Scootaloo

Our original surf server had combat enabled. It was MUCH more player friendly, as if you want to focus on a beginner surf map I think you should make that a specific server. People love the combat currently!
 
I think you should use !friendly, and treat it like PKMN trade :D
 
We can also disable losing credits on a suicide for the server, so that shouldn't be a selling point!

oh man the proof is real

stuff like this bugs the crap out of me. LOOK if you feel you are being attacked and or having a problem, record it and and give to a CL. Doing nothing about it, only encourages the offender to do it thus making it possible for future members to be harassed as such with you, who could of done something, left the member to fend for themselves and gather evidence on their own. You don't need to leave or feel ashamed for doing something wrong. @Ohstopyou has a history of doing crap like this and that's the problem. If there is a repeat offender GET SOMEONE HIGHER INVOLVED. @DrLee @Hidingmaster are perfectly capable in handling situations such as yours. I don't have the whole story so i can't really say much but from your perspective there is something wrong. I don't really remember you (being banned for some months can do that) so i don't know what happened.

This is something that you need to see. Discretion is the key word.
 
Also can we please STOP telling people that if they ask for mod they automatically don't get it? just say something like, "Don't be f*cking annoying and they could possibly consider you as a candidate for staff membership.
 
also @Whyte 22 hours a day? god damn bro.

I'm not furthering this anymore. It's obvious to me you won't listen to anything I have to say, so I won't even bother. Don't know why I even tried, but somehow I've been put in a negative light because of it. Fuck me for wanting to help, right?
 
@Forest, sorry about the drama, but to me, it DL/DM...doesn't matter. Ever since I have been promoted, I have BUSTED MY ASS to help shape this community. I've helped renovate and create countless TF2 servers, orchestrated events, reworked rules and procedures, and have supervised the clan since day 1. I've made this place better since I arrived. And MANY will attest to my contributions. Literally the only thing I don't do that the DLs do is edit server files, because I don't have access. It isn't an entitlement thing, it's a selflessness thing. I don't HAVE to be here and deal with this shit. I choose to be here because I genuinely care about this community and the people in it. And when I catch shit for giving my opinion about a server and a game mode I am VERY well versed in, it just shows me the return in my investments. I've structured my comments well, and it's just been thrown in my face because I disagreed.
 
Doesn't seem like someone who has done so much for this community should be treated this way.

inb4 "Bach just got admin and he's already inactive."

One thing I do thing we need to implement is a map timer. No more than 15 minutes on any map without a change. Unless, of course, the server votes to extend. That's how most surf servers do it.
 
Also, can we PLEASE change the home map from Utopia to something else that doesn't have a large combat area that encourages camping? It's a great map, but too often people lose sight of actually surfing and just focus killing each other. I'm all for combat surf, but if you take out the surf, it's just combat. T.T

Every single one of these rules is absolutely useless to the surf server. The point of the server is to SURF. Combat shouldn't be considered AT ALL. Utopia has a lot of hidden areas because it REWARDS actually surfing.
 
Sorry Matsi, but this isn't a very good ruleset for the Surf Server. I don't feel it needs its standalone ruleset as there isn't anything special that needs to be addressed. We can just use the general server rules and be covered. And IIRC, there is spawn protection currently implemented on the server, so spawncamping ALSO shouldn't be an issue. If it isn't, we can change that and make sure it gets implemented. I'm also not sure if using the kill command even affects your teammates. It may do so in CS:GO, but I'm nearly 100% sure it does nothing on TF2.
 
As far as trying to regulate the kill command goes...that's not a good idea. If a normal surfer wants to use the server, his main focus will be surfing the map, meaning as soon as he hits the combat area, he's probably going to suicide. Hell, if I had it my way, I'd completely remove the combat areas of the maps we use and make it so the instant you fail the map, you spawn right back at the beginning. Too many times I log onto our surf server and NOBODY is surfing, but instead, all fighting each other in the combat zone. That's not what the server is for.
 
Ghosting...once again, our focus isn't combat. It's surf. Not an issue.
 
So...yeah. I appreciate the effort in trying to help, but this set of rules is in no way going to be implemented for the TF2 surf. If anything, we need to completely rework how the server is being handled, as it currently has too much focus on combat.
 
THAT BEING SAID, I do want to address a few issues with the server. For starters, God/Buddha mode is not accessible, and I don't believe any of the donator commands are either. I was also unable to force a map change the other day when the server glitched and wouldn't change on its own, even after a vote from the server, so that should probably be fixed too. Also, to comment on the /cptele command...why do we even have this? Going back to the whole idea that a surf map should be focusing on surfing, why do we need a teleport plugin when we should be surfing the map anyways? I feel like it's an excellent tool....if our primary focus is on Utopia, but it really shouldn't be. @Ohstopyou, any chance we could get those added/fixed?

