Red

I didn't intent to troll staff everytime i was just having fun with the script even gave it to staff members to use willingly.
Doesn't matter what i used it for its still trolling and is annoying the staff roster with stupid calladmins once in a while. 
Most of the server already knows i do this and are used to me spinning.
Most people in our staff team don't even know the common hacker and i was just seeing who would fall for it.
 
Example, I was on pokemon trade where I seen caleb who is division manager was by himself so i join and began killing him while i was using my script. He didn't go check in spec nor even watched how i killed him he stood in 1 place each time and i just killed him then he would just ban me just solely off of that which i thought was unprofessional but later i would find out kypari gave him the green light to ban just on the conclusion of spinning on killcam.
I was just testing if our higherups knew what actual hackers are like.
 
A couple days or maybe week ago a user named nicholus.andrick came on tgh who was using a hack cilent and me and my friend got killed by him with his insane flicks and kept twitching to lock onto other players. We went to target him as sniper to just test our theory my friend was in spectate watching as he was seen to use walls and silent aimbot. We would go cloak and dagger spy to mess our with him until staff finally caught on to him. Their were literally multiple staff but none took action until quite later. I know kypari knew he was hacking and got Diaper Wolf to go in spec to see if it was truly hacking which he was caught than perm.
A good percentage of our staff team doesn't know difference between a hacker and the casual player.
Ill provide dem once my friend sends me it.

He does have a script, and I can prove it b/c I have the same one. Its roughly
alias +spin "+left; cl_yawspeed 5000" alias -spin "-left; cl_yawspeed 210" bind f +spin This script is a common meme for snipers/spy/anything using hit-scan. The issue isn't that he has the script, its clearly harmless as you can see, the issue up for debate with it is trolling staff with it.

Saying good  riddance when he barely knows me. What a shit reason to say fuck you.

And fuck you Red 

Wowee. Alright, just something to get out of the way @DepressedNeonNepp and @Red, this is not the time nor place to be doing this. This is a ban request, this thread is meant for members, staff, and the accused to discuss the situation. This is NOT the thread to post about petty squabbles. @DepressedNeonNepp, your first post, although reeking of disdain for him and not much else, was more than enough. You should have left it there.

@Red Please stop engaging, at a certain point this looks equally bad for you. Focus on the thread where you may be banned thanks to behavior like this.

tl;dr If you want to talk shit, go to steam messages. If this continues for too much longer it could end badly for the both of you.
I just saw this. For the love of all that is holy in this world, stop posting stuff like this here.

@Red @DepressedNeonNepp Seriously, both of you, kiss and make up. Congratulations, you've both acted like pricks to each other and continue to for that reason. With how unbridled both of you have been it doesn't make a lick of a difference who started what or said that, all that matters now is who decides to actually be the bigger man and just stop vs who keeps up this unsavory pettiness. 

I literally posted why I think he should be banned and he brought up things that had no relevance to try and guilt me. I'm not gonna make up with him solely for that.

Who are you seriously. I made a joke comment saying "good riddance" after you said you were leaving the community in a disrespectful way and even before that you acted childish on thr forums when someone called you out for it and would proceed to disrespect staff trying to help you, and i realized it kinda backfired when i made that comment but none the less.
I still think that one comment said on the forum is taken too seriously. I haven't really protrait my toxicity on the forums. But apparently it seems that poking jokes on someone who seems to not care about this community or the people in it at all.

And I wasn't really leaving in a rude way I was responding to rudeness with rudeness.

Well saying I don't really like red and that that wasn't in the way doesn't really make this irrelevant. I said that my reason was based on evidence and it had nothing to do with me being salty.
And don't bring the spam into this it has no relevance to the topic.

Who are you seriously. I made a joke comment saying "good riddance" after you said you were leaving the community in a disrespectful way and even before that you acted childish on thr forums when someone called you out for it and would proceed to disrespect staff trying to help you, and i realized it kinda backfired when i made that comment but none the less.
I still think that one comment said on the forum is taken too seriously. I haven't really protrait my toxicity on the forums. But apparently it seems that poking jokes on someone who seems to not care about this community or the people in it at all.

