Barmithian

With me it would be a mystery, Like that uncle that visits you and you don't know if he'll be nice to you or rape you. it's a surprise every visit.

Never going to happen.

didnt tag me. our friendship is over.

:)

JanalBox is the laughing stock of the aimbot empire. Only use it has is on Farmville.

play xGs csgo jailbreak :)

sky williams is pretty funny in some of his videos
 
 
real talk- I almost never try to start fights and I always fill in ranked just because it increases my chances of winning. I dont really compliment people often but I try to get along with everyone because it increases your chances of winning.

agar.io
Most people know about it already, but it's a game where you play against other people as a cell trying to become the biggest cell that can consume everyone.

agar.io
Most people know about it already, but it's a game where you play against other people as a cell trying to become the biggest cell that can consume everyone.

even though everyone is being like "yeah he's right guys +1+1+1+1+1+1+1 yeah guys we should be mature and deal with our problems like adults" I know for one fact NO ONE in this thread will be even SLIGHTLY affected.
The reason being the fact that this is the internet
this thread has a nice purpose and i totally respect the effort put into it but if you actually want this to have any impact on anyone, you need to re-evaluate your promotions first (take a hint on how im talking about certain moderators and mostly admins (who have been re-promoted recently (do i need to be more specific?)))
edit: also i know nothing about the "events last night" so this came outta nowhere for me

I can see that very important matters are being discussed here kappa

I can see that very important matters are being discussed here kappa

Well boys and girls, here we go with yet ANOTHER thread about how we should be treating each other. I thought my last post about this very subject would have been enough to set the guidelines, but apparently I was wrong.
 
Back in May, I post a PSA about how the upper staff were going to be handling complaints about other members in our clan. If you are unfamiliar with that thread, or if you need a refresher, you can read about it here: Psa: There Is To Be A Change To How We Handle Complaints.
 
In the last thread, we addressed many issues in hopes of bringing the levels of drama down to a minimum. The biggest issue we were facing was that our members were, for whatever reason, incapable of communicating with each other in order to work out little issues, as to prevent them from snowballing into big issues. The tl;dr of it was that it was expected that if a problem were to arise, you would work it out with the person you're having issues with, that way the upper staff wouldn't have to hold hands and babysit our members when a small conflict became an issue.
 
Obviously, this measure has failed entirely. I'm quite frankly baffled at the stupid, inane bullshit that we are having to pander to, and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. I tried being nice and being helpful, giving friendly reminders to play fairly, but if it isn't going to get results, I'll have to take a harsher course of action instead.
 
For the most part, we are all adults here. Some of us are not quite there yet, but I feel that in this clan, we hold a very high sense of responsibility and respect here, to a certain degree, that we expect everyone to stand up to. As adults, there is absolutely NO REASON why we should be unable to work things out with each other, or ensure that we just ignore each other if a solution cannot be met.
 
Without naming names, I can attest that there is still a LARGE issue with drama and talking behind others' backs. @Ohstopyou, @kbraszzz, and myself were ankle deep in it last night, and literally EVERY SINGLE ISSUE that was presented to us could have been solved if the people involved had talked with one another instead of complaining about each other to other members behind each others' backs. Really? This is what we are STILL struggling with? THESE are the problems we are making for each other?
 
I'm honestly at a loss for words. I honestly have no idea what the next measure should be. All I know is that all this unnecessary drama is creating a rift in our clan, and if we don't find a way to squash it, it will tear us apart. I graduated high school nearly ten years ago. I shouldn't have to put up with this.
 
In the end, we are a TEAM. ALL of us. Whether you like someone on your team or not, you are expected to maintain a level of respect and communication with your teammates. Personal feelings be damned. I don't give a rat's ass who likes who or who hates who. If you're going to be a part of my moderation staff, you will treat each other with respect and dignity, not go behind each other's backs to spread rumors and speak ill of each other.
 
So, effective immediately, I'm just NOT going to deal with it anymore. My higher up staff is NOT going to deal with it anymore. Nothing nice to say? Don't say anything at all. Dislike someone? Ignore them and stay away from them. Keep your opinions to yourself and don't spread toxicity to each other. Don't speak ill of people who cannot be there to defend themselves, and don't be an asshole when you're trying to talk to each other. Be mindful in the fact that context is a VERY real thing, and when we have multiple people saying multiple things that are taken out of context, it creates HUGE problems. Escalating these petty issues to the higher-ups when it has nothing to do with our clan can and will result in punishment for all parties involved. If we honestly cannot deal with each other in a respectable way, I don't feel you deserve a place on my staff.
 
