Sylux

+1 I think my reasoning is clear

I remain neutral on the main sylux situation, however +1 for an extension to Zack’s ban because, although like @Elcark said he wasn’t acting the same in this situation, he’s had way too many instances of toxicity and instigating in the past without punishment past gags and mutes.

Zack wasn't banned he was only gagged for 24 hours

I'm going to say it how it is Elcark, I don't like you and I never have and you don't like me and never have it's clear. You are good friends with zack because I joined tgh went it was just 3 players you and zack being on a team to start popluating the server. Even when he was flaming my team mate you both just casually laughed it off and you have always stuck out for him. I could argue with you forever about how he is the instigator and locals who saw would agree and you can argue forever that I am the instigtator and you have your furry friends to help.

I do believe i was never kicked or muted for any part in the zack situations, maybe if I was defending val but I can't see when I was kicked/gagged for zack discussions. :thinking: Again you can just make up your side like the 'following' situation when infact me and queen went there to duel because we were tired of his tgh rage, you will always say nono zack said this or no i saw this etc but at this point it's clear it's just a grudge. You are a DM and you have this bias, you are thinking for your friends first over the conrete facts and are doing all you can do to oppose it. There is a reason people are saying they just took zack's bullying :whistle: For the final time i'd like to state he was muted several times by mute client side when he was just flaming as there is little to no point when you just want to frag. 'clearly has a history of this kind of behavior. If his previous history had consisted of just the single day ban mentioned for similar behavior then this time frame would clearly be out of the quest' you are ignoring the history part still, honestly this is one of the most frustrating discussions as people are not listening.

As you stated lets not let this spiral out of control, which you claimed earlier but still replied even though I didn't to help de-escalate it all.

I looked into it myself. It was you.

Of course you did buddy, show me some of this research you conducted.

Unfortunately the discord where I posted it I'm not longer in. Myself being staff and @Vexx being the person I told (as I said I believe I told him) should be enough.

This is far from the first time I've had to warn either of you two about this behavior. If you genuinely do not understand how using a bind for the sole purpose of trying to agitate another player could be against the rules to not disrespect or troll someone then I don't even know where to begin. When someone is clearly upset for you doing such, how is it hard to understand to respect their wishes and not be a prick to them?

You use these binds for the sole purpose of trying to instigate a reaction from him as well as mock him, acting like a child repeating what someone else said.

 

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Zack the Sharko Can you not use that bind sylux?

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Sylux Zack the Sharko : Can you not use that bind sylux?

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Sylux Zack the Sharko : !calladmin

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Sylux Scalie Zack the Sharko : My grandpartents could easily kick your fucking ass kid

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Zack the Sharko Sylux is harassing me

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Sylux Zack the Sharko : Sylux is harassing me

 

 

It does not matter who started what, it's insane to think you would find this the appropriate way to behave towards someone else. You've straight up followed him to a different server in the past just so you could continue to disrupt and make fun of him.

 

Now in terms of your history, it's incredibly clear you've had issues with harassing others and trying to start shit on the server in the past. One could argue that people can change and thus their past history doesn't reflect on them now. Your actions are anything but. You've continued this incredibly toxic behavior both in the past, present, and in between and have been warned about it a mindful number of times. You are always responsible for your past grievances especially when you haven't changed from the behavior that lead to them at all. When these punishments that were placed against you in the past clearly did not affect this behavior that you are still displaying, a more severe punishment is the only thing that could be put in place. A slap on the wrist didn't work before, why would it work now?

If someone is bothering you and aren't breaking rules, you can clientside mute them. If they are breaking rules, you can report them. At no point should you ever try to "strike out" back at them. You clearly don't understand that.

Ahh his royal highness has actually replied to my thread instead of telling others to say your messages, what a time to be alive!

Firstly zack has always approached me with the largest lack of respect and slurs when playing, I was bound to reply one day after he was complaining about dying in a game (he could use the !friendly command). Zack has never apologized due to egotism and claims others are the egotisical ones as they are now apologizing for fighting back against his bullying manorisms.