That statement was directed at @SegFault since he believed your remarks towards sorcerer were solely rested on the situation sorcerer himself caused which makes sense considering seg was only involved after that point. The examples of how you acted to him in the snippets above though occurred well before that is what was being explained. 
Ultimately though whatever reason you may have had to initially dislike him doesn't formulate an excuse to act distastefully in retort any more then excusing it within the lines of "I broke a rule cause he broke a rule".
With what @Chrono tacked on with your behavior on the forums and how that example itself being entirely unprovoked it makes it hard to heartily trust that your actions haven't been mostly abrasive towards others, taking back to the second situation with luxuria it's hard to accept you weren't targeting him in any way when you harked back on that specific situation in a fairly horrendous way.   I do appreciate how you've come forward about all of this but there's sadly no reasoning this kind of behavior. 
How in the hell does owning up after being outed measure up to taking responsibility? While there's situations that he isn't the only person acting poorly to say that's been the case every time in this month long situation is an ignorant stretch. 
Do you understand the purpose of highlighting at all? The chatlogs are available to anyone if you'd like to poke through and defend the things he has said instead of just leaving a passive remark to the validity of him very clearly acting in ways against the rules. A lot of what involved the actions of other people has already been discussed at this point and even in the cases, as already stated, he wasn't the only person acting poorly that doesn't mean that he wasn't still acting poorly nonetheless. 
Now I'm taking this part entirely second hand but I BELIEVE the point of it is that he is effectively trying to purposefully trick and distract staff into suspecting him of cheating, not that he actually is in any manner. In other words an in server variant of a troll calladmin. Now whether this was his intent (I'd honestly assume not) or if it was actually to any extent that would demand valid suspicion from staff compared to obvious joking around, I can't say myself, but that's just explaining why his usage of an alt was being gone into. 

I actually agree if he takes responsibility after Elcark already caught him what's the fucking point. I obviously don't like Red but that's not getting in the way. He seems like a person that should get banned for doing what he did even if he owned up. It wouldn't have mattered if he'd done it before because he still did it. I personally never played with him so I don't have much say in this but I still think from evidence he should be banned.

I don't know where you got that from this happened after the day i met rogueport.
It was the day where sorcerer returned to tgh. He was using his mic most of the time and when me and @bags werwere playing scout just dming people i killed sorcerer multiple time until he killed me with crit than would begin to shit talk me and bags and began praising wave and thats when we called him wave dick rider or massive wave fan. I never solely went after him at the start, he's the one to start most of his problem but it seems like your making me one to just start random beef with whom i chose. He's constant troll and love to annoy or egg people into reaction which i would find out the day on where we both got into a petty argument.

I was purposely baiting staff to calladmin when on my alt account but would begin to use it when i was locked out my main for a few days. I'll take responsibiliy for that even though if i was warned to stop baiting staff i would had done it long ago but to have it addreass here is silly in my option.

-1 for revocation of member/perm.
Everyone was in the wrong here, but only red has had the guts to actually admit it and take responsibility for his actions. 

Notice how the chatlogs only highlight the worst of only what he’s said to paint an untrue picture rather than the entire convo to highlight others’ faults. It’s just cherrypicking at best. ?

Disclaimer: just wrote my respond about this and its pretty late so my bad on the spelling and lack of grammar.
 
I was in the wrong at the beginning when I thought I wouldn't get in trouble when I began to micspam baby noises for brief 5 seconds until sorcerer told me to stop which I did then replied a few moments later with a pedophile remark about my child then we both just started to argue and use slurs when arguing in chat but I got gagged for racism when he said the n word also and I started chatting to @SegFault to deal with the situation by either giving us both the same punishment. Which i personally thought i was dealt with.
I never associate with luxuria to and to even bother trying to make him quit the server. it was mainly yunyun trying to dm him on aquatic which then he proceeded to leave afterwards until giving a statement on how he depressed which I would then later say.

I wasn't even trying to go for luxuria I was just pissed off at sorcerer that day which isn't really a good excuse but I will owe up to it and accept it that I made him leave the server due to that one comment and even though I never tried to target him in anyway. 
I don't recall everything that happened that day but please if anyone who was there thought otherwise please come forward with your perspective of the situation and I would like to have their side of the conversation if anyone could provide.
to keep it plain and simple, sorcerer made pedophile remark on voicechat or chat ( I don't remember.) which I would then get furious and start to go at him before staff got involved and would take a dig at luxu
 


 
I told YunYun to not associate with sorcerer due to the fact that previous day was coming at me and @Bags on mic and was constantly complaining about dying and was trolling then would begin to talk about wave for most of the time and called him massive wave fanboy. I don't see how any of that would mean I was toxic just simply telling a friend not to talk to one person.

brutarii changed his name to n-cartel which I would then say "nigger cartel" * no excuses 

I still don't know how this is relating to me being toxic? The "cry about it" was just bind I made cause Megan/Vesper would usually spam that in chat which I would then say it after her.
lag switching was a joke when I saw cheeto lag on the server a ton until I realized it was his connection and I would say stop lag switching just to see his respond.


 
For all those slurs remarks i'd like to take full responsibility of them and say that I kind got tired of being censored and would use those slurs during times when I was playing with either friends on the server or late night tgh or pkmn trade when it wasn't really populated or staff wasn't on. I got used to it because no one really noticed until recently where i'll just say it out of the blue or to go after someone. 
 
Members shouldn't be doing the exact opposite of what he should be representing on the server and by that I owe up to it.
I'm fine with week or two for toxicity / racism.
as for membership removal i'd like to keep it but hopefully work on my behavior while i'm away from the server.
 
