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I'm not one for eloquent long posts so this'll be short. While I expect some arguing between staff members (not everyone can get along all the time) but behavior like this is simply unacceptable. A member of xG (let alone a staff member) displaying such poor and blatantly awful behavior such as this will not be tolerated under any circumstances. I don't care if the two of you (Chickenpanda and Bello) don't see exactly eye-to-eye, but this is ridiculous. If I (or any other of the CL's) see such terrible behavior again, there will be immediate consequences.
 
EDIT: due to conversation restrictions I decided to post this in admin discussion instead of in a conversation. Those who can, please pass this message on to Chickenpanda and Bello.

Alright, it's 1:00am and these comments have me all pissed off when I should be asleep, as I have to be up in five hours.
 
First off, I'm pretty damn sure that when the DMs put a rule into place, it's put into place and everyone abides by it. Spawncamping has always been a touchy issue in our servers, but the rule about teleporting spawn camps was established quite a while ago when we had an issue with one of our mods breaking a camp without permission. We ironed out a lot of the details behind the rules when that happened. How it didn't make its way to the MOTD is beyond me, but that doesn't give everyone the green light to ignore the new rules.
 
That being said, I'm fully aware of the incoming "I didn't know it was a rule" claims that are about to be made, and because of the mess ups on our behalf, you're gonna skate by on this one. But HENCEFORTH, I have personally made sure the rules on spawncamping have been clarified in the MOTD, and EVERYONE will abide by them.
Also henceforth, if members have complaints or are needed to give input on a situation, there will be no more anonymous nonsense going on. You have problems to solve? Log in and handle them. I'm tired of the "keep me out of it" nonsense. No, if you're going to be part of this community, you're going to discuss things like a big boy.
Xerses, after reviewing the video again, even if you're intentions were not ill-conceived, you seriously set off a bad vibe to the point where someone escalated a complaint against you. I'd highly suggest you be more careful with your choice of words. I'll discuss this further with the other DMs and post our conclusion when we have time to deliberate.
 
Until now, nobody is getting the axe. We will reopen the thread when a decision is made.
 
~Thread closed. (Temporarily)

How is it unfair? Staff that are inactive will be fished out, (as they didn't join the group) and any staff that refuse to join the group shouldn't really have staff powers at all. If you feel that joining a steam group, and accepting a friend request (two things that literally take only a few seconds at most) is too much for you to handle, then I'll have to ask you to resign your powers as a staff member, as you are either grossly incompetent or insubordinate.
 
Anyways, I really like this and I'm glad to see it implemented. I wish we had something like this during the olden days with CS:S, it would have helped with staff communication a ton.

How is it unfair? Staff that are inactive will be fished out, (as they didn't join the group) and any staff that refuse to join the group shouldn't really have staff powers at all. If you feel that joining a steam group, and accepting a friend request (two things that literally take only a few seconds at most) is too much for you to handle, then I'll have to ask you to resign your powers as a staff member, as you are either grossly incompetent or insubordinate.
 
Anyways, I really like this and I'm glad to see it implemented. I wish we had something like this during the olden days with CS:S, it would have helped with staff communication a ton.

How is it unfair? Staff that are inactive will be fished out, (as they didn't join the group) and any staff that refuse to join the group shouldn't really have staff powers at all. If you feel that joining a steam group, and accepting a friend request (two things that literally take only a few seconds at most) is too much for you to handle, then I'll have to ask you to resign your powers as a staff member, as you are either grossly incompetent or insubordinate.
 
Anyways, I really like this and I'm glad to see it implemented. I wish we had something like this during the olden days with CS:S, it would have helped with staff communication a ton.

It will take you two seconds, get over it. It's to better the servers.

Thank you for posting this. This isn't exactly an acceptable response to whatever harassment befell him. If someone actually was harassing him I'd suggest we look into it, but to me it looks like he's severely over-reacting to something rather trivial. Based off the screenshots I find it a little hard to believe that he was unjustly banned, and that there's some kind of harassment-promoting conspiracy within the tf2 staff. #PuppetsandSecrets

Who was he banned by again? I'll look into this.
 
