The_Unlit_Torch

+1 tunder
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I have the ultimate solution.
@Kypari
[spoiler=Only click this if you're Kypari]
 
 
@ASock
[spoiler=Only click this if you're Rabid/ASock]
 

@BelloWaldi

So, if I understood it right:
You banned ASock, someone unbanned him, and he's not banned anymore.
ASock is now on his last warning and any further disrespect an harrassment will be tolerated from him.
 
Vector is banned, and he will not be unbanned in your opinion.
 
Did I understand this correctly?

Alright. All this has gone way further than it ever should have. If you don't know what, its two things:
 
1) Rabid being permanently banned.
 
2) The "toxicity reform", especially the point where Vector got permanently banned.
 
I'd like to put a little opinion out there regarding the issue, hopefully to clear up confusion from those not directly involved, and to shed a little light on to the problems I see.
 
Let me start with the fact that this whole situation should have never been allowed to continue this far. What happened originally is that someone started a thread with Nom and Silence regarding some members they though were not conducive to a friendly environment. Eventually all CLs and other staff members were added to the conversation; a total that now stands at 12 people.
 
A discussion commenced about the list, stating who we though should and shouldn't be on it. To makes things clear, I clearly defended Asock and said I didn't think he would be a problem anymore. I actually went on to repeat that he wasn't a problem numerous times. (BTW, this is for those that think I was biased when banning him permanently; I honestly was defending him from being banned.) It was mostly a dialogue between me and some Tf2 staff, some other CLs (but not all) very briefly discussed the list that was posted.
 
First issue I have is that the thread was posted without any planning behind it. We were discussing the list, I got offline, then just hours later it was posted. There was no punishments planned, nothing was figured out except that we had a tier of people. This was by far the biggest mistake in my opinion; anyone remember what happened when Darkwolf was told he was getting banned (Hint: abuse.). Why we would post a thread saying numerous people were in trouble, and not take immediate action is beyond me.
 
Fine. What happened happened. So we start talking punishments. We essentially come to a conclusion that tier 1 will be permed from everything. It wasn't until sunday that we finally got around to figuring out bans and actually handling them out. It was stated that vector and iggy were getting permed, yet not one person said anything about it.
 
So, then another issue arises. Asock and warrior start pushing the limits on the forums. I look into it a little, but just brush it off.. its Asock, I mean you gotta be a little more understanding that its just his personality. I say in the convo that its a perm or nothing for Asock, because I have warned him MANY MANY times. So, someone posts Asocks comments in shoutbox basically saying his goodbye to xG. He knows he crossed the line, so I went ahead with the perm. (BTW, nobody responds regarding the issue of Asock for 12 hours which is why I went ahead and actually did something). Within minutes of me stating that he was permed.. of course everyone gets an opinion. Another bunch of useless arguing gets nowhere regarding Asock, so we return to Vector.
 
Alright, so second thing that really annoys me.
 
We now have
a) Some CL's voicing their opinion days later, and how it was uncalled for that we banned Vector. (Seriously? We went over this, and not one of you guys had an issue).
 
b) We have TF2 staff members threatening us by saying they are leaving, bob the plumber is gonna leave, etc if Vector gets unbanned. Even one of them saying they found a replacement for their Staff position if Vector gets unbanned. (Threatening us? Seriously? Can we just maturely discuss the issue?)
 
 
So if you haven't caught on yet, or maybe i'm just ranting and terrible at explaining what I'm getting pissed about its the following:
 
People aren't voicing their opinion until after a decision is made. Here's where they say I wasn't on to see the convo; well, it went on for more than 24 hours. Had the thread not been rushed out like a news story then we would of had time to properly talk about things.
 
Stop threatening CLs that people are leaving. We get it. It won't influence our decision. Why? Because that would be unfair, we need to find the just punishments not what you all personally want.
 
Cut the crap. EVERYONE. Good lord, I have CLs getting angry, div leaders/managers getting angry, people still insulting each other and not letting them have opinions, what the hell guys.
 
"1. The CL's want to keep an old friend just because he has been here awhile." - I DON'T CARE IF ITS MY BEST FRIEND FROM HIGH SCHOOL. Maybe everyone else is biased but i dont give two poops who I am ever banning/defending, I try to be fair. So don't group everyone in the same boat.
 
And regarding the evidence rule. Could we go ahead and allow some common sense to be substituted for evidence in rare circumstances. I don't go around recording every moment of every conversation someone has, its not fair or right to do that. But common sense tells me who has acted poorly for a long time.
 
 
Now, to end it im going to publically state my personal opinions on both Asock and Vector's bans.
 
 
ASock: Yes I defended him. Yes I then banned him. I've personally dealt with him numerous times in the past, actually permed him once before. Some how it was lifted, without any discussion as far as I was concerned. Why was he permed that first time? He was 100% harassing and bullying me. It was like 2am and nobody was on, he mad me feel like shit; so I took actions into my own hands and permed him. Pretty appropriate for what he was saying. But fine, they unbanned him, we talked and I let him know he had no more room for error. I actually began to respect him for turning around and being much more community oriented. But, he knew he was on his last warning and he broke rules. Whether or not he instigated it or not, it was retaliated and he knew better.
 
Vector: Again, we discussed it, issued bans and it was fine for a little bit. But then some CLs decided now it was a good time to have an opinion. No we have to deal with the consequences of being unprepared. I think he should stay banned, and maybe, just maybe have a chance to be unbanned in the distant future. I won't be for unbanning him, I see no reason to change my point of view.
 
