toxic ways after a temporary ban, they don't deserve to be in the clan...

But then again I could be wrong. I don't get myself involved in drama, it's fucking childish...

 

Have a great day

-Waims

Hai

[Ohstopyou 42]

Lmao. "This is the internet" and "this is xG" are not valid excuses. That's like killing someone and going "this is North Korea". Like what? Still doesn't make it okay.

 

We may be on the internet, but it's our corner of the internet. Go take your drama elsewhere. I agree with Scoot on the zero tolerance policy. It's tiring and time consuming to solve disputes caused by the ole' xG telephone.

 

(Please note this applies to the TF2 servers, TF2 forums, and TF2 members in TS)

[Egossi 1017]

here's my opinion on most of the drama based problems going on in xG

there wouldn't be as much people causing drama if we didn't try to make our servers and forums child-friendly and open for people with the mind of pre-schoolers who can't deal with "things that might huwt theiw feewings"

 

take pokemon trade server for example, half the drama spreads into the entire clan from that server since it's full of adult children with psychological problems

(i could give a shit ton of examples but i don't think there is a necessity for it since you all probably know at least some of the individuals im talking about)

 

I mean i still can't tell if some people here were molested as a kid or they actually just really love causing drama, being offended, and overall being very sad human beings but either way that doesn't really concern me at all

what does concern me is the fact that too many unnecessary rules and that i think they are some-what the reason all this drama is happening

take the ban of death threats for example, what about people getting banned/kicked by certain admins for a slight amount of disrespect? and getting banned for the usage of certain words with comedic purposes etc. etc.

i see zero tolerance from most admins on this and thats one of the reasons i don't even wanna play on the servers anymore, all the bans i've seen on the servers, with the reasons so exaggerated and absurd because of all the salty and ban happy admins (one of them majorly being the one I was talking about earlier) just feels like a kindergarten while they also attract people suitable for kindergarten

[Ohstopyou 42]

here's my opinion on most of the drama based problems going on in xG

there wouldn't be as much people causing drama if we didn't try to make our servers and forums child-friendly and open for people with the mind of pre-schoolers who can't deal with "things that might huwt theiw feewings"

 

take pokemon trade server for example, half the drama spreads into the entire clan from that server since it's full of adult children with psychological problems

(i could give a fudge ton of examples but i don't think there is a necessity for it since you all probably know at least some of the individuals im talking about)

 

I mean i still can't tell if some people here were molested as a kid or they actually just really love causing drama, being offended, and overall being very sad human beings but either way that doesn't really concern me at all

what does concern me is the fact that too many unnecessary rules and that i think they are some-what the reason all this drama is happening

take the ban of death threats for example, what about people getting banned/kicked by certain admins for a slight amount of disrespect? and getting banned for the usage of certain words with comedic purposes etc. etc.

i see zero tolerance from most admins on this and thats one of the reasons i don't even wanna play on the servers anymore, all the bans i've seen on the servers, with the reasons so exaggerated and absurd because of all the salty and ban happy admins (one of them majorly being the one I was talking about earlier) just feels like a kindergarten while they also attract people suitable for kindergarten

 

I don't think you understand what this thread is about. This is about our members, staff, ex-staff, etc. making up stuff about people or hearing something incorrectly and spreading it around. Then it gets back to the people (because no one will talk to anyone), and we have another fight on our hands that is completely pointless.

 

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As for the other things you stated:

 

There's a level of admin tolerance, obviously some people have more.

 

I can't say about the forums, but we have the censorship because I believe Google docks us ad money if we have cursing on the forums.

 

The death threats rule was originally for those people who got so angry that they would threaten someone's life. (ex: I'm going to kill you and your family.) I don't know how it's spread to jokes like "kill urself" or other things.

 

Admin disrespect? I have yet to see a ban so far about this. If you're talking about how we talk about a simple rule like "don't gun glitch" or "use !guard to join blue" and we have to talk to the person 30 times, yet they ignore us. Of course we are going to ban them.

 

The zero tolerance policy is for our OWN members/staff. They should know better than to start the petty-ante drama bullshit (we're back to telephone again). Use your words and talk to the person.

 

As for the unnecessary rules, we have two groups in xG. Those who need everything in writing, and those who have common sense. I'm leaning towards LESS rules and more common sense. However, it seems most people need everything in writing.

 

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If staff are going to have a problem with speaking to people, and spreading drama (instead of shutting it down right there like I've told them in the past), then there will have to be some changes.

 

We are at an impasse. Either the staff will change, or we will change the staff :)

 

 

 

TL;DR - You really should read it. We're talking about the people starting the drama and spreading it around (i.e staff and members). If they won't change, the staff roster will change.

[Egossi 1017]

I don't think you understand what this thread is about

im sorry i went off the main thread with my post there but no, i do understand. I just found it appropriate to state my opinions on this thread

Admin disrespect? I have yet to see a ban so far about this. If you're talking about how we talk about a simple rule like "don't gun glitch" or "use !guard to join blue" and we have to talk to the person 30 times, yet they ignore us. Of course we are going to ban them.

Well no, that's nowhere near what I meant. As a former staff member I wouldn't mix up the rules broken, no.

I'm talking about the bans and mutes caused by the slightest admin disrespect I've seen countless times on the servers

i think i can recall some of those bans being issued by you actually, no offense but i didn't know you could not see bans you've implemented yourself, lol

[Ohstopyou 42]

im sorry i went off the main thread with my post there but no, i do understand. I just found it appropriate to state my opinions on this thread

 

Well no, that's nowhere near what I meant. As a former staff member I wouldn't mix up the rules broken, no.

I'm talking about the bans and mutes caused by the slightest admin disrespect I've seen countless times on the servers

i think i can recall some of those bans being issued by you actually, no offense but i didn't know you could not see bans you've implemented yourself, lol

I don't ban people for the "slightest disrespect", lmao. If they're a major problem, I'll mute them or w/e. However, if they are breaking multiple rules (along with disrespecting staff), then I will ban them and add that as a supplemental reason. Like the point of this thread, I actually try to talk to people and resolve a situation WITHOUT having to resort to punishment. However, some people already have their minds set and do not want to calm down or change.

 

I can see the bans I've implemented myself. If you're talking about the bans from like 2012, then yes. There are a few about admin disrespect, but that was back when I was younger, only a mod, and we were told to ban people who acted like that.

 

Nearly all of my bans in the past 5-7 months (when I rejoined) have been for other reasons (ban requests, mass freekill, spamming, porn sprays, etc.) There are a few where it was added as a supplemental reason (like they were treating other lower staff poorly).

 

Banning isn't the first tool I resort to. I actually try to talk to people.

 

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Now, can we please get back on topic? The whole point of this thread was to tell people to talk to one another and if they don't, we're going to make some changes. That's it.

[Colorparty 28]

INB4 Drama starts in this thread.

 

 

But on a serious note, yea, it needs to stop, it feels like some sorta huge drama comes up every month now. But I have been away forever, (AND STILL AM HAHAAHAH) so, what do I know? Never the less. +1