citizen_

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

Offender that been banned for 1 month.
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If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
 
 
 
What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets.
 
 
 
I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission.
 
 
 
~best wishes, take care
 
 

+1 week or month either is fine the BM is over the top. Waiting on the other tf2 higher ups.

+1 for a month ban. I wanted him unbanned because a perm for an aimbot we weren't even sure of seemed unfair. The BM that happened with this guy is actually stupid. Give him a month ban, and this will be his last warning. <3

+1
 
Good follow up with the last thread. The aimbot thing was REAL wishy-washy, but we definitely need to take an action against his mannerisms. A month seems sufficient.

@citizen_

After watching the demo that had been slowed, I was clearly mistaken in thinking there were no combined horizontal/vertical movements. At a slower speed, it is much clearer to see that it isn't tracking like your typical aimbot.
 
So I apologize to citizen_ for mistaking it for an actual bot. That takes some skill to be mistaken as a bot like that.
 
I won't, however, condone the attitude and the demeanor. It's not the best and definitely needs to be worked on. So I guess that means I'm sitting at a +1 for unban currently, but something needs to be addressed when it comes to the BM.
 
We also need to ensure that any time we suspect an aimbot that we collect an ample amount of evidence before issuing a ban. 2-3 kills in the span of 15 minutes probably isn't very adequate, because if a user gets banned for aimbotting and protests the ban when we have little to no evidence, the ban cannot stand.
 
While the video was indeed questionable, it isn't substantial in my opinion to warrant a permanent ban.
 
Sorry ohstopyou. I don't necessarily think you were in the wrong. Mistakes were simply made and you were just doing your job. =(

OP is unbanned.
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Or ask anyone that actually has competitive experience, pretty easy to tell the difference between hacking and skill, and this isn't hacking. :)

So what are we doing with this. @Ohstopyou @kbraszzz @metalslug53
@Rejects
 
We've all commented. No need for this to go on forever.
 
My opinion is +1 for unban the evidence isn't enough to prove to me that he hacked.

I skipped this thread so I've probably missed things
Citizen_ is, no offense, toxic on the servers. He BM's a lot of people and holds no kindness in his words. He has had many ban requests on him and complaints in shoutbox about him aimbotting and BM'ing.
However, I am certain this guy doesn't aimbot. He literally is just really good as sniper. I have seen him many times on the servers and spectated him out of suspicion (he changes his name a lot so I can never tell).

I already made clear that I am citizen_ Jarrett Huff and dolan trump in the beginning of this thread, but thanks for bringing it to the attention of anyone else who didn't read my first post.

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Greetings,
 
 
 
I was recently permanently banned under a false accusation of "aimbotting" by an admin called "ohstopyou" who had just banned someone for aimbotting 5 or so minutes before my ban, so my current impression of mr ohstopyou is that he's an inexperienced ban happy kid.
 
 
I have roughly 48k kills on my sniper rifle, over 3,600 hours on tf2 and previous UGC experience in high silver and gold, I have a 100% clean history of NO hacking, this includes no VAC-bans or UGC suspensions .
 
 
mr. ohstopyou claimed to have recorded the first "aimbotter" so I'd imagine he recorded me as well if you would like to ask him to review for yourself where you'll see me get headshots, bodyshots, and flat-out missshots.
 
 
I admit I jittered a few times because I thought he was being sarcastic, however any admin with a small amount of experience should be able to tell I wasn't aimbotting.
 
 
 
 
~Best Wishes, citizen_, Jarrett Huff, dolan trump .

Here's a question, why would someone with that many hours on that account, throw it away by hacking? Apparently if you think shots like that are suspicious you haven't seen a good sniper before. Take a look at this video, I know this isn't all sniper plays no, but look how good people actually are at this game. This video was made I believe for i46, when the first NA team went over to europe to compete in the LAN event, and actually won. Yes, I've seen fishy things in my time of playing tf2, but this guy isn't hacking, I know hacking when I see it, there is a fine line between twitching and hacking.
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU

I watched the demo 7 times and it's still a mystery to me how anyone could come to the conclusion I was aimbotting, I'm honestly quite baffled to how anyone, no matter how biased could disregard my inaccuracy, body shots where a headshot would have been possible, flat out missing, movement NOT AT ALL similar to that of the other demo of the real aimbotter and still come to the conclusion of aimbot, almost makes me suspect a hidden agenda in the court room, but I admit that sounds irresponsibly paranoid.
 
 
Since you all like to treat this like a real court room I wish I could summon a lawyer, however the jury doesn't seem as convinced I'm hacking as mr. ohstopyou. granted even he isn't certain anymore.
 
 
best wishes all.

well three strikes is enough for a perm,just like what the police do with
third time offenders.

I want to say that this is the dolan trump guy this isn't his first time getting a ban.
 
don't believe me then look at his steam id from this thread
 
Dolan Trump_ - Team Fortress 2
 
and this one Mr. Lawyer Sir(262 Day Vacation) - Team Fortress 2

I guess i will believe the aimbot was phishy at most. You got a couple of kills that i question a lot but demo is 15 seconds long, cant really prove TOO much. I believe ohstop did is job correctly and 100% professionally, you came in saying he was just ban happy. Demo is not that long to prove much (sorry bae D: ) so i guess +1, also, since chatlogs are not being considered since it is a protest on aimbot then i guess it wont be double jeopardy.

I think he does a great job as a DL. But I do agree that he should have obtained a longer demo, plus agreement from one or two other mods/admins about aimbot before banning.
 
@Ohstopyou the decision isn't up to me, I won't override you. It's your division, not mine.

+1 Unban if you watch the correct demo it's clearly not aimbot.
 
But perhaps there should be a small ban for disrespect.