Sorry about novel length post, but sometimes you gotta show everyone what the hell is going on for things to get fixed. And because someone will take this post as rude or disrespectful, thats not the intention. I enjoy everyone in this clan, but at this moment some of my opinions highly differ and the lack of communication between everyone has create numerous problems that I highlighted.
 
And i guess since I am criticizing a lot of things, if you have criticism for me feel free to leave it; I actually don't mind listening to the community for ways I can help be better/make better choices. But be prepared to have a rebuttal twice as long.

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@Tsuchikure

well, this IS rabid, so...

I don't think this thread was made for insulting each other, it was made to criticize people, in a helpful manner like "Hey, work on this.... Try acting like this...", not "UR SUCH A FAG LEWL I H8 U I HOPE U DIE HEHEHEHHUH UHHUEHHEHE"

Sudoku is the proper spelling of the popular japanese puzzle game. sedoku is not a world in any language.
 
Seppuku is the ancient samurai tradition of slicing ones stomach open and removing your own guts.
 
On the internet, Sudoku is someone telling you to commit seppuku while also mocking you by calling you stupid by spelling it differently.

I would also like to add that Flareon uses allchat for stupid silly messages that have no serious tone to them. At least he used to, I haven't been active in a while.

Hope no one takes this to heart but this is how i feel.
 
@Hachi : You let your anger get to you way too much and that honestly makes me not want to talk to you. You told me to stop calling you a weeaboo because you did not like it yet you let others say it and I never used it as an insult. Sometimes you have to just think before you speak like I have to start doing. Plus, you told me to reset the minecraft server so i do not know why you got mad at me about that.
 
@Kypari : You get really mad and let things get to your head way too fast. Don't let those offensive things or insults get the best of you because it does not make you any better for insulting them back. I know you just voiced your opinion in this thread but you have done it in the past.
 
@Tekage : You kind of have the same problem as kypari but again don't let it get to your head.
 
@Gr8_Butt_M8 : You will probably not read this ever but you need to chill out. You acting the way you act on teamspeak and the servers is not funny nor cool. You annoy the living shit out of me all the time by screaming on the top of your lungs about everything and insulting others. Yes I have called you autistic but I get so tired and pissed at your actions it is hard not to say it. I hope you work on not acting all out (i do not know how to put this in a nice way) dumbshit stupid.
 
@Hype : Honestly you are one of the people i question the most on why you want to be in xG and how you got in. You talk shit about us on our servers a lot and honestly it is annoying as shit. You tell people it is not worth donating to us even though we rely on those donations. Why do you stay if you think we are so bad.
 
@Forest : Why do you keep lying about not being staff when you are our eternal co-leader.

I would also like to add that Flareon uses allchat for stupid silly messages that have no serious tone to them. At least he used to, I haven't been active in a while.

My attempt:http://imgur .com/a/HIDkE [remove the spaces]


I'll add circles later!

@Flareon I am sorry but you act like one big god damn attention whore in my eyes. You went on shoutbox yesterday saying "I will never comeback to teamspeak" "I will come back if anyone care (they probably wont)." Jesus christ that just seems like someone just begging to get comments like "I will miss you flareon" because frankly that is just fucking stupid. I have done my fair share of stupid attentionwhore shit but this is honestly so bad for me to ignore.
 
I barely see you do anything on the servers. You only go AFK when I am on and if there is a problem i have had to come on just to do it because you decided to go afk in spctate while someone is blasting moonman over there mic. When I kick you for 1. Time hoarding and 2. AFK slot hogging and you come back and say "Why did you kick me? I was running errands." I come back and you doing the same exact god damn thing. I recommended you for mod because i knew that you could enforce rules and actually be active on Pokemon a lot but now that you have it, you never do anything. Yes you occasionally ban someone or you kick someone but you don't seem to care. Do what you are supposed to do and log out of TF2 or the server if you want to go AFK.
 
EDIT: You make made an attention scene before your promo saying how you where depressed that you were not promoted. Tough shit, people who have been in the clan longer then you have never been promoted and they are 10x more active than you. Learn that not everything is going to be given to you especially when you don't do much anyway.

BRING BACK THE BRITISH RATING, @Rhododendron. That is my main criticism of you. I spent nearly three glorious year spamming that rating, but now it is gone. My precious spam.

The sole point of this thread is to get things off of our chests. The only thing holding you back is the poor excuse of someone getting "salty." Do it while you can.
 
edit: fixed spelling errors

Gayporneon and Vaporeon are 2 different people. This Vaporeon was actually our first eeveelution that didn't join in that pokemon rush. He was a good mod.(something the other can never be) This one doesn't talk, and usually just keeps to himself.

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Another monthly " We are trying " thread, banning people for instances that should already have been taken care of long ago. Never change.

I do have a buddy who met his girlfriend of a few years on our servers, (they're moving in together soon I believe) and Vector ran both of them away from our TGH server.

I fully agree with what has been written here. I have added nothing to the community for so long, and have lived in it long enough to see myself as a tyrant. Goodbye xG, and I promise not to be salty about it. I'm just disappointed to be barred from TS as well. Time for my forum perm. @Dethman @kbraszzz @DrLee @Hidingmaster @diabeetus @Really Anyone
 

+1 pisses me the fuck off

I've never seen you. Neutral.