never said i slay slay and ban and only use logs to deal out punishment logs are helpful to see if somebody is random shooting to tell them to stop it, and karma only stops the not very smart mass rdmer's. the only times i would ban would be mass rdmer's and repeat offenders who just dont care about the rdm's they do but even then that is a time out. im all for helping new players learn how to play and teachin em the rules.