Hidingmaster

But if even 1 out of 50 did, still more money than we would of gotten. Plus more members > more population > more donations > more members > more population.... and on and on

Greetings, everyone. I am new. (One second – let me get this spork out of the way.) My name is Katy, but you can call me the Penguin of Doom. (I’m laughing aloud.) As you can plainly see, my actions have no pattern whatsoever. That is why I have come here. To meet similarly patternless individuals, such as myself.
 
I am 13 – mature for my age, however! – and I enjoy watching Invader Zim with my girlfriend. (I am bisexual. Please approach this subject maturely.) It is our favorite television show, as it adequately displays stochastic manners of behavior such as we possess.
 
She behaves without order – of course – but I wish to meet more individuals of her and my kind. As the saying goes, “the more, the merrier.”
 
Ah, it is to laugh. Anyway, I hope to make many friends here, so please comment freely.
 
Doom!
 
That is simply one of many examples of my random actions. Ha, ha. Fare thee well. I wish you much love and waffles.
 
Yours,
 
The Penguin of Doom.



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Only 1 other CL ever replied :/
 
Here's the final decision:
 
1) Matsi is warned to tone it down and keep it PG13. Use common sense when talking about taboo topics. Membership remains.
 
2) The community is warned to stop trying to trigger people (purposely getting individuals upset). CLs/DLs have the ability to punish people who do this, no prior warning required (with sufficient evidence only though).

What stops them from creating a forum account and getting access to the inappropriate material? Letting them be a member does get them anymore access.
 
If we're that concerned about a parent sending an angry letter, make them choose their age from a dropdown, if its <18 then a radio button shows up on member apps stating "By selecting this I confirm I have my parents consent to access and use xenogamers.com and it's affiliated servers."

What stops them from creating a forum account and getting access to the inappropriate material? Letting them be a member does get them anymore access.
 
If we're that concerned about a parent sending an angry letter, make them choose their age from a dropdown, if its <18 then a radio button shows up on member apps stating "By selecting this I confirm I have my parents consent to access and use xenogamers.com and it's affiliated servers."

But if even 1 out of 50 did, still more money than we would of gotten. Plus more members > more population > more donations > more members > more population.... and on and on

^ This.
Srs though, this thread has me so triggered right now, though that's only because of vouches (y'all who were around back then will know what I'm referring to).
 
Keep in mind that, in the end, it's really up to Silence. If he wants to keep the forums/clan an "adult" based one then no one can really say otherwise. That being said, Hiding is pretty spot on in regards to the whole "more donators" thing. Way I see it, them youngins are always asking for their parent's credit cards, but you need to give em' something in return.
 
Either way, no one should be making any exceptions (for Member Subs of 16-) as it is right now unless the person applying is an ex-Member of the clan.
 
+/-0 to this as I'm indifferent about it all. Things can't get much less mature around here anyways :coffee:

The whole reason we don't allow anyone under 16 is, im assuming, for maturity reasons? If this is the case then would the +1/-1 system narrow out those people who are not mature enough to join? I mean were supposed to list our rating of their maturity already (A: 10 M:7 for ex.).

There really is no reason to put a limit on the age of applicants for any division, especially TF2 where I would assume the average age of players is less than 16, or at least there is a good majority of younger people.
 
If you don't think the community can chose mature people @Snackbar, then we should at least consider that applicants <16 yo require a +1 from a staff member DM+.
 
And iirc, Silence stated he wanted to keep it an adult community.. but it never has been. Most of the members are young. Plus, why restrict the number of people who can join? It just reduces the popularity of xG and reduces chances of donations.
 
@Nomulous @kbraszzz

Only 1 other CL ever replied :/
 
Here's the final decision:
 
1) Matsi is warned to tone it down and keep it PG13. Use common sense when talking about taboo topics. Membership remains.
 
2) The community is warned to stop trying to trigger people (purposely getting individuals upset). CLs/DLs have the ability to punish people who do this, no prior warning required (with sufficient evidence only though).

Only 1 other CL ever replied :/
 
Here's the final decision:
 
1) Matsi is warned to tone it down and keep it PG13. Use common sense when talking about taboo topics. Membership remains.
 
2) The community is warned to stop trying to trigger people (purposely getting individuals upset). CLs/DLs have the ability to punish people who do this, no prior warning required (with sufficient evidence only though).

I've been wishing that people would just talk their crap out since I got DM of CSS. Unfortunately, as forest said, people just dont grasp it. By all means be harsh on them, it may be the only way to stop shitstorms from cropping up. Also, as far as promo demos are concerned, they are going back to the way they used to be: only seen by DM+ and if people start asking if they are getting promo'd feel free to take them right off the list.

