Gwoash

Alright.
 
What has Moosty done in this situation:
Rejected Kitty's idea, called her salty, asked why she was still around (Kitty responds without seeming upset)
Then he replies to her long post, can kind of see how this is provocative, although still borderline rude.
 
What has Kitty done:
Responded to Moosty's post calling her salty and asking why she is still around. Essentially doesn't seem bothered by Moosty's post (never once called it rude or disrespectful), but answered all his questions and made it clear she doesn't want to be here.
 
Out of the blue, 9001% off the topic of the thread, Kitty says
 
"Shouldn't you be begging for food at the homeless shelter?
 
 
tramp."
 
That right there is retaliation. In case you didn't know, I personally warned Kitty quite a while ago to never retaliate and to get help if there is an issue, if she did retaliate there would be severe consequences. Oh and by the way, I can't believe you would EVER say this to someone, it crosses the line by miles.
 
So what does that mean?
Kitty is gonna be banned for this (you know, like permed), she knew very well how to handle the situation and went against prior warnings. No more small bans, she had a last chance and its over now.

What about Moosty?
 
Yes, we can perm him as well, but I don't see how that provides any benefit... Kitty gets banned, situation resolved. We ban moosty on top of that... really what benefit does the community get? IMO kitty has stuck around to cause problems (shoutbox especially). We certainly haven't had to deal with anything in regards to Moosty since his ban.
 
Kind of a crappy explanation but here is what should happen:
 
Kitty is getting permed.
Community decides if Moosty stays or gets permed as well.

I don't know how I feel about this, forcing people to act nice doesn't change the hatred deep inside, if you really want things to change - something else has to be done.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9BWM8lwOA

I don't know how I feel about this, forcing people to act nice doesn't change the hatred deep inside, if you really want things to change - something else has to be done.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9BWM8lwOA

How was it not instigated? To put it in another set of words, what Moosty basically said was "No, your idea sucks, we should keep it how it is and be more immature just to troll you." I don't know about you, but if someone was shooting down my idea specifically because they know it will get on my nerves and piss me off, I would be pretty damn pissed.
 
It was instigated, however that does not make it right.
 
Hidingmaster saying "we are past equal punishment" is honestly laughable in my opinion, if both are causing the same problem, then they should both be equally punished or not punished.
 
"I don't hate kitty but, you're fucking dumb" is essentially what a lot of people are posting, and if you look at it, a lot of you guys are moosty's friends, seems pretty biased/one-sided if you ask me, where is the objectivism from people?
 
My Proposal:
 
A) Ban them both, equal length in time, no possibility for protest, not perm.
 
B) Ban them both, perm, if one is unbanned via protest, the other is as well.
 
C) Do not ban them, make it known this shit is not going to be tolerated.
 
And option D) which is one that is forced upon you, after choosing one of the above: If shit happens again, ban the one trying to instigate it immediately, permanently. not just forums, servers as well.

Don't mind me I'll just sit in this corner and be disappointed at my entire division.

+/- 0. Why? I'll start with the following:
 
1.1 - Anyone using the most recent thread as a means of opinion is incredibly biased. After looking over the first page, it is apparent that Moosty instigated the whole damn thing with what he said, hence I deleted it. Should I have to, I can quote the moment he stepped too far in his ways. God forbid we ever get a thread that doesn't end up in a shit storm. The problem isn't the person, the problem is the way our Members react and reply to threads. I see so many acts of hostility on these things that it makes me shake my head. As a reminder, if you're going to instigate and cause a flame war with someone, you should damn well expect them to retaliate to it. No one's made of steel.
 
1.2 - And to those of you who think I'm siding with Kitty, I'm not. After a quick look at most of her posts, it is apparent that she is the type of person who takes great pride in what she says, does, and whatever position she is currently in. This behaviour results in a "I'm better than you" perspective, and I can see why those of you get upset over it. However, with that said, there wasn't an instance of this behaviour on that thread before the instigation. Again, proof of this can be provided should it be requested.
 