I would like everyone to, effective immediately, begin treating your staff position like a job, because for all intents and purposes, that's what it is. This is a job minus the pay. And while you are here, performing your duties, you are expected to handle yourself in a respectful and responsible manner. If you went into a place of business, started a bunch of unnecessary drama with a coworker, then took your personal issues to your management, their reaction would be "Get it together and handle your issues, or you can look for a different employer." We are NOT here to be guidance counselors. We are NOT here to play mediator. We are here to make sure our staff does what is expected of them and ensure our game servers are being moderated.
 
If you have beef with a member, fix it. I'm done putting up with this. If you can't fix it, ignore the people you have problems with. If issues continue to be issues, your staff position will then be at stake, whether or not you feel you are the cause of the problem. If you can't keep your personal life out of the work place, we will replace you.
 
To everyone who was involved with the issue last night, and you know who you are, I suggest you work it out pronto. I will not be naming names, but you will all be tagged in a conversation shortly after this post goes live. You're all capable of rational discussion. I suggest and expect that you fix the problems. I'd hate to have to let any of you go because you can't work as a team. There is to be a conversation held to give you guys one last chance to solve these problems, because after the conversation, if I still see the issues that are being complained about, I am going to lose it.
 
To address another problem that was presented last night, let's talk about Promo/Demos. I have no idea why this became an issue in the first place, but I'm just going to be very blunt to get my point across: If ANYBODY is threatening another user with a demotion in order to make them feel bad, that individual is going to face immediate removal of their staff position. This is absolutely unacceptable, ESPECIALLY since the only people who need be concerned with Promos and Demos are the active DMs and DLs, and our DMs and DLs will NOT be discussing the promos and demos with anybody until after the information has been made public. Obviously, we will still be taking the opinions of our staff into consideration, but the final decision lies with us. We will be reporting our Promos/Demos directly to Kbraszzz or Hiding, and Kbraszzz/Hiding will be the only person(s) who knows that information. Outside of those individuals, it is NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS. Mods have no say in Promos/Demos. Admins have no say in Promos/Demos. If you hear about someone getting a promo or a demo, whoever told it to you is a liar. So DO. NOT. USE. IT. AGAINST. ANYONE. It is grounds for an immediate demotion, as it is a SUPER shitty thing to do.
 
I hope this clarifies where we stand on the issues. At this point, I can't make you all get along, but I CAN dictate how much we are going to be tolerant of. I'm done. My staff is done. And we will not be putting up with it any longer. If you can't be adult enough to work out your issues, I can't bring myself to keep you a member of my staff.
 
Hardass mode has been engaged. I don't want to resort to this, but at the same time, I shouldn't have to.
 
EDIT: Just to clarify, I have NO PLANS on taking any sort of disciplinary action against ANYONE who was involved in the events last night. Nobody has any consequences they need to fear. Just know if it is STILL an issue after this post, THEN we will be having problems. I also don't want anyone thinking that we don't care what our staff has to say. Obviously, your input is an integral part of how we manage the system. We will continue to touch base with you all on various things. I don't want anyone to think we are being inclusive of you guys, as that's not what this thread is addressing.

I don't really see what's so member-demotion worthy about saying that you stroked a dog. If you think you can get removed from membership for saying something that seems disgusting then this clan would be a lot smaller. I mean for christs sake we had an ENTIRE fan fic thread full of disgusting crap and the most that happened was the thread getting closed. No one raised a finger about it because it was "funny" to you guys. It all depends on the perespective. After looking through your post the only evidence that really holds any weight to me would be the post on the steam exploit thread.
 
There's also a function called ignoring if you don't want to see his "absolutely disguting" posts and etc. It's not like he is specifically trying to talk about and show you furry crap.
Now you might say, "well we dont want all the kids seeing this gross crap". Then again, weren't you the one always preaching about how the internet is not a friendly place and if you cant handle insults, bad things on the internet etc to not get on it?
 
Also he has had that avatar for many months now, but im glad that you had the resolve to push through the sick turning in your stomach all this time to make this member protest.
 
