Scootaloo

Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
 
AngryBird, I suggest you learn to calm it down. You're lucky Rogue_Skittle is so lenient about things like this. Had it been me, you'd have received a minimum of a day ban for the sass. There's no need for so many warnings. Settle it the first time it's an issue.
 
Rogue, good job on keeping a level head. Commendable that you did so without losing your cool. Not too many mods act with such maturity. You weren't in the wrong here in the least.
 
Thread will be closed. Any further issues and further punishments will be administered. PLEASE do try and act like a level-headed human being, alright? We have to deal with a lot of nonsense day in and day out. One less nonsense is very much appreciated.

Black_Dynamite is correct. We typically don't take actions on claims unless they are substantiated by at least some form of proof. Rogue Skittles has never had any complaints or problems brought forth against him in the past. Do you have any sort of screenshots or video footage of his mistreatment towards you? If not, I'm afraid this thread will have to be closed. Thread has also been moved to the correct forum for the time being. I'm sure that if there were actions taken against you, they weren't done without reason.
 
Also, let's tag @Rogue_Skittle to see if we can shed some light on this situation.

Black_Dynamite is correct. We typically don't take actions on claims unless they are substantiated by at least some form of proof. Rogue Skittles has never had any complaints or problems brought forth against him in the past. Do you have any sort of screenshots or video footage of his mistreatment towards you? If not, I'm afraid this thread will have to be closed. Thread has also been moved to the correct forum for the time being. I'm sure that if there were actions taken against you, they weren't done without reason.
 
Also, let's tag @Rogue_Skittle to see if we can shed some light on this situation.

Sure I'll create the events on steam.

Alright guys, this Friday, I would really like to host some sort of server kickoff party so that we can begin trafficking to our newest server. I was thinking of maybe having Dethman schedule a TF2 populate event for the server, and I was also considering doing a ton of item raffles, including a few things out of my own personal backpack. If anyone would like to donate to the raffle to help get people into the server and get the word out that we have a new place for trades and events, I'd really appreciate it.
 
Let everyone know that this Friday evening, starting at about 5:00pm Mountain Time, that we will be meeting and populating our newest trade server. There will be games, giveaways, raffles, and prizes galore. I want it to be a big deal, and I want to hit server capacity as soon as possible, and keep it as booming as possible throughout the night, so that hopefully people will find it in the server list when they search the keyword "Trade". My thought is that if we can get it populated and flow in enough traffic, it will manage itself.
 
@Dethman, can we get a Populate event scheduled?

Alright guys, this Friday, I would really like to host some sort of server kickoff party so that we can begin trafficking to our newest server. I was thinking of maybe having Dethman schedule a TF2 populate event for the server, and I was also considering doing a ton of item raffles, including a few things out of my own personal backpack. If anyone would like to donate to the raffle to help get people into the server and get the word out that we have a new place for trades and events, I'd really appreciate it.
 
Let everyone know that this Friday evening, starting at about 5:00pm Mountain Time, that we will be meeting and populating our newest trade server. There will be games, giveaways, raffles, and prizes galore. I want it to be a big deal, and I want to hit server capacity as soon as possible, and keep it as booming as possible throughout the night, so that hopefully people will find it in the server list when they search the keyword "Trade". My thought is that if we can get it populated and flow in enough traffic, it will manage itself.
 
@Dethman, can we get a Populate event scheduled?

I too would like to take a moment to comment on how this entire ordeal was handled, because quite frankly, I have grown weary of having to deal with this issue and everyone else treating Vector like the second coming of Hitler himself.
 
Vector is NOT a bad dude, no matter how much our TF2 division wants him to be. He's a asshole. That's a given, and I don't mean that in any bad way other than being brutally honest about how brash he can be when dealing with other people. I know plenty of assholes personally, and I don't hold it against anyone. That's just how people can be. It's part of their personality. Some people are more brutally honest about things than others, and some simply do not go out of their way to try and sugar coat the things they say. Some people express themselves differently than others, and some are just .... buttholes. Vector just so happens to be OUR asshole. (srsly, the guy isn't even bad enough to deserve that label, but it's the best way I can put it without being a dick about it. XD)
 
I've never had any issues with Vector, but you guys have put me in a right awkward position with the label you've given him. You can't imagine how hard it is to have to cast a vote against a guy you've literally looked up to for YEARS, or to have to put him on the chopping block because everyone in the division under you have the emotional capacity of a whiny 5-year-old in a daycare who just had his teddy bear stolen and shit on by all the other kids. I don't want to be the guy to make the call to nix someone, especially when I want to look at the majority of the complainers and tell them to "Grow the hell up. If he bothers you, simply mute him." IT ISN'T THAT HARD.
 
