Member Application Changes

So does replying still take double vouches?

Won't lie, I partially agree with what Bach brought up. While this will make accepting Members a much faster process, it seems like the main factor here is being overlooked; this being that once someone gains Membership, they represent XenoGamers even more-so than an xG-Rep. My point being that it's crucial to have community input on someone before they gain Membership. The easier it is to get in, the easier it is for that person to potentially damage xG from the inside (through either wrong representation or to extremes such as gaining a Staff rank and abusing). 10 vouches wasn't impossible, you just had to actually try to get them. Whether that be actively playing on the Servers and making a name for yourself, or by getting involved in the community through forums or TeamSpeak (which is a whole 'nother matter as most people are confined within community channels). Now I know you could argue that by saying "Oh, but Forest, if they're so bad they'll just get -1 vouches anyways" but do keep in mind that it is incredibly easy to mask almost anything online, especially personality or behaviour. Just food for thought.

I'm also curious as to how Membership will work now that we no longer have Division specific qualifications. It was mentioned that the guidelines/rules are currently being worked on so if the following comments/questions will be addressed later then ignore the following:

If Membership qualifications are for a global Membership, will activity still work in the same way (IE. active in say, TF2)? And if this does go through, should the Division Manager(s) or Leader(s) really have a say in these new applicants? Seems to me that if it does go through, it would now fall under the jurisdiction of the Community Leaders. After all, Division Managers/Leaders are supposed to deal directly with content/issues/players that directly influence their Division. Seeing as how new applicants would not influence this any longer, Member Submissions would only be dealt with by Community Leaders (with community input of course). I get that 'segregation' is the biggest concern here, but I'm not so sure that altering the Member Submission guidelines will really influence things in the intended way, if anything it just creates more work, which brings me to my next concern.

Monitoring forum activity and TeamSpeak activity sounds simple enough and looks good on paper, but keep in mind that Member Submissions are cumulative; that is, we don't just get one submission after the next so much as we get multiple in one day. That being said, monitoring all of these applicants may put a huge strain on the Higher-Ups, I mean I personally would not be able to keep up. Especially given that, as previously mentioned, these applicants would be monitored by the Community Leaders which are few in number as is.

I may just be looking too deep into this, but it's still somewhat of a concern because chances are that if things do become too much to handle, these newly enacted rules will just slip back to the former lax ways of handling Member Submissions.

+1 has a mic

+1 Has life unlike me

If Membership qualifications are for a global Membership, will activity still work in the same way (IE. active in say, TF2)? And if this does go through, should the Division Manager(s) or Leader(s) really have a say in these new applicants? Seems to me that if it does go through, it would now fall under the jurisdiction of the Community Leaders. After all, Division Managers/Leaders are supposed to deal directly with content/issues/players that directly influence their Division. Seeing as how new applicants would not influence this any longer, Member Submissions would only be dealt with by Community Leaders (with community input of course). I get that 'segregation' is the biggest concern here, but I'm not so sure that altering the Member Submission guidelines will really influence things in the intended way, if anything it just creates more work, which brings me to my next concern.

If you check the application process, it still asks for a division the user is active on. This is to still give the division leader/manager a saying in the members application. However dm/dl usually were always to manage the division's staff and server structure, so it really wouldn't break much of anything.

I will be writing up a staff structure page to highlight what is expected of each rank (including members) so we can know exactly what we think is expected from everyone who wants to be a part of the community.

There will always be a TF2 vs. CS:GO. Since members will be more partial to one or another. (Except @Insane ;) )

Bruh I've been playing the shit out of Cs:GO. I'm even Silver 2 now fight me.

I will be writing up a staff structure page to highlight what is expected of each rank (including members) so we can know exactly what we think is expected from everyone who wants to be a part of the community.

I'm here to Netflix and chill with @Scootaloo (finally with the name) and @Bach and contribute nothing of value and that's just the way it is.

I figured i may as well throw in my two cents as well, being im normally 'lurking', but, personally, why does activity on teamspeak have to be a requirement now? I get its supposed to make the xG community come closer together (or so i think) but some of us (at least me anyway) either just dont want to have to be active on another piece of software, or personally, one that just didnt function properly with their computer..and if someone is already member prior to this, will they be eligible for removal of membership..?

who gives a shit, make avatars circles again

I'm even Silver 2 now fight me

Oh shit sorry. I didn't know we had a real man in here @Insane

Hurray! maybe in 30 days I can actually become a member instead of awkwardly asking my xg friends to vouch for me :^).

if someone is already member prior to this, will they be eligible for removal of membership..?

I imagine this only applies to any Member Submissions that were submitted before the creation of this thread, not to any current Members. The only reason for activity on TeamSpeak is just to foster a sense of community. It also greatly helps with the vouching process when you get to know people and users are far more likely to receive a vouch from someone they try to connect with on forums or on TeamSpeak rather than simply asking for vouches ingame.

I think that the old 10 +1 system was pretty alright, it required you to hop on ts and find friends in the div of your choice. You would play games with them and earn their trust. Eventually after being a part of the community for long enough or having met enough cool guys. You would put up a memeber sub. Thats how it should work and thats how it should stay. You don't need membership to be part of the community. Those words go out to cool guys like Lt. Dan and many others.

I am a fan of the global memebership idea but 5 +1 and a cl/dl +1 isnt enough to know if somebody is trust worthy and a cool guy. The person should find/befriend more people to hit the 10 +1 requirements. The age limitations need to be dropped for exceptional people, not everyone. The whole community with +1 power needs to agree upon their maturity and +1 or -1 based on that. Many young kids are not ready to be part of the clan, and I'm pretty sure you know why.

i already posted that before and i guess silence deleted it by force....

hmm

to that i say

FUCK THE SILENCE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE UNDERGROUND

A YOUNG TURKEY GOT IT BAD CAUSE I'M BROWN

AND NOT THE OTHER COLOR SO SILENCE THINKS

HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO BAN THE MINORITY

FUCK THAT SHIT!

CUZ I AIN'T THE ONE

FOR A PUNK ASS JEW WITH A CLAN LEADER TAG TO BE BEATIN' ON

Does this apply for recently made applications (Like mine)?