I explained in the first post (if you read it all) that I did not 'follow' him and that so many of his aligations are false. I have a banner on the bottom of my profile of the time spent on pkmn and the fact I went to another server with him there was purely coincidental. I do not have time to disprove all his bullshit and I'm sorry he's been able to manipualte you so much, thankfully when he was bossing krampus to ban me he actually didn't.

You claim who started it isn't RELEVANT, when someone joins the server cursing and giving players grief and the players who respond are penalisted for it based on them being in a friend group. I really wish voice chat was recorded :(

@LAN_Megalodon Thanks for sticking up the underdog but it is not fair you get dislike spammed by the winslow brothers for your opinion, I do appreciate your comment and I hope you will not be targeted for it.

I'ma just start off my responses by saying my side of the situation. I had just logged onto tf2 when I had gotten a notification from a friend who was also on the server witnessing what was happening, who told me that sylux had been harassing zack with his binds. So I got to tgh and when I first get on the server I instantly hear basically the same thing over and over again which is zack yelling about how sylux should be banned for targeting him, trolling, and the such in game, which I do get his point that sylux had been trying to troll him, but we do have the friendly and client side mute which can be used for stuff as simple as this. What I saw on Sylux's side was that he was basically doing the bind and joking about zack complaining from him killing him and the bind, which for this it is still pretty bad, but it was still a bit overreaction on zacks side which he has done multiple times in the past and he definitely isn't really any better at times with his responses to people killing him or anything of the sort. So anyway I can instantly can tell that their argument was going nowhere as it was about something very basic and both were egging each other on so I warned them both to stop the fight now and not to talk to each other at all for the most part so that it would end the argument, otherwise I would gag them . Which they had stopped for about five minutes before Zack started going on again about how Sylux should be banned ignoring how I had told them both to stop, where sylux went on also calling zack a kid and saying how he is still talking to agitate zack so I decided to gag them both. Which after that Elcark joined and month banned sylux from previous offenses.

 

Also about the binds and warning him, when I first had gotten there the binds did not appear to be that bad to warrant that much concern but after a while of seeing the situation go on and being told by other staff about how it is a bit too much I then did warn him not to use the bind, which shouldn't have mattered much anyway considering both were supposed to not be talking to each other in general to stop them from instigating.

 

In my opinion they were both in the wrong here as you were fully aware about how you were egging him on and how he would respond to it, and how that does not give Zack an excuse to react the way he did either. So I see it that it should be -1 for unban but to me a week ban would be more justified considering both sides were at blame for the most part and it did not seem severe enough to jump from the previous day ban a year ago (yes I know that there is no decay and that he has had future altercations) to a month now, but then again everyone does have their own opinion for how bad something truly is so I do understand why others would see a month to be more suiting. Also about your ban request for Zack I would actually have to say +1 for atleast a day ban for some kind of real record, I know that he had received a day mute and does not get in trouble as much as you but he was not really any better with his reaction to Sylux's actions, and how this has happened multiple times in the past and never payed much mind for the most part.

Thank you krampus for telling me your side, a few questions though.. who is the friend who claims i 'harassing' zacko was it a furry - perhaps a friend of the furry gang or whatever you call them?

Yes zack was very quick to kick and shout how I should be banned etc when I muted him as he was not getting his way.

I'm sorry, I don't like getting into arguments here, but I can't with a good conscience support the idea of someone getting a month ban for using binds that some other player didn't like. Especially so in the case of Zack, like I have no problem with the dude, but he doesn't even try to be non-confrontational. He is by one of the most toxic and most dramatic of our semi-regular players, and most of the shit he gives people is almost always completely unprovoked.

 

Additionally calling direct quotes harassment is a real fucking stretch even if the player being quoted in question doesn't like it. Wikipedia pointing out that Michael Richards was in fact an idiot who shouted racially charged slurs via a direct quote isn't "harassment", it's not up to other people to forgive and forget your idiocy and move on. If you said something stupid, you have to correct the record yourself, not just expect other people to drop it.