 
 
 

I'm going purely based off of what I was told happened, not just by red but by sorcerer as well. Sorcerer admitted to me that over mic he intentionally made a situation out of it to egg red on and instigate trouble. I'm not saying either players behavior was acceptable, only that I understand why there was a reaction like that from Red. 
As a side note b/c it doesn't appear this is going to be an issue for red here: I agree with the membership statement, but I would say in general our control of it until this point has been pretty passive (at least for the past year or so as far as I can recall). If we are to reexamine how we revoke membership I don't feel like its fair to throw a member under the bus by having us decide on their ban thread and having them be the guinea pig for a policy. 

+1
I've seen Red change badly from these past few months, I remember one time seeing that he had three or four calladmin's in one day under a previous alias "gingo" for micspam, I finally had caught him the third time or fourth time, but it took a long while.
He's also been acting really toxic recently too, as Elcark said, he had people leave the server due to it. Although I haven't seen it myself him making people leave, I have seen the more disrespectful side Red.

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Team Fortress 2 Offenders In-Game Name
Red Offender's Identity
STEAM_0:1:52947739 Ban Type
Server Ban Explanation and Evidence
As a mild disclaimer i'm making this in place of someone who would rather remain anonymous in the ordeal, so ideals and opinions will waver slightly. Of course it's what everyone else feels that is important, this is just to get the situation out in the open.
So to through it out then, our member @Red has been acting atrociously on the servers as of late. It was first brought to my attention when he and the player yunyun both straight up drove someone off the server and then more and more complaints have been addressed about his behavior. Overall he has constantly acted with disrespect (to put it very lightly) towards all sorts of people on the server, repeatedly used slurs when staff aren't on and apparently trying to bait staff into believing he is a hacker including using an alt to this end (I haven't been able to get a clear answer to if it was positively his own alt, so until a higher up checks such a thing take that piece with a grain of salt). 
Pieces from chatlogs
There's the straight forward call for a ban of some kind to take place for all this here, but there's more being asked here then just that. Red's membership is being brought into question for this in terms of being flat out removed. Now i'm going to go ahead and make this more complicated then it has to be and bring up a few aspects in accord to this idea. 
First of all, there's been many cases of members acting in similar ways and in the more extreme cases it being acknowledged as problematic enough to the point of them getting banned themselves (more than once for some) yet their own membership never came into question. There's never really been a high demand of membership removal for issues of behavior outside of far fewer situations but at the same time there's always been a general claim to the standard at which members are held as representatives of the community and how one should behave in regards to that. If this kind of behavior was done by someone applying for membership today, they would absolutely be denied for it. Now Red has been a member for quite some time and would have received it at a time where it wasn't handed out quite as lightly as it is now, but that brings into question how much merit can be attributed to the difference in how membership is handled now compared to before. 
In regards to membership when the changes occurred, there was two things stated; membership while easier to receive would also be easier to lose, and also that there would be some differentiation in membership through some form of "senior" membership or some similar method. Whether this was dropped for reasons pertaining to avoiding a divide between membership or if it was simply forgotten about, it's never been cleared to much of an extent at all from @virr @Rhododendron and @Aegean where how this has been passed up for some many people in the past stands between actual trust and merit someone has earned vs turning a blind eye. 
A far more simple way of viewing this though would be a matter of if this kind of behavior on the servers should be tolerable for any one of our members who represents the community as a whole through such actions. 

It does really come across badly to staff, so try to keep that in mind!
In terms of the behavior on the servers, I can't say you're the only person who acts like this. There has been a wave of people who have been fairly toxic and aggressive to other players recently on TGH (though I personally feel you are a bit more distinct), so I hope this is some kind of a wake-up call to you guys!
In terms of punishment, your response is definitely making me lean more towards a +1 week ban and -1 removal of membership. Nice to see that you want to improve yourself, I respect that immensely! However, if such events do happen again, obviously something more serious such as your membership being revoked will actually be in much more serious question than this.

20 years old, currently going to college on my 2nd semester of computer programming and just working mostly to provide my family.

In regards to Red and Sorcerer I believe the context of it is understandable, he was trying to defend his daughter who keep in mind, is a young child, and I can't even imagine how offensive and infuriating it was to hear what was said and read that about a his own child.
As for the interaction with lux, I was not there so I can't voice much of an opinion there.
 
I fully agree with this and believe a extended ban is in order for general behavior, interactions with others, and trolling.
In terms of revoking membership, I think Aegean nailed, just because Red messed up a bit doesn't mean hes not welcome here IMO. He's been a long standing member and an active contributor to our community, which I feel shows he cares more than enough to stay part of it.
+1 for ban, -1 for revoking of membership.

20 years old and applied to a bunch of medical schools recently. I doubt I'll get in this year since I rushed all my shit; shitty applications and average on the MCAT (only studied 4 weeks prior). But my gpa is up there so I should eventually get into a medical school. It depends on when I do well on my MCAT haha