NitNat

Okay so I’m putting this blunty because I know damn well I’m not the only one who feels like it’s just a bunch of friends gathering together to protect anyone in that circle and not caring about anyone outside of their groups input. Like there’s even random people crawling out of whatever rock they came from, not being relevant in the problem at all, to help save anyone who’s under fire.

Okay so I’m putting this blunty because I know damn well I’m not the only one who feels like it’s just a bunch of friends gathering together to protect anyone in that circle and not caring about anyone outside of their groups input. Like there’s even random people crawling out of whatever rock they came from, not being relevant in the problem at all, to help save anyone who’s under fire.

Okay so I’m putting this blunty because I know damn well I’m not the only one who feels like it’s just a bunch of friends gathering together to protect anyone in that circle and not caring about anyone outside of their groups input. Like there’s even random people crawling out of whatever rock they came from, not being relevant in the problem at all, to help save anyone who’s under fire.

Okay so I’m putting this blunty because I know damn well I’m not the only one who feels like it’s just a bunch of friends gathering together to protect anyone in that circle and not caring about anyone outside of their groups input. Like there’s even random people crawling out of whatever rock they came from, not being relevant in the problem at all, to help save anyone who’s under fire.

Okay so I’m putting this blunty because I know damn well I’m not the only one who feels like it’s just a bunch of friends gathering together to protect anyone in that circle and not caring about anyone outside of their groups input. Like there’s even random people crawling out of whatever rock they came from, not being relevant in the problem at all, to help save anyone who’s under fire.

In all honesty and it’s already been mentioned by bone and most likely thought of my many members as well, the idea of just removing sprays in general is a pretty good idea in the end. Servers are still able to be highly successful even without the option. If you don’t think the cs:go example is enough to back that claim up, there are still Glubabble servers. (Mainly ff2 and slender) The whole banter of revising the same spray rules is always going to be pushed to the edge and loopholed by someone.

In all honesty and it’s already been mentioned by bone and most likely thought of my many members as well, the idea of just removing sprays in general is a pretty good idea in the end. Servers are still able to be highly successful even without the option. If you don’t think the cs:go example is enough to back that claim up, there are still Glubabble servers. (Mainly ff2 and slender) The whole banter of revising the same spray rules is always going to be pushed to the edge and loopholed by someone.

In all honesty and it’s already been mentioned by bone and most likely thought of my many members as well, the idea of just removing sprays in general is a pretty good idea in the end. Servers are still able to be highly successful even without the option. If you don’t think the cs:go example is enough to back that claim up, there are still Glubabble servers. (Mainly ff2 and slender) The whole banter of revising the same spray rules is always going to be pushed to the edge and loopholed by someone.

It's like you didn't read past the second sentence I wrote before you quoted me and used it in a response. 
 
Objectors and decals are already treated the same way as sprays, and we've had a problem before with Objectors and players (including staff members) using pornographic Objectors so... hey, you might be on to something there!
 
By this definition then cropped porn sprays shouldn't be allowed whatsoever, because you can definitely tell there's more going on off screen, even if there's no nudity shown.
 
 Which is what's happened every time we've "clarified" this rule. It's gonna keep happening. So be ready to come here and type all this again in 6 months when we have to clarify it again.
 
 But you know what's really unwelcoming and off putting? Joining a server and seeing spawn covered in cropped porn sprays while a staff member is telling a player that their spray isn't allowed, but this one over is because because it's juuuust zoomed in enough to not see anything.
 
This is the biggest problem though. The majority of players who have rule breaking or borderline rule breaking sprays are the staff members themselves, it starts with them. Staff members need to be the first to change their sprays and lead by example. Imagine a newcomer or regular seeing a staff member with a rule breaking spray, they're gonna think "Oh, this is ok, because they know the rules pretty well". Until that happens, rewording a rule isn't going to do anything as long as staff refuses to follow it themselves. 

I honestly have to wonder how many times the rules need to be clarified or revised before people can be held accountable for what they do.

In all honesty and it’s already been mentioned by bone and most likely thought of my many members as well, the idea of just removing sprays in general is a pretty good idea in the end. Servers are still able to be highly successful even without the option. If you don’t think the cs:go example is enough to back that claim up, there are still Glubabble servers. (Mainly ff2 and slender) The whole banter of revising the same spray rules is always going to be pushed to the edge and loopholed by someone.

