Brian

You know, if you see somebody being disrespectful like this, you can ban them before it gets out of control? Do you not know how to use admin powers? If he keeps doing it, extend the ban.
+1 for unban. It's not his fault you allowed him to continue this behavior without repercussion. Now, he should still learn that this isn't OK. Maybe change it to a week ban. Otherwise, ban him if he gets out of control, or just report him to a higher up and let them take care if it. A few warnings with no temp. bans then perm for messing around is WAAAY to harsh. I even looked at the bans to make sure. Most of the bans are @diabeetus saying "beef flaps" and are for 10 minutes on CSS, not even TF2. There's only two for TF2, and they were back in 2013.
 
Do you want a guide on how to be a big boy too? How to change your own underwear so mommy doesn't have to?
 
This circlejerk is actually disgusting. 20+ members would leave if ONE person was banned? Good riddance. The point of being an admin is to be unbiased and moderate the servers without having an opinion, negative or positive, about the people you're watching over. This proves if anything that most of the TF2 division is too immature if they leave because one bad man says bad things. Boo Hoo. Get over it. You're supposed to be the mature one, not the one crying over it.

The only people who want him unbanned from what I see are the people who never (if not rarely) play on tf2 servers. I wouldn't have much of problem if he is unbanned on forums to prove himself, but on tf2 servers, just no.

So @Chrono now that @ASock is unbanned that means that it's equal if I don't get a perm, right?

-1 for unban.
CL's hopefully will read the rant I posted and hopefully re-read what my higher-up's have posted: Showing that this is a very serious decision. This can go 2 ways: Vector stays banned and server population/community on the servers get better. -OR- Vector gets un-banned and LOTS of people leave. Along with all the higher-ups, staff and members. The division will fall. I hope @CL's will make the right decision.
Also unban Iggy if you unban Vector that's just fucking unfair.

Eyy bby gurl you gave me a game. Eternal cool guy in my book.

Sorry for retaliating and making things for both of us worse ;~;

All of these +1 should be unbanned do not know the vector on tf2. He makes EVERYONE uncomfortable. He has caused multiple people to leave and never comeback and if any of you saw this, you would want him permed from everything. Do you want positive change?

"Not sugar coating" things doesn't mean being racist. Ironically, your phrase "difference in opinion" is sugar coating your hostility and racism towards them. There is never an ok time to be seriously racist. I'm pretty sure this whole conflict started because you were attacking them because you didn't like young kids in the clan and then when they retaliated, you called it off as being a "joke" and saying they don't have any humor, using their race as a medium.

Words cannot describe how dumb this thread is. @Chrono have fun with the banning spree 2.0
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Okay, this is out of hand

This is sad... you guys are trying to make fun of British people to get attention for yourselves, I don't see why you can't find something else to make fun of other than actual people, not to mention this is clearly racist which isn't allowed in xG :/

I've got quite a bit to say on this topic. I'll post something later, I'm at work right now and probably shouldn't be texting lol. Just don't go locking this thread anytime soon. :)

In this situation to me it feels like you are being extremely bias. You simply dismissed Brian's over the top bm and OBVIOUS RACISM as something to just shrug off your shoulders but are claiming that Kypari needs to be convicted of a ban in a situation where his bm was not at all as severe as Rabid or Brian. You KNOW this. Additionally, Kypari and Tekage WERE the victims because this all started because of Brian's racism thread aka "British Humor Thread". You also KNOW that no conflict would ever have happened if Rabid and Brian didn't begin with their instigation on Kypari and Tekage. Now, mind you, I don't really like their personalities and am not really friends with them, but its clear to me that you are being biased because you are chummy with Rabid and don't like young kids in xG.
 
@diabeetus @DrLee @ThePenguin @CommunityLeaders ( @Forest )

Maybe I'm too old for this place, but what do you mean by chummy?
 
 
You want the truth. People are gonna be against banning certain older members because.. Theyve been here a long time. Brian was a big deal a few years back, its like saying let's ban forest for something. (Essentially banning a well known and popular friend). There are pockets of major biasness in the clan, nobody can deny it.
 
What do I think personally should happen?
 
1) Rabid banned. Which he is permed right now, but I do feel bad for doing it meaning it could be changed since I'm getting pressured by other people to get it lessened.
 
2) Kypari gets a warning since he has never been a problem before.
 
3) Brian gets a week ban, plus a final warning since it has happened before.
 