I will admit that after Vector was demoted from Admin, he really seemed to drive it home and got under the skin of many of our users. I personally thought it was funny to see just how much the butthurt ran rampant across our community, but I was in no position to speak against the mobs. I did what I could to say my piece and make it known that I didn't have any personal issues with Vector, but I reflected that his actions could be deemed as hurtful to the clan as a whole. When the time came, he was ultimately banned for an accumulated amount of disrespect directed to many of the members here in our clan. The decision would have been reached regardless of my input, so there was no stopping it.
 
What was said was said, and what was done was done.
 
My issue with the situation really escalated when his ban was extended to permanent status without anyone giving notice. Had Vector been an ass before on our servers? Indeed, but his punishment was set in stone and elongated until October. So why was his punishment ultimately extended to permanent status for absolutely no reason, without the council of the DMs and DLs of our division? I was livid. It was unjust to permanently extend the punishment and go against the initial ruling of our staff. I made many moves to get that extension reduced back to the original length, and now Vector is primed to be unbanned in October.
 
But this inherent HATE against him is absolutely ridiculous. People post all the time and use him as an example, as if Vector is the worst thing to happen to this clan. News flash: HE ISN'T. If anything, Vector has shown exemplary efforts to remain civil in the face of the anger directed at him, and has shown, to me at least, incredible willingness to change for the better. Anyone who says he hasn't changed have obviously veered far away from even attempting to communicate with him, let alone get to know him. The biggest mystery to me is how he found the drive to even stay around. I know for a FACT if I was treated the way Vector was treated, I would have left and NEVER looked back.
 
All I am saying is that I am a firm believer that ANYONE can change, and I am a firm believer in second chances. Vector has served the time required of his punishment, and will continue to serve until his ban is lifted, and when he comes back to the servers, I will personally welcome him. And to anyone who automatically disregards him because of a personal bias, I emplore you to do the same: Give a second chance. If we automatically assume he cannot and will not change for the better, all it becomes is self-fulfilling prophecy when he doesn't meet our nonexistent expectations.
 
xG, seriously, Vector is not the super villain you want him to be, and it's unfair to treat him that way. Vector, you got the shit-end of the stick, and I am seriously sorry this played out the way it did. You're a chill dude when you don't have to deal with idiots. I look forward to seeing you in servers again.
 
@Vector

I too would like to take a moment to comment on how this entire ordeal was handled, because quite frankly, I have grown weary of having to deal with this issue and everyone else treating Vector like the second coming of Hitler himself.
 
Vector is NOT a bad dude, no matter how much our TF2 division wants him to be. He's a asshole. That's a given, and I don't mean that in any bad way other than being brutally honest about how brash he can be when dealing with other people. I know plenty of assholes personally, and I don't hold it against anyone. That's just how people can be. It's part of their personality. Some people are more brutally honest about things than others, and some simply do not go out of their way to try and sugar coat the things they say. Some people express themselves differently than others, and some are just .... buttholes. Vector just so happens to be OUR asshole. (srsly, the guy isn't even bad enough to deserve that label, but it's the best way I can put it without being a dick about it. XD)
 
I've never had any issues with Vector, but you guys have put me in a right awkward position with the label you've given him. You can't imagine how hard it is to have to cast a vote against a guy you've literally looked up to for YEARS, or to have to put him on the chopping block because everyone in the division under you have the emotional capacity of a whiny 5-year-old in a daycare who just had his teddy bear stolen and shit on by all the other kids. I don't want to be the guy to make the call to nix someone, especially when I want to look at the majority of the complainers and tell them to "Grow the hell up. If he bothers you, simply mute him." IT ISN'T THAT HARD.
 