1.3 - I will also agree that the attitude toward TF2 as well as the TF2 Division needs to stop. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when someone is spouting off against something day in/day out it starts to become a problem, especially when part of it applies to one of our very own Divisions. While this is certainly a problem, I don't see it as a bannable offense so much as it is something to be warned of. For those of you who are angered with all of the warnings, keep in mind that these are in regards to different offenses, and therefore do not stack on each other. A quick example would be banning someone for freekilling because they broke a different rule that doesn't involve freekilling. While drastic, it is still a proper example and should obviously not happen.
 
1.4 - Finally, you're right, I have no idea why I still have powers. But as I said in that thread, I'll be damned if I let this stupid behaviour continue. Any other Staff could have stepped in, but it is obvious that they were busy or MIA, therefore I took it upon myself to stop all of the bullshit going on in there, so sue me. Maybe I'll finally have my powers taken away for doing something that should have been done, am I right?
 
Those of you who are basing your judgement from that thread alone need to check yourself, just saying. All I see are Members who are trying their hardest to use broken evidence (those using the previous thread as a basis for their vouch mind you) to boot someone, much like when a Member nitpicks about a Staff Member because they simply do not like them. I would also like to point out that just because someone is well known and popular, that doesn't mean they should automatically be in the right. This is in regards to mentions of Moosty being a "level-headed person". Hell, if I say something out of line or do something out of line, call me out on it. I know @Chrono does in a heart beat because he does what's right, and more often than not, he's right. Even here where Moosty thinks I did wrong in acting on a potential hazardous situation, which I am not saying was wrong. He is right, I shouldn't interfere with the affairs of another Division, let alone at all as I am just a Member, but I have my reasons for doing so which I have mentioned above (Point 1.4).
 
I won't have a TL;DR for this post as it is all honest opinion as well as reasoning, sorry folks. Those who care enough will give it a read.
 
- Dat guy, Forest

+1 active, somewhat mature though I still do have concerns about your real age; user has said he was 15 in previous submissions
meh, regardless - user has been around for eons and is still active. :)

hasn't seen the spray myself, but from the description it doesn't appear as bad as everyone's making it out to be
user doesn't seem like a complete asshole nor dumbass, has apologies for his mistakes and said he wont repeat
+1 for shorten the time/second chance

hasn't seen the spray myself, but from the description it doesn't appear as bad as everyone's making it out to be
user doesn't seem like a complete asshole nor dumbass, has apologies for his mistakes and said he wont repeat
+1 for shorten the time/second chance

Not to be a rule whore or anything, but since when did TF2 Staff have the jurisdiction to do this, and when/who permitted this to be allowed? I realize each Division has their own set of rules, but the general consensus of being a Staff Member carries over from every Division, ingame rules don't. Staff don't get their own special brand of law within another Server last I checked. Should also remove the whole "noballs" thing as that was phased out with the introduction of the Community Leaders. :coffee:

Banning the ways regulars kill people 90% of the time makes regulars leave

at least dota 2 > LoL ill give u some credit.

OP will not be unbanned.
-Closed

We should lower the age limit for applications to 13 years old, at least till this community becomes more populated. If a 13 year old makes an app, we should not -1 him on age but if he is immature and rude. Just an idea cl's @DrLee @Hidingmaster @Chrono @diabeetus @Bleed @ThePenguin and then our dark lord @Rhododendron

The whole just because you might get into xG does not.mean you get mod. That's what I interpreted out of those quotes

what are you implying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NFTtSe4Xvg

Its been around 3-4 years I guess? Like if I'd know. xG has gone downhill when the CSS servers went down, that's the only thing I really played on. Very few people still remain in xG so good luck people! See ya around maybe.

The Question to end all others.

need 24 hours before you start spamming @kbraszzz ^^

no. get outta here.

need 24 hours before you start spamming @kbraszzz ^^

user was perma banned by @Izanagi (rip)
guessing the reason was mass freekill <
date of ban: 01/05/14
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@Batter
i suggest writing us a haiku poem as an apology, it raises your unban percent by approx 2% :)

need 24 hours before you start spamming @kbraszzz ^^