Ohstopyou

Hey I've left and come back like 8 times already @Nomulous @kbraszzz @Ohstopyou
 
Welcome back to the fun

I'm confused. Are we being serious here? The title threw me off. :eek:
 
It has always been my nature to NOT cause any problems unless I have to. I don't think I will be a problem for you guys.

Complete and utter bullshit, lmao. "He's not marked."
 
>Caution
>18 banned friends
>obviously a scammer network
 
Tips to help everyone:
 

Turn on steam guard email confirmation so valve can get your items back in case this happens again
ALWAYS CHECK STEAMREP AND USE EXTREME CAUTION WHEN TRADING ITEMS OF HIGH VALUE
Never use a friend as a middleman, get a steamrep middleman to hold the items in "escrow".
If it sounds too good to be true, back out.

I don't think you understand what this thread is about. This is about our members, staff, ex-staff, etc. making up stuff about people or hearing something incorrectly and spreading it around. Then it gets back to the people (because no one will talk to anyone), and we have another fight on our hands that is completely pointless.
 
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As for the other things you stated:
 
There's a level of admin tolerance, obviously some people have more.
 
I can't say about the forums, but we have the censorship because I believe Google docks us ad money if we have cursing on the forums.
 
The death threats rule was originally for those people who got so angry that they would threaten someone's life. (ex: I'm going to kill you and your family.) I don't know how it's spread to jokes like "kill urself" or other things.
 
Admin disrespect? I have yet to see a ban so far about this. If you're talking about how we talk about a simple rule like "don't gun glitch" or "use !guard to join blue" and we have to talk to the person 30 times, yet they ignore us. Of course we are going to ban them.
 
The zero tolerance policy is for our OWN members/staff. They should know better than to start the petty-ante drama bullshit (we're back to telephone again). Use your words and talk to the person.
 
As for the unnecessary rules, we have two groups in xG. Those who need everything in writing, and those who have common sense. I'm leaning towards LESS rules and more common sense. However, it seems most people need everything in writing.
 
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If staff are going to have a problem with speaking to people, and spreading drama (instead of shutting it down right there like I've told them in the past), then there will have to be some changes.
 
We are at an impasse. Either the staff will change, or we will change the staff :)
 
 
 
TL;DR - You really should read it. We're talking about the people starting the drama and spreading it around (i.e staff and members). If they won't change, the staff roster will change.

I don't think you understand what this thread is about. This is about our members, staff, ex-staff, etc. making up stuff about people or hearing something incorrectly and spreading it around. Then it gets back to the people (because no one will talk to anyone), and we have another fight on our hands that is completely pointless.
 
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As for the other things you stated:
 
There's a level of admin tolerance, obviously some people have more.
 
I can't say about the forums, but we have the censorship because I believe Google docks us ad money if we have cursing on the forums.
 
The death threats rule was originally for those people who got so angry that they would threaten someone's life. (ex: I'm going to kill you and your family.) I don't know how it's spread to jokes like "kill urself" or other things.
 
Admin disrespect? I have yet to see a ban so far about this. If you're talking about how we talk about a simple rule like "don't gun glitch" or "use !guard to join blue" and we have to talk to the person 30 times, yet they ignore us. Of course we are going to ban them.
 
The zero tolerance policy is for our OWN members/staff. They should know better than to start the petty-ante drama bullshit (we're back to telephone again). Use your words and talk to the person.
 
As for the unnecessary rules, we have two groups in xG. Those who need everything in writing, and those who have common sense. I'm leaning towards LESS rules and more common sense. However, it seems most people need everything in writing.
 
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If staff are going to have a problem with speaking to people, and spreading drama (instead of shutting it down right there like I've told them in the past), then there will have to be some changes.
 
We are at an impasse. Either the staff will change, or we will change the staff :)
 
 
 
TL;DR - You really should read it. We're talking about the people starting the drama and spreading it around (i.e staff and members). If they won't change, the staff roster will change.

Lmao. "This is the internet" and "this is xG" are not valid excuses. That's like killing someone and going "this is North Korea". Like what? Still doesn't make it okay.
 
We may be on the internet, but it's our corner of the internet. Go take your drama elsewhere. I agree with Scoot on the zero tolerance policy. It's tiring and time consuming to solve disputes caused by the ole' xG telephone.
 
(Please note this applies to the TF2 servers, TF2 forums, and TF2 members in TS)

Yeah, there comes a point where the laptops become like 14+ pounds and they really aren't "portable".

inb4 plays tf2 again in a week. 10/10
 
Me

Hachi

Koala

Matsi

@Rejects

 
irestmycase

I don't think you can. The second picture is of the old TF2 hud. The above one is the new updated one.

