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but the whole point of hub originally was to unify the donation system and have it be a single central donation thing. that way someone donates $20 they get $20 of credits they can use on whatever, instead of $20 donation and choose: $20 credits or $20 donation package for TF2

 

correct me if I am wrong in that, but to me it would make sense to merge everything into hub and give people what they already donated for. it would also clean up sourcebans if we can remove all those people that have "admin" because it just gives them different custom flags in it for TF2 donations (there are literally like 420 different sourceban power groups for it, donator, super donator, ultra donator, mod xyz admin xyz)

Maybe in the future for TF2, but there's no reason to change their donation system as it is right now, nor do we know for sure if Minecraft will use credits or another system.

it would also clean up sourcebans if we can remove all those people that have "admin" because it just gives them different custom flags in it for TF2 donations (there are literally like 420 different sourceban power groups for it, donator, super donator, ultra donator, mod xyz admin xyz)

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask about this. Is there any way to completely remove those who have been added to Source Bans as Staff and have since been either demoted or have stepped down? Just curious.

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask about this. Is there any way to completely remove those who have been added to Source Bans as Staff and have since been either demoted or have stepped down? Just curious.

for clarity sake no, because then for older bans it says they were banned by Admin Deleted

for clarity sake no, because then for older bans it says they were banned by Admin Deleted

What's the issue with removing people who won't come back or who have been gone for years?

for clarity sake no, because then for older bans it says they were banned by Admin Deleted

Ahh, I gotcha. Fair enough.

What's the issue with removing people who won't come back or who have been gone for years?

It's a coin-toss really. When a perm'd player comes back to post a Ban Protest, and (90% of the time) the ban reason is incredibly vague or is lacking in detail, the only other way to determine what happened is the Staff Member who dealt the ban providing some context (assuming he/she even remembers or is around to even post). If the Admin is removed like Chrono said, they won't appear on Source Bans and at that point Staff will only have the offender's facts/information to rely on validity.

Sort of related, but one of the reasons I'm pushing for Staff to include either "int mf" or "acc mf" (intentional mass freekill vs accidental mfk) in their ban reason is to avoid situations exactly like that from occurring in the future. Either way, if possible, Staff should (at the very least) be detailed in their perm bans as a precautionary measure; just on the off-chance that the player posts a Ban Protest.

Ahh, I gotcha. Fair enough.

 

It's a coin-toss really. When a perm'd player comes back to post a Ban Protest, and (90% of the time) the ban reason is incredibly vague or is lacking in detail, the only other way to determine what happened is the Staff Member who dealt the ban providing some context (assuming he/she even remembers or is around to even post). If the Admin is removed like Chrono said, they won't appear on Source Bans and at that point Staff will only have the offender's facts/information to rely on validity.

 

Sort of related, but one of the reasons I'm pushing for Staff to include either "int mf" or "acc mf" (intentional mass freekill vs accidental mfk) in their ban reason is to avoid situations exactly like that from occurring in the future. Either way, if possible, Staff should (at the very least) be detailed in their perm bans to as a precautionary measure; just on the off-chance that the player posts a Ban Protest.

The reason I ask is because I doubt staff who have left 4-5 years ago will come back to the forums just to post why they banned so and so, nor might they remember any details past their ban reason (which would still be there even if you remove that said staff from source bans as ban reason doesn't disappear as far as I know)

People who mass freekill accidentally wouldn't be server banned nor should be perm banned from team either if it was determinable that it was truly accidental, of course unless they left the server but even then if it was accidental why would they leave the server instantly to receive a server ban in the first place. Regardless, I do agree with bans having more detail is something that staff should strive for as it saves a lot of time for future protests and prevents drawn out "he said she said" scenarios.

Ninja edit: Regardless, I think Chrono is right that as long as it's not an issue to people with sourcebans to navigate through people who used to have powers and who have powers currently, that keeping the people in sourcebans for clarity is a good enough reason to not remove them.

Sourcebans should stay how it is methinks

but the whole point of hub originally was to unify the donation system and have it be a single central donation thing. that way someone donates $20 they get $20 of credits they can use on whatever, instead of $20 donation and choose: $20 credits or $20 donation package for TF2

 

correct me if I am wrong in that, but to me it would make sense to merge everything into hub and give people what they already donated for. it would also clean up sourcebans if we can remove all those people that have "admin" because it just gives them different custom flags in it for TF2 donations (there are literally like 420 different sourceban power groups for it, donator, super donator, ultra donator, mod xyz admin xyz)

With regards to this, creating a universal hub is not difficult, as we already have MySQL servers set up correctly for this situation. The only difficulty would be adjusting the hub plugin to recognize a "_tf2" item vs a "_csgo" item cs a "_mc" item. Which would just need a flag and a parser to not get confused. Not as difficult. From my talks with @Rhododendron this was the first goal. Though development slipped away and died. Though I'm back from where I was, so I can be a more active person, which I'm sure I'll have fun and enjoy properly.

