diabeetus

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Anything said on Vector can be applied to Iggy and he should receive the same treatment. The only reason this would not apply is if Iggy was banned in the past (very recently) or if he had additional reasons. If neither of those apply, we should give Iggy the same treatment. I was (mis?)informed that Iggy was banned for additional reasons.

A decision was reached, and Vector's in-game ban will be reduced to 6 months (meaning he will be unbanned on November 1st, 2015). Additionally, Vector's forum ban will be removed. However, this does not mean that Vector's behavior both on the forums or in-game (when his ban expires in November) will be tolerated by any means whatsoever. During the next 6 months (and additionally when his in-game ban is up) Vector will be under a strict probationary period. If there appears to be no noticeable difference (or possibly even a worsening of) his excessively belligerent behavior, Vector will be permanently banned. Basically, if he keeps up the kind of behavior that has been observed recently, he will be permed. Keep in mind that attempts to instigate or harass Vector in order to get him into reacting in a way that could result in him getting banned will be punished accordingly. Lastly, make sure that if you see something that you would consider to be evidence of excessively negative behavior, take down some kind of evidence. Whether it's recording a demo, taking a screencap of chat logs, it has to be something concrete. Banning people off of hearsay (not matter how truthful it may be) isn't optimal and leads to a lot of future confusion, especially in the event of a ban protest.
 
Trying to remove negative/toxic behavior in xG is going to be an incredibly lengthy journey, and will be a process that cannot be accomplished solely through the efforts of the higher ups/CL's of xG. While sometimes it may not feel like it, we're trying to listen to the community as best as possible while trying to preserve our own values as well. I personally apologize for the chaos that has enveloped the clan in the past week or so, and take responsibility for any and all negative/detrimental outcomes that may come as a result of our recent decisions (including this one). Additionally, I apologize for the apparent flip-flopityness of the decisions of the CL's (Hidingmaster excluded) and the somewhat inefficient method that was used for the carrying out of bans following the posting of the Toxicity Reform thread. In the heat of the moment I think we all just wanted to get something done and didn't really head into it as efficiently and cleanly as we could have. If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to send me a message on steam or through the forums, or post in the "Opinion on Recent Events Thread" (please try to keep things civil and respectful).
 
~closed.

Allow me to make a public apology. My post was not very well worded, as I should have stated that we were discussing the possibility of Vector being unbanned. The way I wrote it, it made it seem as if we had decided that Vector was indeed returning. That was in bad wording on my part. Sorry to have put that connotation on you.
 
I also want to apologize for only receiving half of the truth. I WAS under the assumption that a few of the CLs (None in particular really, just a few of you) were in support of unbanning Vector. It was only until later when I re-read through the entire conversation that I realized that nowhere was it proposed to unban him completely. I allowed myself to jump to that conclusion due to the hot passions that were heavy last night in the Teamspeak channel. So, to you and the other @Community Leaders, I do apologize for having that be conveyed.
 
You guys rock at what you do. I know our voices are not unheard. I know you all have the best intentions in mind when making these huge decisions. I don't want to step on toes or make it perceived that I believe you guys are doing anything ill for the group. I believe the exact opposite.
 
The threats of people leaving the clan due to Vector's unbanning, I believe, were also probably in part to the misconception that we were deliberating completely unbanning Vector and having him return immediately. You can probably understand how that might make a few people upset. But, I think that better understanding on our parts would have helped avoid that miscommunication.
 
So, to you all, I apologize. I will be diligent and more attentive in these future discussions, and work towards conveying my messages in a more clear manner.

Well, as someone who is in open fire at the moment for past decisions. I'd first like to say.
 
I really don't see how any one could have negative criticism for you, even my self how could I just not respect you now. You have done nothing but handle your problems with the powers given to you the way you always have, Fair, and unbiased. You are extremely lenient, but know exactly when to be strict.
 
I don't mean to come off as "appreciative" either, what you did for me giving me another chance(chance after chance after chance), and openly admitting you stuck out for me after what I've said/done to you, That doesn't even deserve a thanks, that just deserves respect.
I do however have to apologize for letting you stand up for me even knowing you did not have to, and then f*cking it up... Really do feel sh*tty about that.

If you're honestly going to leave over 1 player being unbanned, that just shows where your loyalties are. You clearly don't care about the community as much as you preach if you would leave over a player very harshly (and unjustly, given the lack of evidence) banned no longer being banned then do us all a favor and leave now anyway. thanks. :)
 
In the end, the decision is with the CLs, regardless of what the poll says. But I want to make sure they read the above, because that's the cold hard truth of the matter. [uSERGROUP=23]@Community Leader[/uSERGROUP]

In this situation to me it feels like you are being extremely bias. You simply dismissed Brian's over the top bm and OBVIOUS RACISM as something to just shrug off your shoulders but are claiming that Kypari needs to be convicted of a ban in a situation where his bm was not at all as severe as Rabid or Brian. You KNOW this. Additionally, Kypari and Tekage WERE the victims because this all started because of Brian's racism thread aka "British Humor Thread". You also KNOW that no conflict would ever have happened if Rabid and Brian didn't begin with their instigation on Kypari and Tekage. Now, mind you, I don't really like their personalities and am not really friends with them, but its clear to me that you are being biased because you are chummy with Rabid and don't like young kids in xG.
 
@diabeetus @DrLee @ThePenguin @CommunityLeaders ( @Forest )

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.

It should be one all together. You've caused enough harm to this clan that it's not even funny.

~closed.

~closed.

change "smelly" to "filthy" and replace the icon with this

 
@Tsuchikure

change "smelly" to "filthy" and replace the icon with this

 
@Tsuchikure

I like these the most honestly

After reading through this (and one other post by @Chrono ) I see the error of our ways and I want to re-evaluate the punishments handed out (whether it is reduced ban or no ban). I apologize for reaching such a harsh decision
 
@Chrono smells
@Bleed procrastinates more than me
@ASock sucks at DOTA

So...wait, you're mad at him for following the rules too well? Because that's what it looks like.
 
There was something like what you did in the past, people changed their names and all started doing the same stuff(micspamming), because a higher ups allowed it(there's a video on xG YouTube of what happened, not sure if it includes the end. It was called MEM).
 
What happened at the end? A Co-Leader at the time(Serbian) got on and started banning people for it. Which is a lot more serious than him muting the 2 people.
 
Just because you said they could break the rules, doesn't mean they can. If you said they could all start mass free killing(if it was JB), that doesn't mean you can.
 
Staff can enforce the rules strict if they want, since it is still written there, the rules doesn't say "No micspamming, unless a DM says so."
 
Also, you said he should handle his own problems, instead of reporting it to kbrazz, isn't that why we have report abuses? Mods have no power over a DM, so what else can he do?