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User will be unbanned, no evidence has been provided that the user has cheated on our servers in the past.
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+1, even if he was a big old meanie in the past he definitely has changed. Best to leave drama in the past and move on.

Actually, our general server and community rules have something about it: General Server and Community Rules | Xeno Gamers
 
"Bans from one account carry over to other accounts, meaning if you are banned for a week on one account and you join the server while you're still banned on your other account(s), you will be banned on that account as well."

Map has been removed from the list of playable maps.
 
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Map has been removed from the list of playable maps.
 
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I'll go ahead and unban you, but if there are any more problems from you then its back to a permanent ban. Remember, no more donator abuse and no more of the immature soldier voice.
 
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I'll go ahead and unban you, but if there are any more problems from you then its back to a permanent ban. Remember, no more donator abuse and no more of the immature soldier voice.
 
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Another thing I'd like to bring up. Upon further reading of the ToS for NFO, I noticed that sexually explicit material was only covered in webhosting and not game servers. I contacted their support for more clarification:

As it turns out, our current spray rules are really not even needed as strict as they are. I'd like to propose we change them to be a lot more lenient, such as no illegal content or something along those lines. What do you guys think?
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark

I remember you, and honestly they're not good memories. I gave you so many warnings for many things: the voice impressions, the donator abuse, the trolling, the calladmin abuse. I remember you added me one time after I banned you and after I explained to you why you were banned and after I had gone to bed, you spammed me with group invites over steam, which led to me blocking you. Honestly I was surprised to see you permed for random trading, but I did not know the context of that situation. That being said, it seems you were random trading deliberately to annoy others which is again trolling. I'd be fine with unbanning you, but you'll need to drop the ridiculous "soldier impression" and stop abusing your donator.

This stems from the 2 disputes that happened last week from the TF2 community but is still a good piece of discussion even by itself.
 
First of all, our servers are meant to be a place for everyone in our community and people who visit our servers to have fun. I'm going to try to break down what we used to do and what I feel is sometimes not reflected in our community anymore.
 
Whenever we were on CSS, CS:GO or TF2, (even before I was Co-leader) issues obviously occurred. Sometimes we had a free-killer on the server, or a guard + prisoner arguing etc. The role of the staff should be right away to fix the problem WHILE keeping the servers interests in mind.
 
If someone got freekilled, we would also message them after slaying; if we know it was a freekill (either via voice, all chat, or pm)
"Hey man, you got slayed cuz you freekilled X during this game. If you get too close to them, they are allowed to knife since you are baiting, so you freekilled. You're not getting banned, just wanted to let you know to be careful and read the rules"
 
This lets you not only resolve the problem and let the server know you are doing right by punishing them, but the person who broke the rules understands exactly what happens, and lets them have another go at our server without feeling alienated.
 
There are PLENTY of situations that you (as staff) are not there for, but still need to resolve to help out the server. You should always be willing to communicate with BOTH parties, and get a good compromise or to punish them fairly if you don't feel there's anything more you can do to resolve this in an easy manner. Ask them one at a time what the issue is, gag/mute one of them if they aren't letting the other talk, after hearing both their stories, ask witnesses or look at chat logs and see what's going on.
 
The whole point of us punishing a person in our servers (Not perm punishments) is for the SOLE reason that we want to reform them. We don't week ban people first offense, just so they never come back again. That's not the point of our mutes,gags,bans. It's to teach people that their (repeated) offenses aren't okay here, and that we want everyone to enjoy their time here.
 
TL;DR for people who want a simple explanation, staff are not ban-bots programmed to ban anyone and everyone out of line, it's to fix any issues that people are having, and even if someone has previous offenses, if you can resolve a problem without banning, and the server is happy, then you are doing the right thing. You are there to ensure people (including you) have fun in our servers, and that no one is trying to ruin it for others.