Now I have no clue how sourcebans works so I don't know wtf im talking about in regards to changing it.

But would it even be possible?

I find the system to be fairly... laggy... and somewhat difficult to navigate through. And as for the not being able to tell why someone was banned sometimes thing, do you think a "Details" type section (where the admin would fill out at the least a bare bone form detailing some points to give us a better idea as to why they were banned, rather than "Freekiller" or "scripter") would be even a smart thing to do?

Other than that, honestly my only comment about sourcebans is it feels outdated. Bad navigation and bad looks/response time.

ALSO CAN THERE BE A PERM OPTION FOR MODS PLEASE? I keep having to go to a DM/DL/A to get a ban changed every now and then ._.

Now I have no clue how sourcebans works so I don't know wtf im talking about in regards to changing it.

But would it even be possible?

 

I find the system to be fairly... laggy... and somewhat difficult to navigate through. And as for the not being able to tell why someone was banned sometimes thing, do you think a "Details" type section (where the admin would fill out at the least a bare bone form detailing some points to give us a better idea as to why they were banned, rather than "Freekiller" or "scripter") would be even a smart thing to do?

The SourceBans plugin that are on the servers have a pre-determined list of what you can ban for. For a "Quick and Easy" ban, though there is an option for a detailed explanation, though mods and higher are picked for their competency, so the members and xG staff can trust them and their bans. As well, if there's any confusion or issues they can be approached to explain their situation and opinion.

Other than that, honestly my only comment about sourcebans is it feels outdated. Bad navigation and bad looks/response time.

 

ALSO CAN THERE BE A PERM OPTION FOR MODS PLEASE? I keep having to go to a DM/DL/A to get a ban changed every now and then ._.

The plugin is old and mostly just fixed to make it work, the saying "Why fix it if it ain't broke" would apply here. Creating a brand new ban management system would take quite a while. Though there is the option to fix and touch it up. Also, mods should never have permanent ban options. The whole "Mod" concept is a "Mini-Admin", if you do well enough as a probationary admin, you get to be promoted into admin.

Now I have no clue how sourcebans works so I don't know wtf im talking about in regards to changing it.

But would it even be possible?

 

I find the system to be fairly... laggy... and somewhat difficult to navigate through. And as for the not being able to tell why someone was banned sometimes thing, do you think a "Details" type section (where the admin would fill out at the least a bare bone form detailing some points to give us a better idea as to why they were banned, rather than "Freekiller" or "scripter") would be even a smart thing to do?

 

Other than that, honestly my only comment about sourcebans is it feels outdated. Bad navigation and bad looks/response time.

 

ALSO CAN THERE BE A PERM OPTION FOR MODS PLEASE? I keep having to go to a DM/DL/A to get a ban changed every now and then ._.

Well, there IS actually a sourcebans that is still being updated. And I don't know why we don't swap to a more updated version.

It features:

Timed mutes, gags, and silence.

Easier time bans, such as hour, day, week, month, year, etc.

Example: !ban <user> hour <reason>

It is obviously more cared for, since its being updated. So less of the bugs would exist if we used it.

Links:

https://sbpp.sarabveer.me/ = Official Website

[RELEASE] SourceBans++ (v1.5.4.7) [updated: 2016-04-28] - AlliedModders = AlliedModders Thread

EDIT: I've used this before in my old surf server, and it all worked fine. Just thought I should include that before people say that, "Oh it's broken!"

Well, there IS actually a sourcebans that is still being updated. And I don't know why we don't swap to a more updated version.

 

It features:

Timed mutes, gags, and silence.

Easier time bans, such as hour, day, week, month, year, etc.

Example: !ban <user> hour <reason>

It is obviously more cared for, since its being updated. So less of the bugs would exist if we used it.

 

Links:

https://sbpp.sarabveer.me/ = Official Website

[RELEASE] SourceBans++ (v1.5.4.7) [updated: 2016-04-28] - AlliedModders = AlliedModders Thread

 

EDIT: I've used this before in my old surf server, and it all worked fine. Just thought I should include that before people say that, "Oh it's broken!"

An official update of the original, or a remake/fork? I've been out for 2 months, don't know any new changes.

An official update of the original, or a remake/fork? I've been out for 2 months, don't know any new changes.

Not from the original programmers of SourceMod, but it was built off of it. To further improve it.

Not from the original programmers of SourceMod, but it was built off of it. To further improve it.

Ah, good to know.

We are using that, it's only doing fixes with the code.