Just a heads up. Kbraszzle and I feel he and Bliz are very mature for their ages. I don't see a problem with letting them in and neither does he. Besides, they're 15... less than a few months away from being sixteen. What's the big deal? What's going to change in like 3-6 months? Nothing.

Just a heads up. Kbraszzle and I feel he and Bliz are very mature for their ages. I don't see a problem with letting them in and neither does he. Besides, they're 15... less than a few months away from being sixteen. What's the big deal? What's going to change in like 3-6 months? Nothing.

Just a heads up. Kbraszzle and I feel he and Bliz are very mature for their ages. I don't see a problem with letting them in and neither does he. Besides, they're 15... less than a few months away from being sixteen. What's the big deal? What's going to change in like 3-6 months? Nothing.

It's gone :)

Just a heads up. Kbraszzle and I feel he and Bliz are very mature for their ages. I don't see a problem with letting them in and neither does he. Besides, they're 15... less than a few months away from being sixteen. What's the big deal? What's going to change in like 3-6 months? Nothing.

I guess I could add a few things.
 
We should have CLs post promo/demo from here on out. Especially now that kb is promoted. It's their job and we should keep it consistent.
 
 
 
As for chrono and others not being around by the time of decisions, maybe you guys can do what tf2 does. We just have a forum convo with the DL's and DM's. Promo/demo is discussed there, as are major management threads. And we just continually post there whenever needed. Having a convo leaves everything archived in one place and if someone isn't there at the time they can check back later and give their opinion because the entire discussion is right there.

Yeah I've been asking Snackbar to post the P/D and him and a bunch of other high-level staff talk about different changes (mostly related to the CS:GO division) in Teamspeak. You GOTTA be more active @Chrono since we need to move fast to keep up with the rate we are growing.

I don't know about the CS:GO stuff, but I did commend him on posting the promo/demos very quickly. Like literally five minutes after I told him our promos, it was posted. Not to mention, weren't you asked by Rhodo (or another CL) to post them in the first place?
 
Not trying to throw shade, but when you say it's the CLs' job to post the promo/demos, maybe they should actually be around to do it in a timely manner. Rhodo doesn't do that kind of stuff, Nom is in college, Hiding has spouts of inactivity and doesn't do that stuff either, and KB was literally just promoted.
 
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Like I said, I don't know about the CS:GO stuff but hasn't it been dormant for nearly a year? The amount of progress he has made in the short time he has had DL is pretty cool, in my honest opinion.

Just popping in. He's getting banned for 3 days. I already spent an hour on the server talking to him because he was spamming the chat for Lavender town to be added back. He fought with me for an hour, saying I was bullying him and favoriting xG members, when I literally did not punish him. However, I gave him an ultimatum. If he was caught spamming again, he was getting banned. This is the 3rd time he has been spoken to, not to mention the numerous other times he was spamming and left.
 
TL;DR - Repeat offender that spams often. Staff has had to talk to him 3+ times. Is not changing. Banned for 3 days.
 
P.S. - He asked to be banned ;)

1. This is 6, going on seven, pages. I speed read it.
2. Did any of you tell him what he was saying was offending you?
3. Did you read what you just quoted? "If he is causing recent issues (after we discussed this and he was spoken to), then I completely agree that this member protest should go through."
 
I'm not getting heavily involved in this because it's the CLs' decision to revoke his membership (DL's can't do that), and I don't have any personal complaints or proof of my own any recent wrongdoing at the current moment. I'm essentially neutral. However, I did say that if he was causing recent issues, go ahead.

Ding ding ding ding. You hit the nail on the head.
 
I thought we all agreed when we discussed this that a member protest wouldn't help. You said to keep him out of your division, and we agreed. I have yet to see him post in the CS:GO division, as of our discussion, and he said he would mostly keep to himself. If he's causing more recent problems, you should be telling Scoot, Kb, or I.
 
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Here's my honest take:
 
Just because something is blowing up, doesn't mean it's true. "Don't believe everything you hear/read on the internet". Heard that one a million times, and learned from my own mistakes.
 
95% of the stuff you are talking about has no proof to back it up (it's just he said, she said). I'M NOT SAYING IT DID NOT HAPPEN; WE DID NOT SEE IT, NOR DID ANYONE TELL US ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW. However, I do see the quotes about him stroking a dog, giving blowjobs, or w/e. I agree, it makes people uncomfortable, and you told him, so he should not be speaking like that in public (especially in front of the younger people we have here). He has not spoken about his past experiences since then; you guys just keep bringing it up from that past event. Need I point out the snide remarks, bio's, and statuses with quotes of him saying that.
 
I don't really know what truthfully goes on between you guys, but I realize that you are extremely upset and tired of him. I understand that, and you have a right to be. However, I spent about an hour talking with him on Steam and explained that he needs to calm it down, quit speaking to anyone in the CS:GO division (as you requested), and just try to keep to himself for a while.
 