 

For some reason you seem to think that because people don't like him, its a good reason to make him leave. Until I see evidence of this "General Instigation" and "General Abrasiveness" I won't really think much of your post.
BTW since when was "Anti Social activity" a good reason to get your membership removed? lol
 
 
 
I honestly think that this post is just Vector finally letting out his hatred towards Matsi and everybodies just like "yeah furries are kind of weird imo, +1".
I'm not saying that I like furry crap, but the stuff in this thread doesnt provide enough decent evidence to get him demoted.
Now im not a member, so this is just my opinion.

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

I don't really see what's so member-demotion worthy about saying that you stroked a dog. If you think you can get removed from membership for saying something that seems disgusting then this clan would be a lot smaller. I mean for christs sake we had an ENTIRE fan fic thread full of disgusting crap and the most that happened was the thread getting closed. No one raised a finger about it because it was "funny" to you guys. It all depends on the perespective. After looking through your post the only evidence that really holds any weight to me would be the post on the steam exploit thread.
 
There's also a function called ignoring if you don't want to see his "absolutely disguting" posts and etc. It's not like he is specifically trying to talk about and show you furry crap.
Now you might say, "well we dont want all the kids seeing this gross crap". Then again, weren't you the one always preaching about how the internet is not a friendly place and if you cant handle insults, bad things on the internet etc to not get on it?
 
Also he has had that avatar for many months now, but im glad that you had the resolve to push through the sick turning in your stomach all this time to make this member protest.
 
 

For some reason you seem to think that because people don't like him, its a good reason to make him leave. Until I see evidence of this "General Instigation" and "General Abrasiveness" I won't really think much of your post.
BTW since when was "Anti Social activity" a good reason to get your membership removed? lol
 
 
 
I honestly think that this post is just Vector finally letting out his hatred towards Matsi and everybodies just like "yeah furries are kind of weird imo, +1".
I'm not saying that I like furry crap, but the stuff in this thread doesnt provide enough decent evidence to get him demoted.
Now im not a member, so this is just my opinion.

You are correct, saying something disrespectful can get you kicked out, but what he said wasn't disrespectful, it was just gross. About the thread, some people might have thought it was disguting, but absolutely no one took any action against the members.
 
HERES THE KEY THING YOU KEEP MISSING. I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO GET DEMOTED, IM SAYING YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PROOF TO JUSTIFY THIS. You have to provide the proof that he has always made these sort of remarks, and that he hasnt stopped after warning. From my experience, I haven't really expereinced him expressing a lot of furry stuff even while I dont try to avoid him.

You are correct, saying something disrespectful can get you kicked out, but what he said wasn't disrespectful, it was just gross. About the thread, some people might have thought it was disguting, but absolutely no one took any action against the members.
 
HERES THE KEY THING YOU KEEP MISSING. I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO GET DEMOTED, IM SAYING YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PROOF TO JUSTIFY THIS. You have to provide the proof that he has always made these sort of remarks, and that he hasnt stopped after warning. From my experience, I haven't really expereinced him expressing a lot of furry stuff even while I dont try to avoid him.

I'm gonna get shot for saying this.
 
I got nothing personal against @Matsi the worst I seen before the whole dog jacking thing was him having a fight with @Hachi on our servers.
 
I do think he should keep this shit away from our servers but as far as I know he never talked about jacking off dogs on anything besides Teamspeak/Forums.
 
The whole Blowjob Booze thing is Disgusting yes but worse things have been said but others on the Forums and Teamspeak as well.
 
This is very similar to the many times the TF2 division attempted to get Vector Permed, With the lack proof but the majority still wanting him gone.
 
And look Vector is still here and the most he got was a 6 month ban.
 
If that does not sway you and you still believe he should be permed then we should run around perming more people then just Matsi for shit like this.
 
On the subject of it being a Federal Crime Matsi is in fact correct it's not a Federal Crime in the USA.
 
Yes it's something he should not talk about in front of others however he only brought up the dog when Rabid asked can you fuck wolves.
 
It's for these reasons I feel he should not be Permed and he should not have his membership revoked.
 
The most i would approve of is a small ban if everyone really REALLY can't handle him.
 
I'm ready to be hanged now.

If you guys don't want me talking about dogs, then don't fucking ask me about it.... that comment in TS3 was a direct response to being asked a question.... I can't even remember the last time I talked about anything related to bestiality without someone else bringing it up or asking me a question about it.
 