I will admit that after Vector was demoted from Admin, he really seemed to drive it home and got under the skin of many of our users. I personally thought it was funny to see just how much the butthurt ran rampant across our community, but I was in no position to speak against the mobs. I did what I could to say my piece and make it known that I didn't have any personal issues with Vector, but I reflected that his actions could be deemed as hurtful to the clan as a whole. When the time came, he was ultimately banned for an accumulated amount of disrespect directed to many of the members here in our clan. The decision would have been reached regardless of my input, so there was no stopping it.
 
What was said was said, and what was done was done.
 
My issue with the situation really escalated when his ban was extended to permanent status without anyone giving notice. Had Vector been an ass before on our servers? Indeed, but his punishment was set in stone and elongated until October. So why was his punishment ultimately extended to permanent status for absolutely no reason, without the council of the DMs and DLs of our division? I was livid. It was unjust to permanently extend the punishment and go against the initial ruling of our staff. I made many moves to get that extension reduced back to the original length, and now Vector is primed to be unbanned in October.
 
But this inherent HATE against him is absolutely ridiculous. People post all the time and use him as an example, as if Vector is the worst thing to happen to this clan. News flash: HE ISN'T. If anything, Vector has shown exemplary efforts to remain civil in the face of the anger directed at him, and has shown, to me at least, incredible willingness to change for the better. Anyone who says he hasn't changed have obviously veered far away from even attempting to communicate with him, let alone get to know him. The biggest mystery to me is how he found the drive to even stay around. I know for a FACT if I was treated the way Vector was treated, I would have left and NEVER looked back.
 
All I am saying is that I am a firm believer that ANYONE can change, and I am a firm believer in second chances. Vector has served the time required of his punishment, and will continue to serve until his ban is lifted, and when he comes back to the servers, I will personally welcome him. And to anyone who automatically disregards him because of a personal bias, I emplore you to do the same: Give a second chance. If we automatically assume he cannot and will not change for the better, all it becomes is self-fulfilling prophecy when he doesn't meet our nonexistent expectations.
 
xG, seriously, Vector is not the super villain you want him to be, and it's unfair to treat him that way. Vector, you got the shit-end of the stick, and I am seriously sorry this played out the way it did. You're a chill dude when you don't have to deal with idiots. I look forward to seeing you in servers again.
 
@Vector

I'm back. Vacation was gud.

LOLOLOLOL LET'S TALK ABOUT VECTOR WITHOUT ACTUALLY TAGGING HIM XDXDXDXDXDXDXD first of all. let me go through all this shit.
 

ONE? Dude, you were just like me, you got banned because of disrespect and all of the other shit. It wasn't just for ONE person. if it was for ONE person your ban wouldn't be a perm nor a six. You don't even know why you're banned.

uh? no? this is f*cking false first of all, single outlet repeatedly? so what you're saying is in every single instance i am apart of, it's been disrespectful? no that's just ignorant. Now you're trying to throw me under the bus to make yourself seem better than you actually are. after you and i were unabnned you proceeded to annoy me and other CSS members in teamspeak talking shit about tf2 when we weren't even talking about them. Also i have only said kill yourself once to another member and i apologized to speed for it. So unless you have PROOF that i actually said something, stop saying stuff.

uh? really? because i would like to tell you that i'm still banned and i'm still waiting to be unbanned. Also you wanna talk about bias? look at all the shit i went through over the months with the higher ups in tf2, such as being permed again, for no reason, only for the CLs to be nice enough to reverse such a bad move. Also a DL telling me he doesn't read my comments (which means he can't tell if i have changed or not). also i had people going around recording my comments and my messages to find any sort of thing to get me permed. you don't know jack about favoritism, i swear the only reason i'm still not banned is because @DrLee is still here and i am not joking. Also,

again, people completely disregarding what i said to @ChickenPanda when i said (IN MY LATEST BAN PROTEST) that i guess i'll be a bit less hostile to people. You see this is the type of crap i put up with. No one wants to see any of the positives or the messages i convey in which contradict their statements. They just take what they either heard (not actually witnessed) or some information that is about 4-5 months out of date.
Also i was told my unban was September 23rd not october 23rd so i'm not even sure anymore.
 
I'm so sick and tired of people discussing my ban as if they know literally everything that came about. I'm also so annoyed that i am never tagged in anything so i can't defend myself and give an explanation. Rabid already made a thread about this sort of shit and we had a long ass discussion but people refuse to do so. I don't even know why i try anymore.