Companion thread is back open. Although we don't necessarily run by majority vote all the time, I would still like to have a place for people to vote (where it isnt mixed in with a bunch of arguing). The CLs will get together and talk about it, keeping the voting in mind.
 
Also, don't think its a big deal for Chrono to be closing threads and moderating the forums, as long as it is within reason.
 
If you want to discuss anything @Chrono, feel free to message me on the forums. Including snackbar and the other issues you brought up.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

Alright, figured this was coming eventually.
 
First off, @Matsi im not really sure why you continue to say stuff like that.. you gotta understand this is a gaming community and has people of all ages. Nobody should be subjected to the sexually explicit talk like that, especially in shoutbox where it is public. Its just not a good decision, and not really sure why you keep doing it.
 
 
Secondly, why are we banning getting rid of someone for something they said, with the excuse that its a felony? Way to bring up a scenario from before Jesus was born. There's no proof of it, other than what was written, not enough to truly say it really happened. Yes, I understand it was vulgar and may not be something anyone thinks is ok, but lets move the fuck on.
 
Now I haven't been around Matsi a lot anymore, which may make my opinion a little skewed, but he actually is a really good addition to xG when you ignore the vulgar language. Nobody has posted more ban protests, which in reality make TF2 a much better place. Bringing his use of power doesn't matter here either, as we are looking at a member protest, not an abuse report. Remember that we are essentially looking to perm ban matsi from all of xG, way different than removing powers and requires a good amount of reasoning behind it.
 
Let me ask you all a serious question then:
 
If Matsi stops with the vulgar talk, can you all survive with him still being around?
 
I'm genuinely interested in answers to that, a simply yes or no with explanation will suffice; don't assume this is what will happen to him either.

Exactly. You guys cant be saying we don't need proof or to look around proof is everywhere, because in reality it isn't. He's said a few things that people don't like, but to be honest its looking like a lot of it was in response to questions or conversations (from what im understanding). The whole drink thing in shoutbox earlier this morning... yeah dont know how you expected people not to take it the wrong way Matsi.. lets be real.
 
Yes, Matsi has done some inappropriate things on the forums/in conversations, including being rude/flaming, but there are people on the other side of the issue as well. I know of several people who are trying to get a reaction out of him, so not sure how we are putting all the blame on matsi alone.
 
Although this will get forgotten in a few days, TALKING TO PEOPLE LIKE ADULTS GOES SO FAR. I appreciate @Ohstopyou for actually taking time to message matsi and talk about it like an adult. Very few people in xG do this, but it solves so so much. If you ever have a conflict with someone, honestly just messaging them and talking it out solves 99% of the solutions.

Alright, figured this was coming eventually.
 
First off, @Matsi im not really sure why you continue to say stuff like that.. you gotta understand this is a gaming community and has people of all ages. Nobody should be subjected to the sexually explicit talk like that, especially in shoutbox where it is public. Its just not a good decision, and not really sure why you keep doing it.
 
 
Secondly, why are we banning getting rid of someone for something they said, with the excuse that its a felony? Way to bring up a scenario from before Jesus was born. There's no proof of it, other than what was written, not enough to truly say it really happened. Yes, I understand it was vulgar and may not be something anyone thinks is ok, but lets move the fuck on.
 
Now I haven't been around Matsi a lot anymore, which may make my opinion a little skewed, but he actually is a really good addition to xG when you ignore the vulgar language. Nobody has posted more ban protests, which in reality make TF2 a much better place. Bringing his use of power doesn't matter here either, as we are looking at a member protest, not an abuse report. Remember that we are essentially looking to perm ban matsi from all of xG, way different than removing powers and requires a good amount of reasoning behind it.
 
Let me ask you all a serious question then:
 
If Matsi stops with the vulgar talk, can you all survive with him still being around?
 
I'm genuinely interested in answers to that, a simply yes or no with explanation will suffice; don't assume this is what will happen to him either.

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You don't get permed through a member protest, but in this case (and with people comparing it to past cases) Matsi will most likely be permed. And when you look at it, removing his membership will almost likely end in him leaving xG completely. Just saying in this case we need to make sure there are enough issues with proof to warrant removal of everything. Mostly mentioned this because people brought up his mod/admin abuse, something completely different.

i dont think his membership should be taken away because he's said sexual stuff not normally accepted, just ask him to stop.

GMod Cinema server, like i said before in the shoutbox I'm willing to spend my life in that server if you make it a nice one