One thing I do thing we need to implement is a map timer. No more than 15 minutes on any map without a change. Unless, of course, the server votes to extend. That's how most surf servers do it.
 
Also, can we PLEASE change the home map from Utopia to something else that doesn't have a large combat area that encourages camping? It's a great map, but too often people lose sight of actually surfing and just focus killing each other. I'm all for combat surf, but if you take out the surf, it's just combat. T.T

Every single one of these rules is absolutely useless to the surf server. The point of the server is to SURF. Combat shouldn't be considered AT ALL. Utopia has a lot of hidden areas because it REWARDS actually surfing.
 
Sorry Matsi, but this isn't a very good ruleset for the Surf Server. I don't feel it needs its standalone ruleset as there isn't anything special that needs to be addressed. We can just use the general server rules and be covered. And IIRC, there is spawn protection currently implemented on the server, so spawncamping ALSO shouldn't be an issue. If it isn't, we can change that and make sure it gets implemented. I'm also not sure if using the kill command even affects your teammates. It may do so in CS:GO, but I'm nearly 100% sure it does nothing on TF2.
 
As far as trying to regulate the kill command goes...that's not a good idea. If a normal surfer wants to use the server, his main focus will be surfing the map, meaning as soon as he hits the combat area, he's probably going to suicide. Hell, if I had it my way, I'd completely remove the combat areas of the maps we use and make it so the instant you fail the map, you spawn right back at the beginning. Too many times I log onto our surf server and NOBODY is surfing, but instead, all fighting each other in the combat zone. That's not what the server is for.
 
Ghosting...once again, our focus isn't combat. It's surf. Not an issue.
 
So...yeah. I appreciate the effort in trying to help, but this set of rules is in no way going to be implemented for the TF2 surf. If anything, we need to completely rework how the server is being handled, as it currently has too much focus on combat.
 
THAT BEING SAID, I do want to address a few issues with the server. For starters, God/Buddha mode is not accessible, and I don't believe any of the donator commands are either. I was also unable to force a map change the other day when the server glitched and wouldn't change on its own, even after a vote from the server, so that should probably be fixed too. Also, to comment on the /cptele command...why do we even have this? Going back to the whole idea that a surf map should be focusing on surfing, why do we need a teleport plugin when we should be surfing the map anyways? I feel like it's an excellent tool....if our primary focus is on Utopia, but it really shouldn't be. @Ohstopyou, any chance we could get those added/fixed?

>Pushes for the Surf Server in the first place.
>Has over 200 logged hours on ReSuSurfed
>Over 300 completed maps.
>Elite Ranked.
>"Have you even been on the surf server?"
 
Uwot. Guaranteed I log more time there than you do. And this is the problem. CURRENTLY, it's treated like 95% combat. That needs to change.
 
If the surf server were to be managed and played like an ACTUAL surf server, all the rules you suggested would be completely pointless. And I'm not about to start regulating the server as a deathmatch server. Sounds to me like you haven't even been on enough to see that we actually have other maps than Utopia.

Why is a nonmember posting an inactive thread?

I miss my Gebunkerii. T.T

Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
 
AngryBird, I suggest you learn to calm it down. You're lucky Rogue_Skittle is so lenient about things like this. Had it been me, you'd have received a minimum of a day ban for the sass. There's no need for so many warnings. Settle it the first time it's an issue.
 
Rogue, good job on keeping a level head. Commendable that you did so without losing your cool. Not too many mods act with such maturity. You weren't in the wrong here in the least.
 
Thread will be closed. Any further issues and further punishments will be administered. PLEASE do try and act like a level-headed human being, alright? We have to deal with a lot of nonsense day in and day out. One less nonsense is very much appreciated.

Sounds to me like you're upset because one of our mods took action against you for breaking one of our server rules.
 
Yeah, this isn't daycare. This isn't "First one to tattle is deemed in the right." If you're at fault over something, and you try and flip it around and present a nonexistent issue, I'm gonna get to the bottom of it and find out what's really happening.
 
I have it from a close authority that you want this thread closed. That isn't happening. I'm going to hear what Rogue_Skittle has to say on the subject at hand, and depending on the severity of YOUR actions, consequences may follow.
 
I don't take too kindly to others trying to cover their ass while they throw someone else under the bus for doing their job. That's a shitty thing to do.

God damn it, Iggy. You aren't getting permed. We love you, but you just need to be patient and wait out your ban. And stop being a butt.
 