Just my 2 cents, but it'll come down to who has more friends. I promise I'm not trying to be passive aggressive or rude about it, but from my long experience here that's how most stuff goes down.

you can't use the excuse that he is good on the server when he is bad on the forums. you have to be good on both especially as staff. and there is actual evidence of this behavior.

Let's start. You say that you are mainly an issue on the forums and not in-game. Do you realize that if you were to be demoted, it's more of a judge or character, rather than two different platforms. That's like saying you committed hate crimes in on part of the country but not the other, so you shouldn't have it documented on one side. That's not how this works. Part of being a moderator is having the same mentality on and off the field. You can't act one way to make sure you cover your own ass, then behave like an absolute moron someplace else and expect no to be punished. That's not how the real world works. You messed on on the forums, so @Chrono is making a judge of character.
 
+1
 
We don't need this person as a mod. You can't act like you're right or higher up than you actually are by trying to get me and rabid banned from the forums just because we have a difference in opinion, or because of the way I say that opinion. That's not the sign of maturity, but rather of ignorance. I don't need another ignorant moderator telling me what I can and can't do, because it "might hurt somebody's feelings." And even if I mess up, you don't automatically need to ban me just because I messed up once.
 
This is directed not only @Kypari, but at most of the TF2 Division that has a problem with me. So far, from this so called "community" I have been called the following.

Racist
Troll
Bigoted

And for what? Because I don't sugar coat it and make you feel better? You do realize that most of the stuff I say is because I actually care about the clan, and the circlejerk that has been created is obviously ruining it, right?

what?

Ehh, what you've done in the past and who you are isn't much of an issue. In my own experience you've had your fair share at picking at me and I just laughed it off and grew off of it. It would be a shame if you got banned again because I enjoyed reading some of your posts (of course if it's within context and not just bm'ing everyone everywhere). Who you are is who you are, quite literally if someone doesn't get along with you they just choose to not hang around you and that's what should happen. Just don't mess up again next time :']

Hai ginger
 
 
Edit: ITS NOT MY FAULT HE WAS BORN RED HEADED.

Dang this thread is hella funny. Some of the people who wanted him to stay banned previously stated he kept the servers alive on his own.
 
Anyways I don't have a lot to say right now, but he probably shouldn't have been permed randomly out of the blue.

You know, if you see somebody being disrespectful like this, you can ban them before it gets out of control? Do you not know how to use admin powers? If he keeps doing it, extend the ban.
+1 for unban. It's not his fault you allowed him to continue this behavior without repercussion. Now, he should still learn that this isn't OK. Maybe change it to a week ban. Otherwise, ban him if he gets out of control, or just report him to a higher up and let them take care if it. A few warnings with no temp. bans then perm for messing around is WAAAY to harsh. I even looked at the bans to make sure. Most of the bans are @diabeetus saying "beef flaps" and are for 10 minutes on CSS, not even TF2. There's only two for TF2, and they were back in 2013.
 
Do you want a guide on how to be a big boy too? How to change your own underwear so mommy doesn't have to?
 
This circlejerk is actually disgusting. 20+ members would leave if ONE person was banned? Good riddance. The point of being an admin is to be unbiased and moderate the servers without having an opinion, negative or positive, about the people you're watching over. This proves if anything that most of the TF2 division is too immature if they leave because one bad man says bad things. Boo Hoo. Get over it. You're supposed to be the mature one, not the one crying over it.

Posted this in the convo but wanted it to be made clear.
 
The reason we have no evidence is because we've all been ignoring him for so long. Playing on the server with him is so tiresome that we just don't do it anymore, even to get evidence for his removal.
 
If and when he gets unbanned though, all of that changes.
 
We've tried warning him inside of the division multiple times (one on one teamspeak chat in a locked channel with higher ups of the div). He was demoted for this type of behavior. I don't know what the CLs count as a warning, but he has way more than one.
 
He's had enough warnings, and if this goes through we're really only left with one course of action.
 
His every word on the servers will be recorded, every conversation screenshotted. We don't have evidence, so we're going to get some. If he changed then good, nothing to worry about. But does anyone that knows vector, either from CSS or TF2, honestly think he's going to change?
 
I'm guessing probably not. And with every action and word documented, he's going to have two choices: change or actually be permed. I wonder which he'll choose.

At minimum he needs a warning though as he does this occasionally.

So, if I understood it right:
You banned ASock, someone unbanned him, and he's not banned anymore.
ASock is now on his last warning and any further disrespect an harrassment will be tolerated from him.
 
Vector is banned, and he will not be unbanned in your opinion.
 
Did I understand this correctly?