I'm back. Vacation was gud.

Only issue I'm seeing is that the server does not show up in our server list when you type /servers. Can that be fixed?
 
Oh, and Hub isn't active yet either. And Halloween could be activated too. <3
 
Also getting reports that not everyone has access to /ks. Doesn't allow some users to use it. And /grab needs to be a thing, just in case.
 
Lastly, is there ANY chance we could add some sort of jukebox/radio plugin to the server? It's awful quiet and I think it'd really help.
 
(Sorry I'm so demanding. T.T)

I talked to @Ohstopyou about it, and if Kbraszzz doesn't get to the fixes first, he said he'd do it over the weekend. =)

Only issue I'm seeing is that the server does not show up in our server list when you type /servers. Can that be fixed?
 
Oh, and Hub isn't active yet either. And Halloween could be activated too. <3
 
Also getting reports that not everyone has access to /ks. Doesn't allow some users to use it. And /grab needs to be a thing, just in case.
 
Lastly, is there ANY chance we could add some sort of jukebox/radio plugin to the server? It's awful quiet and I think it'd really help.
 
(Sorry I'm so demanding. T.T)

No. No. Also no.
 
If anything, put it lower on the donation list. But we added these commands to entice people to donate.
It does nothing for us making it available to all.
 
I fuck around on servers with commands like that all the time, as have other people. Its like a preview of what they can have.
(Other than robot. Cause like. No one ever does robot anyways)
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Go away.
 

You will get your commands from my cold dead hands.

It also isn't like we don't have server slots that aren't being used, either. When was the last time anyone even used Prop Hunt? I mean, no offense or anything, it just doesn't seem like that particular server ever has anyone online. Surely we could try and use it as a trade server?
 
I honestly feel like with the right people, xG Trade could be a huge success. All we have to do is direct trade traffic to it and it should flourish. Not Unusual Trade or High Profile focus, but just a trade server. I honestly think it's worth a shot.

Okay, so for the longest time, I have always associated xG with having a bunch of iconic servers. TGH, Pokemon, and JB all immediately come to mind. But one thing I have never associated our clan with was trading. I mean sure, every once in a while, I'll find a decent deal by someone in our servers, and I'll happily trade with someone for whatever they happen to be selling, but in all honesty, our Trade Gaming Server shouldn't even have "Trade" in the name. Pokemon is more about goofing off and casually fighting other players, but one thing that happens very little is any actual trading.
 
On a different note, over the past few days, a regular of our TGH server, (Ziron for those of you wondering), has been reaching out to me to help him coordinate giveaways of some high dollar items, including multiple Australiums, in the form of events planned by him where members had to kill him using only Melee while he was Pyro, or in the form of Heavy Boxing. Now, take a moment to think about this, what kind of organizing and headache do you think we dealt with on TGH, trying to keep the participants safe from griefers who just wanted to kill players? I can attest that it was a godawful nightmare.
 
So all of this got me thinking. TGH is all about capturing various video game experiences in the form of TF2 maps. Pokemon is all about goofing around in a Pokemon surrounding. Surf is Surf. JB is JB. FF2 is a legit popular game mode. All of our servers have purpose. The one purpose our servers aren't fulfilling is an actual trade server.
 
My proposal is this: Bring back an ACTUAL trade server. Let us use the map ColdEndeavor and I designed as an every-day trade map. We don't even have to put an emphasis on unusual trading. If there's anything I have learned over the past few days, it's that we need a sanctioned place where we can host events, giveaways, spycrabs, heavy boxing matches, and sniper duels without the fear of other people interfering. The unusual map is the perfect map to do that with.
 
Allow us to use the map as an ACTUAL trading server. Allow us to broadcast to our patrons that if anyone wishes to do any actual trading, the specified trade server would be the place to go. Give us an outlet to host events and giveaways without the fear of others ruining it, or without impeding on actual gameplay to do so. It gives us a server we have never really ever had, and it puts the magnificence that is ColdEndeavor's map to use.
 
@kbraszzz @Rejects @Moosty @Ohstopyou , what are your thoughts?