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God damn it, Iggy. You aren't getting permed. We love you, but you just need to be patient and wait out your ban. And stop being a butt.
 
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God damn it, Iggy. You aren't getting permed. We love you, but you just need to be patient and wait out your ban. And stop being a butt.
 
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Too many inconsistencies in this story.
 
Sorry man, but if you really cared about playing on our servers, you wouldn't have waited a month and presented such an asinine and irregular story about why your free kill was justified. Ban stays in place.
 
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Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
 
AngryBird, I suggest you learn to calm it down. You're lucky Rogue_Skittle is so lenient about things like this. Had it been me, you'd have received a minimum of a day ban for the sass. There's no need for so many warnings. Settle it the first time it's an issue.
 
Rogue, good job on keeping a level head. Commendable that you did so without losing your cool. Not too many mods act with such maturity. You weren't in the wrong here in the least.
 
Thread will be closed. Any further issues and further punishments will be administered. PLEASE do try and act like a level-headed human being, alright? We have to deal with a lot of nonsense day in and day out. One less nonsense is very much appreciated.

Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
 
AngryBird, I suggest you learn to calm it down. You're lucky Rogue_Skittle is so lenient about things like this. Had it been me, you'd have received a minimum of a day ban for the sass. There's no need for so many warnings. Settle it the first time it's an issue.
 
Rogue, good job on keeping a level head. Commendable that you did so without losing your cool. Not too many mods act with such maturity. You weren't in the wrong here in the least.
 
Thread will be closed. Any further issues and further punishments will be administered. PLEASE do try and act like a level-headed human being, alright? We have to deal with a lot of nonsense day in and day out. One less nonsense is very much appreciated.

And yes @GreyIgnis , I DID reopen the thread to allow Vector have his final say, because unlike you, he can respond to a comment without resulting to petty insults and baseless claims. It seemed only appropriate, and I personally reviewed the comment before I allowed him to post. I also rejected your report, btw. Have an issue with me? Talk to me about it. Don't abuse our report system, please.

And yes @GreyIgnis , I DID reopen the thread to allow Vector have his final say, because unlike you, he can respond to a comment without resulting to petty insults and baseless claims. It seemed only appropriate, and I personally reviewed the comment before I allowed him to post. I also rejected your report, btw. Have an issue with me? Talk to me about it. Don't abuse our report system, please.

I too would like to take a moment to comment on how this entire ordeal was handled, because quite frankly, I have grown weary of having to deal with this issue and everyone else treating Vector like the second coming of Hitler himself.
 
Vector is NOT a bad dude, no matter how much our TF2 division wants him to be. He's a asshole. That's a given, and I don't mean that in any bad way other than being brutally honest about how brash he can be when dealing with other people. I know plenty of assholes personally, and I don't hold it against anyone. That's just how people can be. It's part of their personality. Some people are more brutally honest about things than others, and some simply do not go out of their way to try and sugar coat the things they say. Some people express themselves differently than others, and some are just .... buttholes. Vector just so happens to be OUR asshole. (srsly, the guy isn't even bad enough to deserve that label, but it's the best way I can put it without being a dick about it. XD)
 
I've never had any issues with Vector, but you guys have put me in a right awkward position with the label you've given him. You can't imagine how hard it is to have to cast a vote against a guy you've literally looked up to for YEARS, or to have to put him on the chopping block because everyone in the division under you have the emotional capacity of a whiny 5-year-old in a daycare who just had his teddy bear stolen and shit on by all the other kids. I don't want to be the guy to make the call to nix someone, especially when I want to look at the majority of the complainers and tell them to "Grow the hell up. If he bothers you, simply mute him." IT ISN'T THAT HARD.
 
I will admit that after Vector was demoted from Admin, he really seemed to drive it home and got under the skin of many of our users. I personally thought it was funny to see just how much the butthurt ran rampant across our community, but I was in no position to speak against the mobs. I did what I could to say my piece and make it known that I didn't have any personal issues with Vector, but I reflected that his actions could be deemed as hurtful to the clan as a whole. When the time came, he was ultimately banned for an accumulated amount of disrespect directed to many of the members here in our clan. The decision would have been reached regardless of my input, so there was no stopping it.
 
What was said was said, and what was done was done.
 
My issue with the situation really escalated when his ban was extended to permanent status without anyone giving notice. Had Vector been an ass before on our servers? Indeed, but his punishment was set in stone and elongated until October. So why was his punishment ultimately extended to permanent status for absolutely no reason, without the council of the DMs and DLs of our division? I was livid. It was unjust to permanently extend the punishment and go against the initial ruling of our staff. I made many moves to get that extension reduced back to the original length, and now Vector is primed to be unbanned in October.
 