 

On an unrelated note, I think one of the main reasons other people aren't protesting against Sylux's ban is because he isn't part of any real "in" group. He doesn't have 9 to 13 people in a discord to back him up regardless of what happens, and I do think that people who don't like him (rightly or wrongly) are going to try and use it against him. The best part is, I personally have witnessed other people within in groups trying to target Zack in order to set him off, and I myself was guilty of the same when I didn't really know much about him, which really leaves me no choice but to assume there's some form of bias here.

 

Sylux's supposed previous infractions are months old, and I doubt his intentions in this case were to do anything but swing back. Justifiably so in my opinion. If each party was given a day ban for bickering, whatever, but a month is too much to throw on a single individual regardless of past bans.

 

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Lan as the genuine and likeable guy you are I am very thankful you talked about the obvious issue outside of the thread. Never have I seen a moderator be so liked whilst being firm and fair on the rules, you have been single handily keeping players on the pkmn server as we all know it is sadly dying so I want to thank you for that here on the public forums.

I am definitely preaching against a mass who are heavily against me based on bias and I do not talk to any as I just enjoy the server. I hear from time to time how I am a topic of discussion of some sort of discord or some steam chat is sent to me but honestly it doesn't phase me. I knew being alone trying to stand up for yourself doesn't go a long way when a clan is split into groups, especially when you are protesting against one of the members in a group.

Zack is actively recognized for his behaviour but is it acceptable on him by his clique associates :thinking:

It's not favoritism, it's protocol. The multiple issues include you going on an alternate account and being racist (including anonymous tip-offs and reports that I gave to I believe @Vexx though I may be mistaken), the history between you and Zack specifically arguing and the various times other staff have witnessed you on the server.

And what happened with me before was on the forums was just under 3 years ago. Pretty irrelevant

Are you fricking kidding me HAHA

"The multiple issues include you going on an alternate account and being racist (including anonymous tip-offs and reports that I gave to I believe @Vexx though I may be mistaken),"

That is complete speculation from one of you kids making up rubbish, you can track ips silly gooses. It's fair to say you've lost all credibility in this response since you're now using idle rumours as a point to jusifty my ban. I will use your line of 'irrelevant' to rice gum as you can claim what's relevant and not for your own personal gain

Unfortunately, the month ban was justified and even though some of these bans are from many months back, the reasons are mostly the same. Furthermore, as much of an inconvenience as it may be, those bans will always be on your record here.

 

I did ask @Elcark and and @Kypari if they wanted me to go on and get a demo, but they deemed it unnecessary due to the evidence already supplied in chat logs.

 

Zack was definitely out of line, too. Nobody is innocent here. He got his punishment, but as said before, his punishment was much less to yours due to it being him not having a ban history.

As mentioned above, using a players' past history of bans on servers is a terrible way to dictate a future punishment's duration. The common player the late teen catergory going into adulthood :thinking: . If you think a 1 day mute is a punishment for instigatin and pissing off a whole server and many of the regulars you need to re-think your policies.

I have said my points, sometimes once or twice to make them clear I will no longer reply to messages of the same points after I have explained the other wing. Thanks for the replies bros

The reason why Zack only received a day gag was because he had been in trouble notably less than you have, since he has been gagged for toxicity. He was going to receive a kick instead, but he left the server to calm down. That is why the day gag was suggested.

 

Your ban was for a month for using binds with the intent to instigate and argue with Zack. Considering your extensive ban history the ban was decided to be a month. There is no actual decay rule when it comes to time between bans, it's mostly just common sense. You have had multiple issues on the servers since your last ban, which is why the month ban was pushed.

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Thanks winslow brother 2, but again year gap is still a long time think of the changes you were faced over 2 years (especially sam) :thinking: 'Multiple issues' since the last ban however I have not been banned for such thing? The bind was only posted after he immediately joined and shit talked me and my friend for being there - if you are claiming his ban - sorry his mute is justified because of 'he had been in trouble notably less than you have' that is complete aids and is favouritism at it's maximum fitness.

