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Well said. My thoughts, quick and compressed: Was the ban justified? Not really. Where do I start? If I recall correctly, we do a day -> a week -> a month. Were these steps followed? I don't think so. All bans that I am seeing are from about about a year ago (let's not take the ones for calladmin abuse into consideration, as that's a whole different topic). So we have one ban from 10-30-15 for disrespect. There is also the one from early this year which seems to be due to disrespect and calladmin abuse as well, though I don't know what exactly got him banned at the end. Only @Shadower may now. While I would rather give Sylux the benefit of the doubt, let's just assume it was for the same exact reason as yesterday - unless you want to take REALLY old bans into consideration, then there is no way a one month ban would be justified, as there was no recent week ban. If you want to justify a month ban, then in my personal opinion using a week ban from 08-21-15 is a little weak, as people change during two whole years. If you think that he should have gotten a week earlier, that is fine but matter of fact, he hasn't and Sylux himself definitely cannot be held accountable for that. I'm also curious as to why Zac "only" got muted while Sylux was banned. Zac does not seem to be banned, however. Why is Sylux getting a ban and Zac just an extended mute? As far as I can tell, both are a part of the problem. Is Sylux in the right here? Definitely not. The fact that he made binds to specifically annoy that Zac guy is wrong and should not be condoned either. Comments like "zack if you pay me 20 keys i can teach you basic death match" are not helping Sylux's case either. I agree that Zac is definitely not in the right either, but it's just unnecessary on both sides. Someone should have tried to defuse the situation. What should be done? First things first I want to make it very clear that I am not speaking on behalf of anyone else. This is my own opinion and you can disagree with me all you want, but don't blame it on others if you do. I think Sylux's ban should be reduced. I am curently not sure whether we should make it a day (or just unban him by the time this thread is closed) or a week. Looking at his past history, I can understand how some people want a longer ban, but I am not sure if a ban from 11 months ago that was not merely for disrespect is much of a reason to make it a week. This is something that higher ups need to discuss privately before coming to a conclusion. However, a month is in my opinion too long. Zac on the other hand should either receive a day ban or a very clear warning. And I want to shoutout @ThunderLimes for making quite useful posts. Good job (y).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_B9znfZ7Ws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im6tbN9SZXs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCFiOSDlr0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnTpegRe3sM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16v_M1ygxYE

Haha yeah Lan's crazy right? Yeah no, what I said is pretty reasonable. I'm not saying that nobody likes Sylux, I'm just saying I don't think he's actively a member of any of the main cliques that seem to plague this clan. Furthermore he alluded to someone telling him stuff through steam messages rather than say cough cough Discord, so idk, that seems to allude to the fact he doesn't have a group of people to support him at the drop of a pin.

We did discuss this issue after the Brian thread actually (just not publicly), though IIRC the consensus was that we should have the punishment match the offense as opposed to some arbitrary number of months that the bans stop counting after. That said, with regards to reducing Sylux's ban, it has been nearly a year since he was last banned and it was for abuse of calladmin/disrespect not trolling and harassment like the current one. However I cannot just ignore his history of inflammatory and disrespectful behavior. So, my proposal is that we reduce his current ban to a week and replace the month punishment with a silence. With note to @Sylux, stop being such a rude boi to people, it gets you nowhere good quick. Also, other people being part of a problem does NOT make it ok to continue causing it. As for Zack, I would appreciate a proper ban request thread where we can have all of that information in one place to be its own focus of discussion. Aside from getting his own ban request thread, I have heard that there is some amount of favoritism towards Zack who by most accounts is given much leniency and was only given a day mute. That would be fine if Sylux had gotten a day mute recently prior to this incident, but he didn't. As it turns out Sylux hasn't had a day mute in over 2 years! (from presumably Rejects since SB says the admin was deleted) It seems to me like somebody forgot to mute Sylux for a day or more before jumping to bans. We are given the ability to mute people for more than 30 min for a reason, don't ignore that when it is convenient towards the end of banning people you don't like.

Usually when making a report it's best to get evidence before reporting. Even though you may think your mute is unjust we cannot do anything unless evidence of abuse is provided. In the future I would really recommend simply just muting a player who is annoying you, arguing will most likely end up having you muted by one of the staff members. Due to the lack of evidence against the staff member, I'm going to close this. If anyone feels like there's more to be said, feel free to re-open. -Closed