Edit:
 
Nevermind, found the ban. He was banned by Scootaloo for "Harassment and Death Threats for trivial reasons". There is a demo attached, so I'll watch it and get back to you guys.
 
Edit 2:
 
He seems like he has problems. I don't know how you want to deal with this, Rhodo, but we are definitely keeping the ban. He seems a little unstable.
 
Take a look at the attached chat log screenshots:

Yes it does, we promised @jubens45 he could be leader. I also nominate PuppyLuv as co-leader

You're gonna need a new European Moderator because things get super shitty in the morning.
Glad to see you finally leave this clan, worse than 4chan.

Division:


Team Fortress 2
In-Game Name:


Bach
Offender's Steam ID:


Doesn't matter right now
Rules Broken:


Aimbot on an alt account
Evidence:


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Last night, it was reported (via an anonymous vigilante) that Bach uses an alt account for aimbotting. Essentially, the purpose of this thread is to discuss whether or not his main account should be banned (hint: it should, and there's a 1000% chance that it will), and to get Bach's input/response. If any of you turds attempt to turn this thread into a poop-storm (ex: the bobbywow ban protest) your posts will be deleted and/or you will be banned on the forums.
 
@Bach @ThePenguin @DrLee @Hidingmaster @kbraszzz @Moosty @metalslug53 @Nomulous @Rhododendron @Bleed (the special snowflake of my heart)

For someone who left the clan on such poor terms, I expect to see actual vouches (I would use Dethman's vouch as a template) on this submission. Any vouch that contains the phrase "cool guy" in any form will not be counted.

Can confirm. I BM everyone. Ex-division manager for TF2 and ex-community leader. Any other questions I am pretty friendly and approachable

Who's Loki? also dont let it get to you thats what said person wants, ignore the g+ account, remove it from you block it, just dont actually respond. they go away if you stop responding.

My uncle went to the same high school that I'm currently at, and for their senior prank they bought thousands of live crickets and poured them over the balcony that's above our cafeteria during lunch. You probably wouldn't be able to get away with this nowadays but it'd be good for a chuckle or two.

Seriously?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXWBvB4U-cA
 
There's no reason to remove his membership. First things first, the workplace comparison is totally inappropriate given the circumstances. We are an internet gaming clan, almost universally comprised of memers and trolls. We are the shit-stain at the bottom of the filthy-ass scumbucket that is the internet. On a regular basis, people say much worse things on TS and we're totally fine with it. People in this thread use the word "nigger" in their regular vocabulary (*cough* @Kyoko *cough*) yet they're never punished. Why? Because we know that they're not fucking racist. Just because Iggy changes his name to Captain Nazi on steam, changes his avatar and status to a swastika, does not mean that he's a racist. Iggy doesn't have steam groups dedicated to hating ethnic and religious minorities, he doesn't go on rants on TS about how much he hates jews, blacks and immigrants, so from what I can tell he's not a racist. For pete's sake people, there's a nazi server group on TS. Do we punish those people because this makes them automatically racists and terrible people? Of course not. If you honestly think that Iggy should have his membership revoked, then about 50%+ of xenogamers also needs to have their membership revoked.

Changing numbers in the system always changes things. Whether it is huge or small change.
 
One example of why the age requirement should stay:
In America 16 years of age shows gives a lot of things in life. Federal law appoints you to be able to drive, and you're also considered an adult in the court system (which is pretty big). You can make more decisions as a 16-year-old, compared to someone who is 15 and below. This alone gives more reason to raise the bar on the age requirement. Assuming that when people submit ban appeals/request, member submissions/protests, or participate in the community in general you'll have whole different range of debate. Meaning that things might actually be done with better responses, instead of a shotty reason and a "+1".
 
