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Mesa was the first ever mao I played on (some of the happiest days of my ife in surfing)

So, i remember when xG Surf had Mesa on it's map list for a short while, but it was taken off because it ran into issues due to the fact it was one main spawn for both teams. Well, I was thinking about possibilities to fix the spawnkilling issue so that everybody could enjoy the lovely map that is surf_mesa. The possibilities i have in mind are:
 
-Implement a plugin that forces everybody into friendly mode for that certain map (if that's possible)
-Make it so that the invincibility of each player lasts until they leave the spawn area (once again, only if it's possible)
-Force everyone on the same team for the map
 
So the three ideas above are what could be done if it's possible, and wouldn't have that many implications (I'm assuming?). One idea that is realistic but might be looked down upon is that the rule of "No Spawnkilling" could have an exception for maps of this nature, and people could simply do !friendly if they don't want to die.
 
I know there are a quite a bit of people who would like Mesa back, but this is still just a suggestion. Thanks for reading.
 
NOTE: I am suggesting to reimplement mesa, not just change the rule for other maps like it, if that was not already crystal clear.

I do like this idea, however it has multiple issues making it do more bad than good.
We would have to have staff on 24/7 to make sure no one is breaking that rule, forcing us to have to spy on all the demoman and soldiers making it a lot more difficult to focus on other rules being broken.
 
Even when staff aren't on, I highly doubt that anyone would bother to !calladmin on anyone breaking the rule as pretty much no-one bothers to read the rules anyway.
 
Good idea, but no. -1

it´s not simple , cause they type !motd and then they said "That´s not against the rules". we need that rule ..for me is easy to find those guys
 
[example]. " if the surf map is tier 4 and anyone can´t beat it and then you see someone at the end"
...You think "wow that guy is good at surf" then when you spec him .you see how he beat the surf map using the cheap way,
 
that´s unfair . he must to surf .... that´s because everyone is mad with it . i have been playing that server since 2015. i know all the players . i know their skills .
 
 
don´t remove stickies jumpers and Rocket jumpers . Cause supreme is right if you remove those weapons the server die .
 
For me the best Solution is putting a new rule, "you must not complete the map using the cheap way (using demo and not surfing at all)"

i think you had better to put that rule, cause our active members dislike those cheaters guys
 
We need that rule to put order and balance in our server

If you notice rulebreakers and no staff are on, don't expect staff to know there is an issue without using !calladmin. If you see something wrong or someone breaking the rules, calladmin is your friend.
 
I am not vouching however because I do not know you, I just wanted to make you aware of the command, when used it sends all of the staff a message immediately and any staff on that is able to handle it will come as soon as possible. If you want to calladmin without other players knowing type /calladmin instead. I hope this helps any confusion.

I completely agree with this. The biggest reason for people to do this is because there is nothing saying its not allowed. therefore nothing can happen to someone that does it. If we add something to the rules that goes along the lines of don't cheat to finish the map, Most will stop doing it, the small portion that continues to do it will simple be punished and it would quickly be eradicated as a whole. In my opinion this is a win-win situation, people would stop doing this with minimum effort and no weapons would have to be banned therefore no one is butthurt. Even if it is not entirely enforced just the fact that people could 'now' be punished for it would be enough for most. It would be enforced as much as spawn killing is or even less it wouldn't totally 'matter'.

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I have requested an application to join XenoGamers mainly since I have witnessed a few abuse and rule breakers on XenoGamers severs and I could not do much to stop and there are no moderators or members to help witness and stop this, I would like to stop these types of things from happening. Thank you for your time

Wait? Where is the Smash Bros Division, dont they get some love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dax71AeDUIg there go fam, a whole good "8 secs" of a clip

I will most likely try my hand at it as I have free time currently just job hunting, I do like the panzoid intros for future content we make, but we definitely need to work on it to make it custom and special to xG itself (:

Good luck with VSH. Tho if you really want vid from it, just msg. I can get the top VSH players to do it :^)

way too generic

Who are you again?

@serbiansnaga you gonna be getting on the servers anytime soon?

I'm confused.
 
Was the complaint not that people were cheating in surf to reach the end, using weapons that gave an advantage? Yet if we remove those weapons, we'd be upsetting regulars who come to our surf server...to do combat?
 
I don't understand. Do you want this to be a surf server or a combat server? You can't exactly do both and complain that there's imbalances when specific classes can reach the end with their weapons.
 
IMHO, this server should have ALWAYS had a focus on the surf and not on combat, but any time I try and suggest changes to make it such, they automatically get shot down.
 
I'm not quite sure what exactly you guys want. >.>

Hell no, If we disabled rocket launchers and sticky jumpers, we would lose a lot of players, get many complaints about it, a lot of people enjoy market gardening and sticky jumping because the maps have a lot of space to do so. And we just have a lot of regulars that play soldier and demoman.

Jesus, my pc breaks then all the old people start coming back.

You should visit our surf server , cause it change at all ... We have funny people saying random things , telling their life and also being friendly with other.

We are both, if we were just surf we would not have maps with jail, most people attempting to surf but don't get far hang out and just combat because they enjoy the people in the server and just have fun chatting and battling. Taking away those 2 weapons would cause chaos, trust me... We already get complaints about the little things ;p
 
 
Yes they are used for cheating but taking away two main weapons is just not a good idea at all.
Again, I wouldn't make it a heavily enforced rule, just if the power up for that specific map is an extremely big deal if they got it by cheating then yes, action would be taken, most of the maps power ups and extras is just like a small sniping spot or access to music or a few jail buttons.
 
Orbs and the maps I listed, those I see the issue with, but we don't have many of those.

Not really, not as i have seen anyway.
It is usually really combat based or in between, I have yet to see the server be more surf based.

We are both, if we were just surf we would not have maps with jail, most people attempting to surf but don't get far hang out and just combat because they enjoy the people in the server and just have fun chatting and battling. Taking away those 2 weapons would cause chaos, trust me... We already get complaints about the little things ;p
 
 
Yes they are used for cheating but taking away two main weapons is just not a good idea at all.
Again, I wouldn't make it a heavily enforced rule, just if the power up for that specific map is an extremely big deal if they got it by cheating then yes, action would be taken, most of the maps power ups and extras is just like a small sniping spot or access to music or a few jail buttons.
 
Orbs and the maps I listed, those I see the issue with, but we don't have many of those.

Thats kind of what you are going to have to expect in a suggestion thread, picking out the negatives and the positives.
 
As I said, making a rule for it, no one would follow it and it would be extremely difficult for us to keep track of considering we would have to constantly monitor demoman and soldiers.
 
Not many maps provide power-ups that are that big of a deal that the rule should be enforced on.
 
Currently I feel the only maps that this rule would be valid on is
surf_overlook_v2 - You spawn huge with 1500 health and bullet resistance, you also get infinite ammo.
surf_horizon - Gate Issues, If both teams have orb equipped, both spawn gates open and hell breaks loose with the spawn killing.
 
Other than that, I don't see much of an issue.
If staff see it as an issue or it is causing an issue only then should action be taken, but I don't think it should be heavily enforced.
 
 
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