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If you guys don't want people to use sticky jumpers or any other weapon to reach the end of a surf map, the only solution is to disable them. So you can either have a surf server with the weapons enabled and put up with people using them, or disable the weapons and put up with people complaining about them being disabled. You can't have both. The only other option is to add a rule...which a plugin could easily solve, and mods would have to be on to enforce. That doesn't seem like a proper solution to me, but that's just my view. Don't know what else to tell you. ><

I'm confused. Was the complaint not that people were cheating in surf to reach the end, using weapons that gave an advantage? Yet if we remove those weapons, we'd be upsetting regulars who come to our surf server...to do combat? I don't understand. Do you want this to be a surf server or a combat server? You can't exactly do both and complain that there's imbalances when specific classes can reach the end with their weapons. IMHO, this server should have ALWAYS had a focus on the surf and not on combat, but any time I try and suggest changes to make it such, they automatically get shot down. I'm not quite sure what exactly you guys want. >.>

Is it not possible to implement a plugin similar to what JB has, that would restrict the use of specific weapons for certain classes? I know ReSurfed has a plugin that prevents you from using certain weapons on each class. For example, if you try to go Soldier and you have ANY RL equipped that does knockback, it simply doesn't allow you to switch to that weapon slot while spawned in game. That would surely fix it, right?

Well, I mean....not for two weeks it won't. I'm fine with keeping it open for the duration of the poll, but not if the duration is THAT long. I'll allow it to stay open if it's shortened to no longer than a week. It's honestly not necessary, and honestly isn't any of the players' concern how we manage the server. (Don't freak at this comment, just read on below for more.) 1. I don't exactly know why you'd dislike me giving my input, considering CM opinions go a LONG way on server decisions. It isn't something to get bent out of shape about. C'mon. 2. While I will agree with you about people having good reasons for disliking the map, I will disagree with you about those reasons being good reasons to be removed. There have been many people already who have commented on ways to avoid the issues they have with CyberPunk. Music slider and avoiding the disco room, etc etc. I know Moosty has the point about people with extrasensory issues, but then again, and I mean no disrespect to Moosty or his gripes, but maybe people with extrasensory issues shouldn't be playing fast-paced video games if they are being set off by flashing lights. 3. This issue has been danced around already in the past. People bitched about Cyberpunk, it was removed, and even MORE people bitched that it was gone. This is history literally repeating itself. This is honestly my biggest issue with your post. It is worded to make it sound like I don't have the community's opinion in mind and that I'm just trying to strong-arm my way. That's not what's happening. The first, major thing I want to address is that for whatever reason, the TF2 division has taken to the community's OPINIONS when it comes to map removals. That has NEVER been how it worked in the past. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you are not allowed to seek out the community's input, but I will tell you that I feel it is inappropriate to set the precedent that if people start polls and express dislike in a map in this forum, that the map could potentially be removed, especially when it isn't due to inherent flaws with the map, such as crashes or glitches, but instead due to preference. That's not a sound reason to remove a map. That is a STAFF responsibility, not a community one. It never has been and never should be a community issue. If we start asking for our community to make the decisions about maps on our servers, eventually people will find reasons to nit-pick everything we host into oblivion until there's nothing left. When I was DL over the TF2 division, these actions would have NEVER been allowed. I have no idea how it's being allowed now, but it isn't sitting right with me. If our members have issues with maps, it's okay to make threads to discuss reasons why they don't like a map, but they need to be addressing the division heads to express their concern, and these issues need to be discussed in the staff forums, not here in the public. I mean, this isn't even a forum for expressing dislike for a map just because you don't like it. It's a map request forum. How did it turn into this? I mean, most of the removal requests have logistical reasons to remove maps. This one...it has annoying music and flashing lights? There's nothing wrong with Cyberpunk. >.> I know you mean no beef with me over this, and I hope you understand I mean no beef with you with my reply. I simply want to give you a bit of perspective on what I am seeing, as the Community Manager. It's my job to take community issues and sort them out, for the entirety of the clan. TGH, whether you know it or not, is probably one of our most populated servers, and I can't simply sit idle as people begin voicing their concerns on this forum with the expectation that a map gets nixed. Sorry, but that isn't how it works. So, to meet you halfway, I won't shut down the thread, but I do request that the duration of the poll is lowered. The Edventures vote amassed something like 23 total votes. We're almost there. After the week is up, thread is to be closed and the results need to be taken into consideration, but the ultimate decision needs to be discussed in the staff forums. And from here on out, I would also request that users refrain from posting these kind of threads in the Map Request forum in the future. If necessary, we can make a separate forum for addressing issues with existing maps, but ever since this was added, it seems to be filled with requests to remove maps. That's kind of the opposite of what we were going for. We can't satisfy everyone. XD This is a forum for posting potential new maps, not for rioting to have maps removed. Let's follow the same protocol that has always been in place and start directing these ill feelings from our regulars to the division leaders, who can then discuss those issues in the staff forum. Is that a fair enough request of me? (I wrote up a pretty heated reply, took 30 minutes, reread, and decided to write this one instead. Hopefully it didn't come off too dickish. =/)