We don't need to necessarily do away with Prop Hunt, but I'd be pretty happy if we could do away with Gun Mettle, since nobody uses it at all. =)

User will not be unbanned. Wait out your week, and if you continue to be a nuisance after the week is up, we will move the ban to permanent status.
 
Bit of advice. Don't come waltzing in here like you own the place, expecting everyone to bend the knee just because you raise a bit of an attitude with my staff, ESPECIALLY if you were knowingly in the wrong. You pressed the issue as far as it would go, and now you get to pay for your actions.
 
Our system being broken in no way entitles you to abuse it. Even if there are faults, there are consequences for your actions, as you have learned first-hand. But we still have rules in place you are expected to adhere to, even if you find a loophole in the system. Not exploiting those bugs just so happens to be another rule we follow here, which means you are guilty of not only the evasion, but the bug abuse as well. Luckily for you, there is no hard evidence AGAINST you and what you did, so the ban cannot be further escalated.
 
To put it simply, I feel you're getting off light. And consider this your final warning: don't micspam at all when you return or you won't see another xG server again.
 
EDIT:
 
Photo proof of mute evasion. This isn't possible unless there's a way around it. Muted 3 times in 5 minutes? GG.

User will not be unbanned. Wait out your week, and if you continue to be a nuisance after the week is up, we will move the ban to permanent status.
 
Bit of advice. Don't come waltzing in here like you own the place, expecting everyone to bend the knee just because you raise a bit of an attitude with my staff, ESPECIALLY if you were knowingly in the wrong. You pressed the issue as far as it would go, and now you get to pay for your actions.
 
Our system being broken in no way entitles you to abuse it. Even if there are faults, there are consequences for your actions, as you have learned first-hand. But we still have rules in place you are expected to adhere to, even if you find a loophole in the system. Not exploiting those bugs just so happens to be another rule we follow here, which means you are guilty of not only the evasion, but the bug abuse as well. Luckily for you, there is no hard evidence AGAINST you and what you did, so the ban cannot be further escalated.
 
To put it simply, I feel you're getting off light. And consider this your final warning: don't micspam at all when you return or you won't see another xG server again.
 
EDIT:
 
Photo proof of mute evasion. This isn't possible unless there's a way around it. Muted 3 times in 5 minutes? GG.

User will not be unbanned. Wait out your week, and if you continue to be a nuisance after the week is up, we will move the ban to permanent status.
 
Bit of advice. Don't come waltzing in here like you own the place, expecting everyone to bend the knee just because you raise a bit of an attitude with my staff, ESPECIALLY if you were knowingly in the wrong. You pressed the issue as far as it would go, and now you get to pay for your actions.
 
Our system being broken in no way entitles you to abuse it. Even if there are faults, there are consequences for your actions, as you have learned first-hand. But we still have rules in place you are expected to adhere to, even if you find a loophole in the system. Not exploiting those bugs just so happens to be another rule we follow here, which means you are guilty of not only the evasion, but the bug abuse as well. Luckily for you, there is no hard evidence AGAINST you and what you did, so the ban cannot be further escalated.
 
To put it simply, I feel you're getting off light. And consider this your final warning: don't micspam at all when you return or you won't see another xG server again.
 
EDIT:
 
Photo proof of mute evasion. This isn't possible unless there's a way around it. Muted 3 times in 5 minutes? GG.

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Found these maps:
 
SCP: trade_scp (Team Fortress 2 > Maps > Trade) - GAMEBANANA
SM64 Whomp's Fortress: vsh_whompfortress (Team Fortress 2 > Maps > Versus Saxton Hale) - GAMEBANANA
Blood Gulch (Halo)(CTF): Halo BloodGultch (CTF) (Team Fortress 2 > Maps > Capture the Flag) - GAMEBANANA
Facing Worlds (UT): ctf_facing_worlds_2011 (Team Fortress 2 > Maps > Capture the Flag) - GAMEBANANA (Also already on FF2)
LOZ Eagle Dungeon: LOZ Dungeon Eagle (Team Fortress 2 > Maps > Arena) - GAMEBANANA
 
Also, the most recent addition, Rogueport I believe is what it's called? That map is REALLY bad. Missing textures and a couple places where you can actually fall through the map. Should probably be taken out.
 
We really should focus on keeping TGH all about old school game maps. That's what it should be.