But this inherent HATE against him is absolutely ridiculous. People post all the time and use him as an example, as if Vector is the worst thing to happen to this clan. News flash: HE ISN'T. If anything, Vector has shown exemplary efforts to remain civil in the face of the anger directed at him, and has shown, to me at least, incredible willingness to change for the better. Anyone who says he hasn't changed have obviously veered far away from even attempting to communicate with him, let alone get to know him. The biggest mystery to me is how he found the drive to even stay around. I know for a FACT if I was treated the way Vector was treated, I would have left and NEVER looked back.
 
All I am saying is that I am a firm believer that ANYONE can change, and I am a firm believer in second chances. Vector has served the time required of his punishment, and will continue to serve until his ban is lifted, and when he comes back to the servers, I will personally welcome him. And to anyone who automatically disregards him because of a personal bias, I emplore you to do the same: Give a second chance. If we automatically assume he cannot and will not change for the better, all it becomes is self-fulfilling prophecy when he doesn't meet our nonexistent expectations.
 
xG, seriously, Vector is not the super villain you want him to be, and it's unfair to treat him that way. Vector, you got the shit-end of the stick, and I am seriously sorry this played out the way it did. You're a chill dude when you don't have to deal with idiots. I look forward to seeing you in servers again.
 
@Vector

because i can say it to my friends like @ThePenguin @Tsuchikure @Bleed because they KNOW i am joking and we say it to each other ALL the time. There is a difference between saying it to friends and being serious and saying it on the servers.

if i say it constantly in a serious manner why didn't you record it?! Also i can't even remember the last time i was ever in a teamspeak room with you. The last time it was when you and i were banned and you were pissed. i am not joking, So how could you possibly know if i actually say it all the time when you don't even see me or talk to me on teamspeak? That's unfair to crusify me with no evidence.

You mean squeakers i defended when everyone on TGH shit talks them? dude i actually supported multiple squeakers (tails) from being ridiculed because of their voice. I said as long as they aren't annoying then it's fine and we actually had a bunch of cool squeakers on tf2. And no i never told a fucking squeaker to kill himself. So you are infact lying.

No? i was being harrassed cause i was talking about uncle grandpa and how i thought it was a quality television show. Belive it or not i was actually getting attacked i was asking FOR YOUR help but you didn't do anything which is why i went into teamspeak and asked why you weren't doing anything. You then proceeded to BM me saying i was full of shit for liking the show. Okay. sure.

Why would i tell someone to kill themselves when i am the one who actively wanted the kill urself rule to be completely revised? Why did i talk to scootaloo, moosty, and other tf2 higher ups about this topic that spanded like 4 - 5 threads??

Again, if i say it all the time, why hasn't it ever been brought up? why is there no evidence if i say it all the time? i mentioned already that there are people looking at all my chat logs hoping to find something to get me permed. the excuse "oh i can't record everything" is a dumb excuse because i can't fucking defend myself.

but you and multiple other people said in this thread that it isn't related, so why would it matter if i was unban if it was a ban protest??? Also it wasn't my fault that you weren't unbanned, they were discussing if you should be unbanned. i have no idea why it took a week, that's the ban handler's problem.

excpet it wasn't because it was against someone apart of the community, it wasn't just a tf2 div thing as it effected everything. if you're server banned in tf2, your server banned in all xg servers. it was an xG problem.

then why are you talking to me right now? talking about my ban and everything about me? why did you respond to Vector posts in this thread? Also i don't give a f*ck about me doesn't make you look any better dude, if you're protesting disrespect and toxicity you should at least try and be civil.

You guys want to +1 him for this? when ever he sees me he just wants to tell me to fuck off? are you for real dude? just ignore me, why do you even need to acknowledge me, infact to go so far to tell me to fuck off.

dude this is a gaming community man. not real life.

so insulting me for no reason is change? are you serious? "i'm gonna be nice to everyone except vector, i'm gonna call him annoying, tell him to fuck off, and say "HEY GUYS! I CHANGED! LOOK, I'M NOT INSULTING YOU GUYS ANYMORE BUT I'M INSULTING A GUY YOU ALL HATE! SEE?! I'M PART OF THE GROUP NOW" no. that's not how it goes dude. infact i find it offensive.

I'm not letting this thread diminish into yet another flame war involving whether Vector does or does not deserve his punishment. Iggy will wait out his ban just like Vector will. See you both in October.
 
Thread closed.
 
EDIT: Thread is being reopened momentarily so Vector may make one final response to the whole situation, then will be closed permanently.