Also statistically, 16-year-olds are more mature than humans that are below the age of 16 in a general population. You can't give a rebuttal with examples like Kypari, Tekage, and Shogun Yao. Them themselves in the general population of xG aren't a large enough number of people to really pull the age requirement down. Essentially they are the one percent.

I'll promote CLs

*grabs popcorn*
But seriously, will post my thoughts and the plan I have thought up for this summer to fix these issues. Too busy with finals to focus on this, sorry!

Ah yes, Sweden, a proud member of that exclusive pantheon of countries dumb enough to invade Russia during the winter.
 
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Also, please don't make any more of these "insert random country name here" threads. One of them was enough. If you really feel the need to post something like this, just make it a reply to one of the existing threads.

you can touch my raw meat ;)

"Grocery is not a retail job" - Diabeetus, 2k15

1. The main base in certain games that we have divisions in are under the age 17 and mainly around the ages of 13 - 14. This would not be a problem but a lot of the people who play on our servers are younger from what i have observed. If this limit stays, we probably will lose a lot of interest in people even wanting to be member. I could be wrong but that is how i see it going.
 
2. Age does not really reflect maturity. I do not know why people think that just because someone is 14, they are more immature than a 16 or 17 year old member. I have seen more older members act immature than i have ever seen a 14 year old member.
 
3. It is extremely unfair to people who have waited. There are a lot of people who have been waiting for quite a while just so they can make a member app when they turn 14. They put in a lot of time on the servers and now we have to turn them away for another 2-3 years just because of there age? Does not seem right to me.
 
Some possible solutions to fix this.
 
1. How about if a 14/15 year old person makes a member application, they have to get 15 vouches including those from the Division Leader or Division Manager. (Shadowspys idea)
 
2. If not 15 vouches, how about 20 like former members? It is a lot harder for them to get in so maybe this will work.
 
3. Have a voting system, Silence was talking about a voting system instead of vouches. Maybe we could try it out and see if it works.

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Disclaimer: This post provides a different perspective from the norm, in a manor which is JUST for suggestive purposes.
 
When someone comes to our forums to make a ban protest, many moderators and administrators are handling them in a way which doesn't solve anything.
 
It only inflames the issue further to the point where there is arguing and a chance that the person will join the server "one last time" and mass freekill.
 
Instance #1: xG Rep: "You should have been banned for longer". In my opinion, this is completely unacceptable to be saying to anyone who posts a ban protest. This is essentially telling to the person to "F!$k off" after taking the time to write a ban protest. Use this ban protest to tell the people what they did wrong and try to prevent future issues.
 
Instance #2: Offender: "I don't know what I did wrong" xG Rep: "Can you please close the thread, the ban has expired". The proper response to this should be "This is what you did wrong and these are the rules on our server. If you have any further questions feel free to ask." xG Rep: "It's been three days without a response, can someone NOW please close the thread."
 
Instance #3: Offender: "I was banned for this duration. This is what happened, and I think my ban was unfair" xG Member: Rating "F!$k off" @Rhododendron Why this even available in ban protests? It's heavily subject to abuse.
 
Instance #4: Offender: "I would like to protest my ban, what did I do wrong" *Someone posts what he did wrong and the evidence* xG Member: "You're a horrible person. I mean, who would do that kind of thing?". In this case, the xG Member needs to a) Not post something like that period and b) Hold off until the protester has a chance to reply to the evidence.
 
If the offender acknowledges what they did wrong, a ban drop or reduction should be considered to solidify them learning not to commit anther offensive. (or at least say "This was a serious offense, this is when your ban expires, come back then".) When you ban and unban like that, it packs double the punch in teaching the person not to commit anther offensive. It's one thing accept a punishment and anther to actually learn what was done wrong and how to avoid it in the future.

It's because people saying things like this that we even have this problem.... it's still spamming it just isn't flooding the server.... just like... when someone and their 5 friends are each hitting their bind 1 time all together doesn't make it not spam.