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So I have a question i'm a mod for the CSGO division and i haven't donated IF i step down do i have to donate to reapply?

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So I have a question i'm a mod for the CSGO division and i haven't donated IF i step down do i have to donate to reapply?

Active staff will not be required to donate in order to keep their positions. You're good. But if you step down, I'm not actually sure how that will work. @Rhododendron, input?

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Wasn't my call. Rhododendron has wanted this to be a requirement since the dawn of time, but nobody has been upholding the rule.

I'm not actually sure how that will work. @Rhododendron, input

Considering these are rules for staff applications, regular promotions shouldn't be effected

and that basically means you're gonna have to donate if you wanna make a staff application thread

Active staff will not be required to donate in order to keep their positions. You're good. But if you step down, I'm not actually sure how that will work. @Rhododendron, input?

 

 

 

 

Wasn't my call. Rhododendron has wanted this to be a requirement since the dawn of time, but nobody has been upholding the rule.

I'd think for the sake of fairness that anyone who hadn't donated before and steps down then comes back to take a position again should be made to follow the donation rule. Would be a tad unfair if anyone who was already mod or higher and didn't pay got a free pass while anyone new applying for the position have to now pay for it.

I agree with Vixen here. It would be very unfair if people could "opt out" due to being a staff member previously. If they step down or quit, getting a free pass would be wrong, because they quit. If a person is not a donator already, and have made the choice to step down or quit, then they should have to abide to these rules.

What about the people who can't donate due to financial issues, or a lack of a proper platform to pay with? (Paypal, Mastercard, etc..) Will adding donating to the requirements really filter out bad staff members? Or is it purely due to xG being in financial straits?

...That being said, there are some people who I'd donate on the behalf of, if it meant that they could be a staff member. I can think of a few people who deserve the opportunity, but cannot afford it.

Don't worry guys. If we have a former staff member want staff again, and they haven't donated, we aren't going to cold-shoulder them. =p

What about the people who can't donate due to financial issues, or a lack of a proper platform to pay with? (Paypal, Mastercard, etc..)

You can buy a visa prepaid gift card from a cvs or pretty much any convenience store and load it up with the necessary funds...

You do not need a credit card

I can partially see a reason for donations, but locking the ability to moderate and help keep a community peaceful behind them just seems wrong to me. Why not keep the focus on the silly hats and walking bananas? Shouldn't you pay for perks, not for a job?

See, that's a problem. xG needs more money, but donations for staff positions are only gonna come up once and a while, and once you donate, you never have to do that again. People are gonna throw their money at silly perks, not a painful, arduous job that is, nine days out of ten, thankless.

(I was gonna add this all to my first post, but didn't. Oops.)

Will adding donating to the requirements really filter out bad staff members?

You do realize that the donation rule is for people who make staff applications right? And that mainly happens because those people can't get promoted by the higher ups due to them either being untrustable with powers either due to their lack of recognition or troubles they may have caused in the past, or them being seen as immature or unfit for staff position.

What about the people who can't donate due to financial issues, or a lack of a proper platform to pay with? (Paypal, Mastercard, etc..)

If you're in a financial situation or if you simply don't want to donate, all you have to do is show that you are capable of staff membership to the TF2 higher ups, it's really not that hard.

I can partially see a reason for donations, but locking the ability to moderate and help keep a community peaceful behind them just seems wrong to me. Why not keep the focus on the silly hats and walking bananas? Shouldn't you pay for perks, not for a job?

It's not entirely being "locked", you have clearly misunderstood.

See, that's a problem. xG needs more money, but donations for staff positions are only gonna come up once and a while, and once you donate, you never have to do that again. People are gonna throw their money at silly perks, not a painful, arduous job that is, nine days out of ten, thankless.

that's kind of a rude thing to say if you ask me

You do realize that the donation rule is for people who make staff applications right? And that mainly happens because those people can't get promoted by the higher ups due to them either being untrustable with powers either due to their lack of recognition or troubles they may have caused in the past, or them being seen as immature or unfit for staff position.

 

 

If you're in a financial situation or if you simply don't want to donate, all you have to do is show that you are capable of staff membership to the TF2 higher ups, it's really not that hard.

 

 

It's not entirely being "locked", you have clearly misunderstood.

 

 

that's kind of a rude thing to say if you ask me

1. My understanding was that it applied to all methods of becoming staff. You prove a good point in that regard.

2. I know this. The post had me under the impression that it would change.

3. In a sense, yeah, I've misunderstood. Could've informed me in a more polite way, though.

4. Why so? The concept of buying a job has always made little sense to me, especially when it's as stressful and difficult as being an xG staff member. Not only do few people appreciate what you do, but a lot of people don't really respect you unless you lift up the banhammer and dangle it over their head. It's a good thing, choosing to do that sort of thing. It's a bad thing to -HAVE- to pay for it, which again, I was under the impression that paying was mandatory.

4. Why so? The concept of buying a job has always made little sense to me, especially when it's as stressful and difficult as being an xG staff member. Not only do few people appreciate what you do, but a lot of people don't really respect you unless you lift up the banhammer and dangle it over their head. It's a good thing, choosing to do that sort of thing. It's a bad thing to -HAVE- to pay for it, which again, I was under the impression that paying was mandatory.

The thing is, I don't see it as just buying the staff application privilege. You're donating for the clan's upkeep after all, which you get awarded with the ability to apply for staff membership, in the case you are too impatient to show people that you are active and staff-worthy. Which is also why I don't get why @Vector and @BelloWaldi think it's dumb, if it was how @Kitsune assumed it worked before, it would indeed be really fucking dumb.

I guess I'm just being too optimistic since I have no problem with giving more money to my favorite jewboy @Silence?

The thing is, I don't see it as just buying the staff application privilege. You're donating for the clan's upkeep after all, which you get awarded with the ability to apply for staff membership, in the case you are too impatient to show people that you are active and staff-worthy.

You're misunderstanding what a donation essentially is. A donation is a contribution made to benefit a cause, in this case to further the growth of Xeno Gamers. That's great and all, but donating is typically done of free-will and not because someone is obliged to do it. In this scenario, in order to just apply for Staff Membership, a user has to donate. There are no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts', if you don't "donate" then you don't have the privilege to apply for Staff. This, in and of itself, isn't donating. It's just masking the underlying "if you want this perk, you have to pay to get it" mentality. No matter how it's worded, people are being forced to have to pay to submit a Staff Application, plain and simple.

I get that it's a way to deter any 'bad' applicants and it keeps those who actually care about the community in mind, but I just don't agree with labeling it "donating" when it really isn't. At the very least, it should be reworded to emphasize that it's a one-time fee, not a donation.

All that aside, I'm curious to know (I asked in Shout Box last night but didn't see a reply) if there is a before/after comparison of the updates, or if the changes could be highlighted in some way so that Members can compare? Also, @Stickz for his opinion on the matter (assuming he has not been made aware) as there is a thread in the Nuclear Dawn division that does not require donations for Staff Submissions.

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