Rogueport was removed due to excessive server crashes, player sticking in teleports, horrible textures, and tele-camping problems. The map is NOT coming back.

Not gonna lie, but I'm not liking the "Let's remove all of the TGH maps I dislike" tirade ever since edventures got the axe. There's nothing wrong with cyberpunk. There's nothing wrong with echidna. They're both staples of our server. If you dislike either map, nominate something else when rotation happens or try playing on a different server while the map is active. My two cents. Thread will stay open until tomorrow, but I doubt there's going to be an avalanche of support to remove cyberpunk. The early results already show something like 75% of people want to keep it.

I mean, if you want. But do you think I'll follow that one? =p

This has been in the works for a while, and I'm sorry if it upsets any of you, especially because I consider SO MANY of you to be such close friends. But alas, the time has come for me to leave. Personal life calls, y'all. Literally. I'm leaving. For the Labor Day Weekend. Car is packed. Kids are antsy. Wife is breathing over my shoulder. Time to go spend the next four days in a cabin in the middle of nowhere, drinking my cares away and enjoying time with my family. AKA, NOT stepping down, just taking a short vacation. I'll probably be back Monday. :D

Soon.

I nominate 24/7 Walmart server instead of TGH. Then everyone can just be miserable all the time.

To piggyback on Bello's removal of the map, I'd just like to clarify the following: trade_edventures is not being completely removed from the server, just from rotation. This means the map can no longer be voted on or selected by the regular players. Admins+ can still change the map to edventures, but must first secure a 70%+ vote to do so, just like koth_wubwubwub and koth_trainsawlaser. Since there's such an outcry against the map, it only seems logical to ensure it can't be voted for anymore. That is all. =)

+1 Ehh sure. He bothered me to come vote, so I did. =p

I have a triple set, you Dinkleberg.

I never thought this would be my 1000th post. Enjoy it you filthy animals. #1000thPost

What, am I fucking leprechaun? XD

I really only have one question about all this... WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSEEE?!

All the munny mebe

lolwat whoru So much confusion. Account is a few months old, only has one status update, and this is the only post. lolwat

+1 A: 8 M: 9 Good guy. Always see him, especially in TGH, and a real pleasure to play with! :D

XenoGamers: Nothing Puckers Your Butthole Better. or XenoGamers: Just Do the Scootagoo. or XenoGamers: The Largest Collection of Girl Weiners This Side of Philadelphia. But in all seriousness, how about XenoGamers: A Different Way To Play I think this sounds epic af because the prefix "Xeno" means something different from the norm. Linguistically, it makes sense. :D

I like this.

I take two weeks to get prepared for the next school year and have my classroom in order, and I come back to the site being completely different, CLs being voted off the island, who the f is Aegean, and all sorts of other nonsense. xG: Keeping it fresh. =3 (I sent you a Friend Request @Aegean. Pls accept <3)