Another thing I'd like to bring up. Upon further reading of the ToS for NFO, I noticed that sexually explicit material was only covered in webhosting and not game servers. I contacted their support for more clarification:

As it turns out, our current spray rules are really not even needed as strict as they are. I'd like to propose we change them to be a lot more lenient, such as no illegal content or something along those lines. What do you guys think?
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark

I remember you, and honestly they're not good memories. I gave you so many warnings for many things: the voice impressions, the donator abuse, the trolling, the calladmin abuse. I remember you added me one time after I banned you and after I explained to you why you were banned and after I had gone to bed, you spammed me with group invites over steam, which led to me blocking you. Honestly I was surprised to see you permed for random trading, but I did not know the context of that situation. That being said, it seems you were random trading deliberately to annoy others which is again trolling. I'd be fine with unbanning you, but you'll need to drop the ridiculous "soldier impression" and stop abusing your donator.

I would personally set it to at least a year.

So two people do different things, but create one situation, that situation being arguing constantly with each other. They're both punished the same up until Zack is met with a 24 hour gag and Sylux is met with a month ban. Just because the two did different things, it still lead to the same situation and still leaves a really bad inconsistency in terms of how the punishment was carried out for the both of them. From what I could gather from the other thread Zack had started the argument through BM, and Sylux agitated the situation more with binds. None of the staff told him to stop with the binds and so I can't fault him for that, but he did make the situation worse. You gagged Zack because he left before the kick, and you ban sylux for a month because of his track record. I still personally do not believe that is fair.
 
Edited to come off as less rude, sorry about the 3am ramblings.

Alright, map will be removed.
 
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Going to be bumping this thread, re-pinning it, and changing the title to cover gags/mutes. There's so many spam mutes and gags on sourcebans right now, please stop muting and/or gagging yourself.
 
Tagging current staff:
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark @Vacindak @Vargas @Kypari @Natsu @ZevoAnonReal @Caleb956 @Tekage @Krampus @bagel @LAN_Megalodon @Frusty @Skeletal @Ms.Spooks @Matteomax @axtinpyrothe2nd

Going to be bumping this thread, re-pinning it, and changing the title to cover gags/mutes. There's so many spam mutes and gags on sourcebans right now, please stop muting and/or gagging yourself.
 
Tagging current staff:
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark @Vacindak @Vargas @Kypari @Natsu @ZevoAnonReal @Caleb956 @Tekage @Krampus @bagel @LAN_Megalodon @Frusty @Skeletal @Ms.Spooks @Matteomax @axtinpyrothe2nd

Going to be bumping this thread, re-pinning it, and changing the title to cover gags/mutes. There's so many spam mutes and gags on sourcebans right now, please stop muting and/or gagging yourself.
 
Tagging current staff:
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark @Vacindak @Vargas @Kypari @Natsu @ZevoAnonReal @Caleb956 @Tekage @Krampus @bagel @LAN_Megalodon @Frusty @Skeletal @Ms.Spooks @Matteomax @axtinpyrothe2nd

Going to be bumping this thread, re-pinning it, and changing the title to cover gags/mutes. There's so many spam mutes and gags on sourcebans right now, please stop muting and/or gagging yourself.
 
Tagging current staff:
@Bello @mrnutty12 @Elcark @Vacindak @Vargas @Kypari @Natsu @ZevoAnonReal @Caleb956 @Tekage @Krampus @bagel @LAN_Megalodon @Frusty @Skeletal @Ms.Spooks @Matteomax @axtinpyrothe2nd

