MineCrack

Let's get this straight...
 
The solution here for a ban appeal on someone with a very minimal ban history, and a rich history of being a great staff member is to week ban him for a name on a server.
Not only that, his name wasn't even offensive, it was just Admins are Badmins. Are staff that fragile that a name criticizing you is warrant of a week ban? Ridiculous.
 
The fact this needs a ban is childish, the fact @Vexx or @Kypari didn't investigate anything is ridiculous.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

That is the words of players Aegean, Kypari is one of my staff. He knows what he's doing usually, and in the event sourcebans was working, he would've made the ban instead of me and nothing would have been changed. If I can't go on the word of my staff on the servers, how am I supposed to make an unbiased decision on most of what I am doing? I already said you were right, I should have gotten the other side of the story, but I will still in the end trust my admins with these sort of situations.

It doesn't matter if someone was once a great staff member, they should still be punished like a normal user nonetheless. I'll agree that yeah, a bit of criticism isn't bad, but if your entire intention for being on is just to start a shitstorm with the current staff online, why have that user around? As has been stated many times, Brian has had a history of insulting users and staff and has been quite toxic as of late.

I did? How did I not investigate it?

Well you are right, I should have gotten more to the story before putting in the ban, but I figured I'd do it because sourcebans wasn't working anyway, and @Kypari is one of my staff which of course I will trust him in most situations. As for @Brian's ban, I will propose we drop the ban down to a much lower time, as sure, a month ban may seem a bit much in the event he did not see his warnings. In the future though, please try to pay attention to chat in the event this comes up again. There's really no middle ground when it comes to warnings, we can't do voice because someone may have their sound muted, and we can only count on the user paying attention to the chat when it does come to warnings. When it comes to the time we should lower it to, I will propose we lower it to a week. The user in question still had the intention and a history of instigating our staff on the server, and I feel it would be completely unfair for us to drop the ban completely.

The most recent ban was two years ago. Based off of this thread, the tf2 higherups have showed zero scrutiny whilst dealing with this case. Vexx agrees with me, and your posts verify my statement. You don't get where I am "coming from" if you believe an offence from two years ago should be carried over for somebody making their name "admins are badmins."

No scrutiny.

Closing the thread now, as there no longer needs to be discussion.

The month ban was insanely excessive, especially with no kick and also with a ban on brian without getting his side.
His ban will stay to a day, will be discussed with the higherups but right now Silence and I both agree anything more than a day is excessive over something so small. We are not a clan based on censorship, and hopefully people's feelings can handle being called badmin.
PLEASE use common sense when making bans, and try to give adequate warnings before bans unless it's hacking or mass freekilling (which we have other rules for)
Ratings should not be considered personal attacks, as I was told in the past by the higher ups when I complained about it. That being said, if you're giving people FUCK OFF rating, you should not be complaining about it in the first place.
We are NOT a safe space

I will have huge discussions with our higher ups and then staff about what common sense means, and how we should try to be fair in all our bans, and try to understand that we should not strive for bans, but instead do our due diligence to get things resolved in a matter that everyone is happy. This is clearly a situation that has not met those standards. This fault also comes from myself for not being so involved with TF2, but I will be from now on.

You did zero research and went based off of other people said, then used that information in your post. There's no telling how correct your information is on Brian.
 
Rejects was cut a lot of slacks for blatantly lying and abusing his powers. I'm not going to hang on this too long to minimize the issues this thread is already causing people, but, the fact he was allowed to stay in this clan is definitely slack. This was probably a mixture of a lot of people liking him and slack for his work on the servers.
 
Now, banning someone for the name "admins are badmins" is not fair. That's just shows certain staff members have thin skins. Staff should never have to use their powers for insults against them unless they are getting flat out personal attacks or are disrupting the server.

You did zero research and went based off of other people said, then used that information in your post. There's no telling how correct your information is on Brian.
 
Rejects was cut a lot of slacks for blatantly lying and abusing his powers. I'm not going to hang on this too long to minimize the issues this thread is already causing people, but, the fact he was allowed to stay in this clan is definitely slack. This was probably a mixture of a lot of people liking him and slack for his work on the servers.
 
Now, banning someone for the name "admins are badmins" is not fair. That's just shows certain staff members have thin skins. Staff should never have to use their powers for insults against them unless they are getting flat out personal attacks or are disrupting the server.

You did zero research and went based off of other people said, then used that information in your post. There's no telling how correct your information is on Brian.
 
Rejects was cut a lot of slacks for blatantly lying and abusing his powers. I'm not going to hang on this too long to minimize the issues this thread is already causing people, but, the fact he was allowed to stay in this clan is definitely slack. This was probably a mixture of a lot of people liking him and slack for his work on the servers.
 
Now, banning someone for the name "admins are badmins" is not fair. That's just shows certain staff members have thin skins. Staff should never have to use their powers for insults against them unless they are getting flat out personal attacks or are disrupting the server.

Wrong, go look at my first post.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Let's get this straight...
 
The solution here for a ban appeal on someone with a very minimal ban history, and a rich history of being a great staff member is to week ban him for a name on a server.
Not only that, his name wasn't even offensive, it was just Admins are Badmins. Are staff that fragile that a name criticizing you is warrant of a week ban? Ridiculous.
 
The fact this needs a ban is childish, the fact @Vexx or @Kypari didn't investigate anything is ridiculous.

The most recent ban was two years ago. Based off of this thread, the tf2 higherups have showed zero scrutiny whilst dealing with this case. Vexx agrees with me, and your posts verify my statement. You don't get where I am "coming from" if you believe an offence from two years ago should be carried over for somebody making their name "admins are badmins."

Based on your previous posts, you didn't really investigate this entire situation. You don't really know the history of Brian and it sounds like you are just going based off of what other people are telling you. The way Brian was *insulting* you was agreeably childish, however, it should not warrant a ban. I mentioned the fact he was a good staff member because it implies he should have some slack cut for him. You know, the same slack rejects was cut for abusing his powers. At this point it seems like you can't handle being wrong.
 
 

 
Since you have failed to read all of my short, but important, thread responses I'll have to reiterate this for you. When you base a ban on someone's prior bans, then the substance of those bans matter. Meaning, bogus bans should not be considered. The majority of his previous bans are permanent, and also bogus. If you're going to be a staff member and leave input on a ban appeal then you must put in careful scrutiny into your actions on the appeal. You have failed to do that.

Based on your previous posts, you didn't really investigate this entire situation. You don't really know the history of Brian and it sounds like you are just going based off of what other people are telling you. The way Brian was *insulting* you was agreeably childish, however, it should not warrant a ban. I mentioned the fact he was a good staff member because it implies he should have some slack cut for him. You know, the same slack rejects was cut for abusing his powers. At this point it seems like you can't handle being wrong.
 
 

 
Since you have failed to read all of my short, but important, thread responses I'll have to reiterate this for you. When you base a ban on someone's prior bans, then the substance of those bans matter. Meaning, bogus bans should not be considered. The majority of his previous bans are permanent, and also bogus. If you're going to be a staff member and leave input on a ban appeal then you must put in careful scrutiny into your actions on the appeal. You have failed to do that.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Let's get this straight...
 
The solution here for a ban appeal on someone with a very minimal ban history, and a rich history of being a great staff member is to week ban him for a name on a server.
Not only that, his name wasn't even offensive, it was just Admins are Badmins. Are staff that fragile that a name criticizing you is warrant of a week ban? Ridiculous.
 
The fact this needs a ban is childish, the fact @Vexx or @Kypari didn't investigate anything is ridiculous.

Wrong, go look at my first post.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.