I definitely understand but the problem is when people refuse to mature. From what I've seen with depressedneonnep, he's definitely gotten much better. Goldfish has had a LOT of trouble maturing or even admitting he's wrong for a while but I can see him slowly changing. Dukey is pretty much just a meme, we only don't like how he used to play in 10mans because he team killed the entire team because he was being toxic and had to leave. Icy being a bad DM was a meme. He wasn't, as far as I could tell. The problem with icy was being an adult and refusing to change the way he acts. Apart from being toxic as fuck on 10mans and DMing me with disgusting fucking pictures, icy was usually a pretty chill guy. Kind of like CT_SLAYER, he was chill but then left in a temper tantrum.