Here is my end all solution. Matsi, obviously some people are offended by your life choices, but again, they are your life choices. If someone is offended by what you are saying, apologize, don't talk about it again, and learn from your mistake. Keep your graphic stories to yourself or close friends (w/e). "You do you and we'll do us."
 
As for the other people, don't initiate contact and don't involve the stories you dislike. You only enflame the issue and make it worse. Just stop.
 
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If he is causing recent issues (after we discussed this and he was spoken to), then I completely agree that this member protest should go through. If not, there is nothing to be done. You might say that he has had 10 billion chances. Out of those "chances", how many of them have you sat down, spoken to him like an adult, and laid down what would happen if he causes problems again (this means no yelling, no name calling, no joking, just talking)? I bet none of them.
 
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Please note: I don't agree with his life choices, nor do I agree with the people who were posting child porn on the site. Matsi was not posting graphic porn on the site, he was merely talking about an experience he had. I think this whole situation has been handled rather poorly so far. Everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath, and re-evaluate all of this.

Exactly. You guys cant be saying we don't need proof or to look around proof is everywhere, because in reality it isn't. He's said a few things that people don't like, but to be honest its looking like a lot of it was in response to questions or conversations (from what im understanding). The whole drink thing in shoutbox earlier this morning... yeah dont know how you expected people not to take it the wrong way Matsi.. lets be real.
 
Yes, Matsi has done some inappropriate things on the forums/in conversations, including being rude/flaming, but there are people on the other side of the issue as well. I know of several people who are trying to get a reaction out of him, so not sure how we are putting all the blame on matsi alone.
 
Although this will get forgotten in a few days, TALKING TO PEOPLE LIKE ADULTS GOES SO FAR. I appreciate @Ohstopyou for actually taking time to message matsi and talk about it like an adult. Very few people in xG do this, but it solves so so much. If you ever have a conflict with someone, honestly just messaging them and talking it out solves 99% of the solutions.

i dont think his membership should be taken away because he's said sexual stuff not normally accepted, just ask him to stop.

Alright, figured this was coming eventually.
 
First off, @Matsi im not really sure why you continue to say stuff like that.. you gotta understand this is a gaming community and has people of all ages. Nobody should be subjected to the sexually explicit talk like that, especially in shoutbox where it is public. Its just not a good decision, and not really sure why you keep doing it.
 
 
Secondly, why are we banning getting rid of someone for something they said, with the excuse that its a felony? Way to bring up a scenario from before Jesus was born. There's no proof of it, other than what was written, not enough to truly say it really happened. Yes, I understand it was vulgar and may not be something anyone thinks is ok, but lets move the fuck on.
 
Now I haven't been around Matsi a lot anymore, which may make my opinion a little skewed, but he actually is a really good addition to xG when you ignore the vulgar language. Nobody has posted more ban protests, which in reality make TF2 a much better place. Bringing his use of power doesn't matter here either, as we are looking at a member protest, not an abuse report. Remember that we are essentially looking to perm ban matsi from all of xG, way different than removing powers and requires a good amount of reasoning behind it.
 
Let me ask you all a serious question then:
 
If Matsi stops with the vulgar talk, can you all survive with him still being around?
 
I'm genuinely interested in answers to that, a simply yes or no with explanation will suffice; don't assume this is what will happen to him either.

Just popping in. He's getting banned for 3 days. I already spent an hour on the server talking to him because he was spamming the chat for Lavender town to be added back. He fought with me for an hour, saying I was bullying him and favoriting xG members, when I literally did not punish him. However, I gave him an ultimatum. If he was caught spamming again, he was getting banned. This is the 3rd time he has been spoken to, not to mention the numerous other times he was spamming and left.
 
TL;DR - Repeat offender that spams often. Staff has had to talk to him 3+ times. Is not changing. Banned for 3 days.
 
P.S. - He asked to be banned ;)

A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding my intentions with this thread, so I'm just going to clarify again; this entire thread only applies under the following conditions:
 
1. There is no Staff Member online
2. A Staff Member cannot get online to enforce against inappropriate spray(s)
3. A Player/Member wishes to take matters into their own hands by posting a Ban Request
4. A player had an inappropriate spray, but is no longer on the Server (though honestly shouldn't be worth chasing after)
 
I am not suggesting a new way to enforce rules ingame, this sort of thing should only occur on the forums when the aforementioned conditions have been met.

While it's true that they simply don't have to spray anymore, the likelihood of it happening may still be high as I know of a handful of "games" that Wardens like to do that involve utilizing sprays (IE. Spray contest). As I mentioned earlier, this whole thing is just a precautionary measure that applies to Players/Members, not Staff Members. A "what-if" scenario, so to speak.