The Blow Job comment was talking about a fucking drink, read the rest of it: "inhaled booze" "good way to get drunk" and learn grammar, I said Blow Job, not blowjob Blow Job (cocktail) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
My avatar is my fursona with a spray can of whip cream LOL
 
@Snackbar you say you try not to provoke me but then you do things like randomly ban me from teamspeak and when I tell you to stop you called me a faggot.... that seem pretty provoking to me....

I don't really see what's so member-demotion worthy about saying that you stroked a dog. If you think you can get removed from membership for saying something that seems disgusting then this clan would be a lot smaller. I mean for christs sake we had an ENTIRE fan fic thread full of disgusting crap and the most that happened was the thread getting closed. No one raised a finger about it because it was "funny" to you guys. It all depends on the perespective. After looking through your post the only evidence that really holds any weight to me would be the post on the steam exploit thread.
 
There's also a function called ignoring if you don't want to see his "absolutely disguting" posts and etc. It's not like he is specifically trying to talk about and show you furry crap.
Now you might say, "well we dont want all the kids seeing this gross crap". Then again, weren't you the one always preaching about how the internet is not a friendly place and if you cant handle insults, bad things on the internet etc to not get on it?
 
Also he has had that avatar for many months now, but im glad that you had the resolve to push through the sick turning in your stomach all this time to make this member protest.
 
 

For some reason you seem to think that because people don't like him, its a good reason to make him leave. Until I see evidence of this "General Instigation" and "General Abrasiveness" I won't really think much of your post.
BTW since when was "Anti Social activity" a good reason to get your membership removed? lol
 
 
 
I honestly think that this post is just Vector finally letting out his hatred towards Matsi and everybodies just like "yeah furries are kind of weird imo, +1".
I'm not saying that I like furry crap, but the stuff in this thread doesnt provide enough decent evidence to get him demoted.
Now im not a member, so this is just my opinion.

You are correct, saying something disrespectful can get you kicked out, but what he said wasn't disrespectful, it was just gross. About the thread, some people might have thought it was disguting, but absolutely no one took any action against the members.
 
HERES THE KEY THING YOU KEEP MISSING. I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO GET DEMOTED, IM SAYING YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PROOF TO JUSTIFY THIS. You have to provide the proof that he has always made these sort of remarks, and that he hasnt stopped after warning. From my experience, I haven't really expereinced him expressing a lot of furry stuff even while I dont try to avoid him.

You are correct, saying something disrespectful can get you kicked out, but what he said wasn't disrespectful, it was just gross. About the thread, some people might have thought it was disguting, but absolutely no one took any action against the members.
 
HERES THE KEY THING YOU KEEP MISSING. I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO GET DEMOTED, IM SAYING YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PROOF TO JUSTIFY THIS. You have to provide the proof that he has always made these sort of remarks, and that he hasnt stopped after warning. From my experience, I haven't really expereinced him expressing a lot of furry stuff even while I dont try to avoid him.

i dont think his membership should be taken away because he's said sexual stuff not normally accepted, just ask him to stop.

I don't really see what's so member-demotion worthy about saying that you stroked a dog. If you think you can get removed from membership for saying something that seems disgusting then this clan would be a lot smaller. I mean for christs sake we had an ENTIRE fan fic thread full of disgusting crap and the most that happened was the thread getting closed. No one raised a finger about it because it was "funny" to you guys. It all depends on the perespective. After looking through your post the only evidence that really holds any weight to me would be the post on the steam exploit thread.
 
There's also a function called ignoring if you don't want to see his "absolutely disguting" posts and etc. It's not like he is specifically trying to talk about and show you furry crap.
Now you might say, "well we dont want all the kids seeing this gross crap". Then again, weren't you the one always preaching about how the internet is not a friendly place and if you cant handle insults, bad things on the internet etc to not get on it?
 
Also he has had that avatar for many months now, but im glad that you had the resolve to push through the sick turning in your stomach all this time to make this member protest.
 
 

For some reason you seem to think that because people don't like him, its a good reason to make him leave. Until I see evidence of this "General Instigation" and "General Abrasiveness" I won't really think much of your post.
BTW since when was "Anti Social activity" a good reason to get your membership removed? lol
 
 
 
I honestly think that this post is just Vector finally letting out his hatred towards Matsi and everybodies just like "yeah furries are kind of weird imo, +1".
I'm not saying that I like furry crap, but the stuff in this thread doesnt provide enough decent evidence to get him demoted.
Now im not a member, so this is just my opinion.