Well said. My thoughts, quick and compressed: Was the ban justified?
Not really. Where do I start? If I recall correctly, we do a day -> a week -> a month. Were these steps followed? I don't think so. All bans that I am seeing are from about about a year ago (let's not take the ones for calladmin abuse into consideration, as that's a whole different topic). So we have one ban from 10-30-15 for disrespect. There is also the one from early this year which seems to be due to disrespect and calladmin abuse as well, though I don't know what exactly got him banned at the end. Only @Shadower may now. While I would rather give Sylux the benefit of the doubt, let's just assume it was for the same exact reason as yesterday - unless you want to take REALLY old bans into consideration, then there is no way a one month ban would be justified, as there was no recent week ban.
If you want to justify a month ban, then in my personal opinion using a week ban from 08-21-15 is a little weak, as people change during two whole years. If you think that he should have gotten a week earlier, that is fine but matter of fact, he hasn't and Sylux himself definitely cannot be held accountable for that. I'm also curious as to why Zac "only" got muted while Sylux was banned. Zac does not seem to be banned, however. Why is Sylux getting a ban and Zac just an extended mute? As far as I can tell, both are a part of the problem.
Is Sylux in the right here?
Definitely not. The fact that he made binds to specifically annoy that Zac guy is wrong and should not be condoned either. Comments like "zack if you pay me 20 keys i can teach you basic death match" are not helping Sylux's case either. I agree that Zac is definitely not in the right either, but it's just unnecessary on both sides. Someone should have tried to defuse the situation.
What should be done?
First things first I want to make it very clear that I am not speaking on behalf of anyone else. This is my own opinion and you can disagree with me all you want, but don't blame it on others if you do.
I think Sylux's ban should be reduced. I am curently not sure whether we should make it a day (or just unban him by the time this thread is closed) or a week. Looking at his past history, I can understand how some people want a longer ban, but I am not sure if a ban from 11 months ago that was not merely for disrespect is much of a reason to make it a week. This is something that higher ups need to discuss privately before coming to a conclusion.
However, a month is in my opinion too long. Zac on the other hand should either receive a day ban or a very clear warning.
And I want to shoutout @ThunderLimes for making quite useful posts. Good job (y).

Usually when making a report it's best to get evidence before reporting. Even though you may think your mute is unjust we cannot do anything unless evidence of abuse is provided. In the future I would really recommend simply just muting a player who is annoying you, arguing will most likely end up having you muted by one of the staff members.
 
Due to the lack of evidence against the staff member, I'm going to close this. If anyone feels like there's more to be said, feel free to re-open.
 
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So today Sesh (https://xenogamers.com/members/107881/) requested to be unbanned. While I personally see no problem with this since the ban was voluntary, @virr has suggested I make a thread here to get other opinions. @Bello @Rhododendron @mrnutty12 @Elcark @Aegean
 
For anyone who doesn't know or remember Sesh, was a DM earlier in the year, then stepped down a few months ago. He was banned from the forums for a week originally for being incredibly rude towards others in the shoutbox, and then requested his week ban be changed to a permanent one since he "never wanted to come back". It seems he's had a change of mind though, and would like to attempt to come back into the clan. To me he hasn't really changed at all, I still talk to him every day and he's still the same Sesh I've always known. I don't think he'd come back and go right back into being rude, I'm sure he'd keep some decency about him.

Unfortunately, I only remember being told about that whole "alternate account racism" thing but don't exactly remember what happened or if it was even really his alt. The last ban you got for disrespect or "trolling" was last year, and that was only a day. Don't exactly understand the jump to a month ban, even if he had older bans for longer. As for Zack, I do know he's quite the toxic guy when he is on the server. I am honestly surprised in you guys only giving him a gag instead of a ban as well. From what I read there was a warning and it stopped there, so I don't exactly know why you guys did jump to a ban as quickly as you did without even kicking him beforehand. I do feel as though there is some unfairness in how the situation was handled, even if Sylux has a "history", Zack should be punished exactly the same.
 
+1 to drop the ban to at least a week, if not completely.
+1 to punish Zack with the same length, they're both in the wrong and should be treated with the same punishment for fairness.

Unfortunately, I only remember being told about that whole "alternate account racism" thing but don't exactly remember what happened or if it was even really his alt. The last ban you got for disrespect or "trolling" was last year, and that was only a day. Don't exactly understand the jump to a month ban, even if he had older bans for longer. As for Zack, I do know he's quite the toxic guy when he is on the server. I am honestly surprised in you guys only giving him a gag instead of a ban as well. From what I read there was a warning and it stopped there, so I don't exactly know why you guys did jump to a ban as quickly as you did without even kicking him beforehand. I do feel as though there is some unfairness in how the situation was handled, even if Sylux has a "history", Zack should be punished exactly the same.
 
+1 to drop the ban to at least a week, if not completely.
+1 to punish Zack with the same length, they're both in the wrong and should be treated with the same punishment for fairness.