Promotions And Demotions #167

According to the new "active as you can be" rule, I feel it should be more elaborated on as as I said he has been on surf frequently over the last month. Just curious

Ok guys .. if you don´t know me.. I´m always in Surf server, surfing..

 

as supreme said, I´m seing floppy too in the Surf server..He is active especially at nights, I dont think he´s inactive.

Ok, one, if the person who demoted him actually paid any attention, he's been very active on surf especially in the past week or so. And two, "we removed the rule for 18 hours a week blah blah blah", there has to be another reason for him being demoted. I personally feel like you guys really need to rethink his demotion because that is complete and utter bullshit of a reason, especially when I see him more than some higher ups, and hes the staff i see the most on surf other than vac (and the new mod @Skeletal ).

It seems as though we made a mistake regarding Floppy's actual activity and apologize for that :oops:. Thank you everyone who decided to speak up and correct us on that fact.

8.9 hours isn't active. The rule was changed so that if someone is inactive it is because they haven't been seen by staff. However, this does not completely negate your activity within the past two weeks.

Also @Caleb956 I'm definitely on more than Floppy.

Though I believe that Floppy is a good moderator his activity is lacking and that is an issue.

Also @Caleb956 I'm definitely on more than Floppy.

I'm only talking about when I'm online.

Special thanks to @mrnutty12 and anyone who speaks the truth !

I just wanted to point out, that I only play tf2 on steam, and that I only play on the Surf since vsh and jailbreak died, I also respond to every !calladmin when I can, and I try to do my job as conveniently as possible.

I hope that this mistake, gets fixed and I hope it's just a mistake, not an unfair personal grudge .

Floppy's activity page shows that he has, in fact, been getting on regularly for the past couple of weeks, just not for very long each session. Given everyone else's testimony to his being on, there is some credit to his activity.

@Kypari, if we are going with hours alone, do you not think we should also demote Bello with but 5 hours the past couple weeks? Please don't kill me for throwing you under the bus...

Yes, we changed the rule to be arbitrary as fuck, but where those hours are spent does matter (unless they have like 0 total).

I am not saying all the staff should have that few hours because then this sort of thing happens, but since the change hours alone is a bit more lenient.

if a staff does their job well no matter their hours they should not be demoted.i mean unless they never get on

Floppy's activity page shows that he has, in fact, been getting on regularly for the past couple of weeks, just not for very long each session. Given everyone else's testimony to his being on, there is some credit to his activity.

 

@Kypari, if we are going with hours alone, do you not think we should also demote Bello with but 5 hours the past couple weeks? Please don't kill me for throwing you under the bus...

Yes, we changed the rule to be arbitrary as fuck, but where those hours are spent does matter (unless they have like 0 total).

I am not saying all the staff should have that few hours because then this sort of thing happens, but since the change hours alone is a bit more lenient.

Bello's activity should be higher and it's kinda sad that a lot of higherups have way less activity than most staff.

Despite him visiting the servers everyday his hours still prove that he isn't on them enough. I think this should be a final warning and if his time on the servers don't increase then he should be demoted. Floppy is good at his job and it would be a shame to see someone like that go but you can't have inactive staff.

Again; "inactive" and "not very active" aren't the same thing, I get on when I can, and a warning about my lack of activity would have been very appreciated, a random demotion for Inactivty, that's just too wrong and unfair, cheers !

Again; "inactive" and "not very active" aren't the same thing, I get on when I can, and a warning about my lack of activity would have been very appreciated, a random demotion for Inactivty, that's just too wrong and unfair, cheers !

It's not random. It's completely justified. You should post a reason why you have a lack of inactivity instead of blaming it on being unfair.

I'm glad if you're keeping staff but you can't be doing this. There's plenty of people that want staff and you not being on often isn't exactly the best thing to do as staff. Be more active bro? I don't want you to be demoted <3

It's not random. It's completely justified. You should post a reason why you have a lack of inactivity instead of blaming it on being unfair.

I'm glad if you're keeping staff but you can't be doing this. There's plenty of people that want staff and you not being on often isn't exactly the best thing to do as staff. Be more active bro? I don't want you to be demoted <3

He did make a thread about his inactivity, and he has been getting more and more active which is something I personally wasn't aware of because I dont go to surf as often.

@Kypari, if we are going with hours alone, do you not think we should also demote Bello with but 5 hours the past couple weeks? Please don't kill me for throwing you under the bus...

Are you seriously comparing a DL position to a moderator position? A DL can be more active than any of us in terms of fixing the servers, handling major situations etc. while they have no hours in-game, a mod is only supposed to be in-game, which also goes for admins. DMs are also supposed to moderate forums and teamspeak so our activies are also not deemed by just tf2 activity, but mostly forums and partially teamspeak as well.

Either way on my part I have and again will apologize to @Floppy for this false reasoning behind your demotion, it is the result of the lack of discussion and for that I also apologize on the behalf of TF2 Higher ups.

The demotion has been reverted.

The thing is, this isn't an issue for CS:GO and Floppy is right that:

• Getting a little heads up about activity should not be a problem for staff to manage,
  
• Someone actively getting on for a period of time daily, especially on off hours and actually moderating is enough help. This is why we removed the 18 hour rule in the first place.
  

Anyways, no reason to continue discussing this here, it's been sorted out and we will do our best to avoid mistakes like this in the future.

Are you seriously comparing a DL position to a moderator position? A DL can be more active than any of us in terms of fixing the servers, handling major situations etc. while they have no hours in-game, a mod is only supposed to be in-game, which also goes for admins. DMs are also supposed to moderate forums and teamspeak so our activies are also not deemed by just tf2 activity, but mostly forums and partially teamspeak as well

I wasn't the one who compared, that was Nutty. I was talking about higherups in general. You're meant to be active on both forums and servers, not just one.

I wasn't the one who compared, that was Nutty. I was talking about higherups in general. You're meant to be active on both forums and servers, not just one.

my message was directed to nutty, not you

There's plenty of people that want staff

I feel like no matter how many staff the tf2 division has, if the higher ups think a person will make a good staff, then they will be promoted, so you can't go around saying that "oh well you need to be more active because others want a shot at staff". The only thing stopping someone else from getting mod is them having to prove they can handle being a staff member. Granted, I'm not saying staff shouldn't be more active, but as long as they don't have like an hour in the past two weeks in the game, then they should be fine, especially if that person is a DM or DL, since as @Egossi stated, they handle the forums, serverside stuff, etc.

But that's just me.

@Aegean sorry for posting another thing, last thing I will post here. c:

I feel like no matter how many staff the tf2 division has, if the higher ups think a person will make a good staff, then they will be promoted, so you can't go around saying that "oh well you need to be more active because others want a shot at staff". The only thing stopping someone else from getting mod is them having to prove they can handle being a staff member. Granted, I'm not saying staff shouldn't be more active, but as long as they don't have like an hour in the past two weeks in the game, then they should be fine, especially if that person is a DM or DL, since as @Egossi stated, they handle the forums, serverside stuff, etc.

Handing forums doesn't take long. Plus the thing stopping new staff isn't just them being able to handle staff but also the amount of staff members in the first place

my message was directed to nutty, not you

My b but the point still stands

This isn't just going nowhere. I'll pm about if I feel like this needs bringing up because I don't want to cause shit on the forums.

Several posts continuing arguing in promo demo later, after aegean said to take it elsewhere