MysteryMann

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Please do. I would like something good to come out of my mistakes.

Please do. I would like something good to come out of my mistakes.

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It may only be a 1 day ban. But I don't think it should be a ban to begin with. I was banned for "Punishment Evasion - Comment on Profile" Though i dont feel commenting on a profile is evading a punishment as i am not talking in game. Therefor there is not punishment tot be evaded. The punishment was to keep me from talking on the server and i have in no way evaded that.

Touch

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Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name:

Mystery Mann ϟ Identity:

STEAM_0:1:116525948 Ban Type:

Server Ban Information:

It may only be a 1 day ban. But I don't think it should be a ban to begin with. I was banned for "Punishment Evasion - Comment on Profile" Though i dont feel commenting on a profile is evading a punishment as i am not talking in game. Therefor there is not punishment tot be evaded. The punishment was to keep me from talking on the server and i have in no way evaded that.

Touch

I'll talk to the other higherups so we can reach a consensus as to not leave it up to interpretation

Please do. I would like something good to come out of my mistakes.

Strongly agree with what Moosty suggested as this something that should be addressed sooner rather than later @Aegean

We might need to have a conversation on what sort of outside of server communication can be punishment worthy at some point, but that convo will take more than a day. So unfortunately you'll probably have to wait it out.
 
And as @Forest said, anyone can make a ban protest no matter how seemingly frivolous or no matter how short the ban. They can all be valid. We could still learn something and improve xG if the higher ups clarify and discuss this type of case, but it won't affect this case in particular, so it's kind of see you tomorrow at this point.

Thanks for the info. I'll keep this in mind.

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Yes i admit i did do that. And i did drop it on the server where the punishment should apply to and only to. Punishing me for writing a comment on your profile has nothing to do with the server. Your job is to moderate the server which you did by gagging me and muting me but me writing on your profile yet again has nothing to do with the server.

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Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name:

Mystery Mann ϟ Identity:

STEAM_0:1:116525948 Ban Type:

Server Ban Information:

It may only be a 1 day ban. But I don't think it should be a ban to begin with. I was banned for "Punishment Evasion - Comment on Profile" Though i dont feel commenting on a profile is evading a punishment as i am not talking in game. Therefor there is not punishment tot be evaded. The punishment was to keep me from talking on the server and i have in no way evaded that.

Back off. Its done and it's over with. Not like you'll have to worry bout it from now on anyways

Thanks for the info. I'll keep this in mind.

Under normal circumstances you would be correct in saying that anything done outside of Servers should have no sway on rules broken in the Servers; however, this does vary from time to time, especially when it comes to harassment or other abusive communication (text or verbal). Assuming this was the case, then the ban was justifiable.
 
That being said, if this was simply a matter of a Player commenting on a Staff's profile to get a rise out of the Staff, then no, I don't believe this to be a justifiable ban in any way. Not only is this not disrupting the gameplay or Players/Staff on the Server, but this may very well be borderline abuse of power.
 
Before this gets blown out of proportion, (also keep in mind that this is personal opinion) please consider the following:
 
Staff are there to Moderate the Servers in order to maintain a healthy gaming environment free of rulebreakers, trolls, etc. Unless a Player is explicitly affecting the Servers (or is otherwise harassing a Player on our Servers) then there is no reason to ban a Player for their actions outside of the Servers. In other words, in order for a Player to be punished, they have to be affecting the Server as a whole, or, and this is a big 'or', they have to be a danger (IE. [verbal] harassment, threats, etc) to any of the Players in the Server (including Staff). Anything above or beyond this is an abuse of power from the Staff (depending on the situation).
 
Staff are expected to receive a lot of slack for what they do, both ingame and out of it; this is a given. However, by no means should they be punishing Players for what they do outside of the game, especially for something as trivial as this.
 
As a reminder, this is all personal opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt. I'd also like to point out that all Players, regardless of the reason, are entitled to post a Ban Protest; regardless of how frivolous it may seem to some. The point for many of these isn't that the ban is for a minor amount of time, but that the ban may have been unwarranted or unjustified.
 
+/-0 on this Ban Protest.

Division:

Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name:

Mystery Mann ϟ Identity:

STEAM_0:1:116525948 Ban Type:

Server Ban Information:

It may only be a 1 day ban. But I don't think it should be a ban to begin with. I was banned for "Punishment Evasion - Comment on Profile" Though i dont feel commenting on a profile is evading a punishment as i am not talking in game. Therefor there is not punishment tot be evaded. The punishment was to keep me from talking on the server and i have in no way evaded that.

Touch

Just like rxg... 24 hours it is then. Cya Sunday.

Touché.*

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Yes i admit i did do that. And i did drop it on the server where the punishment should apply to and only to. Punishing me for writing a comment on your profile has nothing to do with the server. Your job is to moderate the server which you did by gagging me and muting me but me writing on your profile yet again has nothing to do with the server.