Your ban history: Xeno Gamers

It's safe to say that you have long been due a month ban. Though Zack may have instigated an argument, you reacted to it and decided to use this to further irritate him. It is quite clear from your chat logs that your intentions were of trolling nature.

The main reason why you have a month ban is due to ban history. Whilst you have been banned for multiple days and weeks, you have always escaped the full month ban. However, Zack has never received a ban before and therefore, received just a day long gag/mute.

Both of you were clearly in the wrong, it's just a matter of ban history that has given you this unfortunate ban.

Player Chat History | Xeno Gamers

Player Chat History | Xeno Gamers

 

I've got no problems with either parties, really. But the action taken by Elcark was justified. -1

:thinking: Using ban history as logic for a future ban which is nearly a year later seems weak. A whole year has passed in that time. On to your second point: 'you reacted to it and decided to use this to further irritate him.' this point i can't fully understand as I had explained he was eventually muted as well as if someone is continually talking shit about you about a matter months ago(which most of you edgy kids still do - why i don't talk to 90% of you) you want to solve the issue and ask them, even when using logic Zack the sharko would not even listen and continue his splurge of nonsense. Lastly, your player chat history seems ok to me, zacks seem more tame in those instances but I can assure the voice chat was nothing of the sort. Perhaps if I am going to talk I should use voice chat instead as text chat is commonly used as evidence. Also Zacks' logs contain call admin spam and fully of lies :thinking: isn't call admin spam also against the rules? You can still see him initiating the chat also. As much as I disagree with your message thanks for actually posting

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I can't go offline for more than 2 weeks without some drama. :rolleyes:

Basing your whole thread on speculation is your biggest downfall, this is all just assumption and haven't 1) talked with me, 2) talked with the workshop author, 3) checked the map formatting. Firstly you continued to make a thread which is embarrassing as hell for you when basing with just assumption. You removed and didn't responded to my message on steam so

I was told this recently and talked to Sylux about it briefly but he feels that he "doesn't need to prove shit."

The fact you failed to keep me added and discuss/ hear the other side and just flat out remove me to post on forums shows to me you only want drama. HMK is only my friendlist and from day 1 I have said HMK is the texture man, nearly all are by hk in-which they are called 'hk_tree' etc.

This map has been through several variations following player input and thus was changed to 'open' which makes it obsolete from being a route, the map doesn't have a proper name as it's not finished and the final various were still in the works.

It's such a shame when you do nice things for the community and people try and piss all over it, espcially from someone who I thought was mature, very odd behaviour kid you should get that drama fetish fixed.

- @Bello @Vexx @virr

If you need any proof etc that the map is fine to use please let me know.

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replace it with this

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because this is a quality meme

 

all with me say "aye"

If it's ok with the map dev, I can replace it with this.

+1 active mature and promoted the rules

+1 was a great admin and cares a lot about the tf2 side

+1 really good guy who is super chill, it was sad when we lost him and have wanted him since

I'll give it a 10/10 as it's the characters I'd probably type if I mashed the keyboard in rage

my ability would be to grow hotdogs for fingers and toes.

I feel like I'm in the minority's when I say this but I disliked metroid other M. It's not a bad game but it's just no where near the level of the prime series and the story line was so tidious to me. The graphics were great and some of the puzzles were fun, however this wasn't enough to redeem the game for to want to replay it.

Good review by the way. :)

@Bags

@james8470 my hero

:emoji_call_me: Bye James have fun!

And remember...

Yes! Please make an oubliette map!

Yes my boy bags, also ctf oubliette will be updated soon.

Will make metroid oubliette koth

Pls free whillie.

@TBOHB

Edit: managed to download a huge pack of Pokemon 3D. Net textures which look sweet as well as some shit(wailord) and some good models(ian the sharpedo @LAN_Megalodon ).

Fuck man, that actually looks sick, wish I could be on the servers today to test out the new digs :emoji_ok_hand::emoji_ok_hand::emoji_ok_hand::emoji_ok_hand:

Thanks Tat :)

I wish i had a computer

I'll try and start recording the maps when being tested, such as Lilicove, pallet, oldale and oubliette. :)