In all honesty and it’s already been mentioned by bone and most likely thought of my many members as well, the idea of just removing sprays in general is a pretty good idea in the end. Servers are still able to be highly successful even without the option. If you don’t think the cs:go example is enough to back that claim up, there are still Glubabble servers. (Mainly ff2 and slender) The whole banter of revising the same spray rules is always going to be pushed to the edge and loopholed by someone.

I was gonna make this huge long post about sprays and bias and whatnot when an idea came to me...
Here's my suggestion, and I'm prepared to get negatively rated into oblivion for this, but why don't we just disable sprays server wide?
It's been proven, time and time again that players and staff feel completely differently about sprays and their subject matter. Even to a point where I have seen players (some of which are even staff now or were staff) argue with staff members that their spray is allowed since it follows the rules but the staff member personally doesn't believe so (even while another staff member allows it). This has even caused some players to purposefully alter their sprays so they're not "technically" against the rules, but still pushing the lines (again, this has been done by current and past staff members).
The CS:GO Division doesn't have this issue. You know why? Because CS:GO doesn't have sprays (at least not to the degree of TF2's system).
So either we come to a global agreement and clarify rules even more so, which has been tried many times and we still have this issue, or we just disable the spray ability and save TF2 staff another headache they don't need. 

Admins In-Game Name: [xG:A] Krampus
Admins STEAM-ID: STEAM_0:1:88632487
Your In-Game Name: YeEternalTuna
Your STEAM-ID: STEAM_0:1:56604228
What server did this happen in?: TF2 Surf
What exactly did the abuser do?: Showed bias towards sprays
Did it affect other players?: Yes
Explain the entire situation here:
So around 10 on June 8th, I was playing on surf like normal and there were some sprays that got my attention that were somehow allowed to be sprayed, even though it broke the  spray rule.
With this in mind I thought ''why not test something out'' and decided to find a picture of my own in order to test the bias of this whole spray thing. (with editing help from @NitNat ).

First picture is mine and the other is one that was allowed by plenty of staff. As you can see the areola is quite large and visable while my image has the barbie doll censoring. My image was allowed by Frostyboigrim but denied by Krampus and I had thought it was really odd that they allowed butts to be shown and stuff like the spider oc pic but not my image so this is where my second experiment comes in with the help of @LemonVolt which involved a image found and edited by him.

Again, going by the way Krampus worded his previous warning, butts were allowed so no problem right? Matt sprayed the shown picture and was immediately told to remove it. Krampus had stated that it wasn't allowed because ''its obvious that its a pornographic picture and you can tell whats under the sticker''. Matt had argued with that quoting krampus on how butts were allowed and was kicked for ''trolling''. He had explained it showed the entire body as well and too much of the butt. So my two brain cells sparked and I had remembered something from a few days ago that Precious slutboi had sprayed which means it HAD to be allowed right?

This image was obtained from my tf2 files (where you find all the sprayed images within your tf2 game) and I had Lemonvolt spray it down to get Krampus's thoughts on it (I'm pretty sure you already know the outcome of this) and something quite odd happened...
Now how is it that our spray (the image with the lemon censoring which I will refer as experiment #2) isn't allowed but the one of Kass is? It makes absolute no sense what so ever because its virtually the same exact thing but one is depicting a anthropomorphic bird man and the other is of a human female. It just screams hypocrisy and bias and as you can see when confronted he runs out of the little common sense he had left in him. Apparently ours is ''clearly taken from a pornographic image'' and just ''censored with a sticker'' even tho just by looking at the Kass picture you can TELL its cropped. The blind biased pass for the (kass) spray gets a pass when it’s clearly cropped nsfw. The (lemon censored) spray is set up exactly the same besides the fact that it’s a real person instead of a furry.
Also Aegean has given me permission to put it in TF2 Discussion due to there being an error in the report abuse thread application.

you guys wanna see what despair and no sleep looks like?

courtesy of @Blizzard

Unfortunately, we are here to say goodbye to one of our own, TrollFace aka Asa. Trollface was one of the original members of the community and one of the first higher ups alongside Silence. We found out of his death a few days ago from his girlfriend, and we'd like to formally give our condolences on the forums. XenoGamers would not be where it is today, if it wasn't for him. 
I wish his family and loved ones all the best, and remember to always show your appreciation to your friends and family cuz you never know when they might be gone.
 

Haven't posted in this thread for like a year, so here you go:

It's done

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I don't know how to word this any better, but I'm gonna take off once again. Sadly I can't give a better reason but I'm just disinterested and tired of most of the crap going around. I'm just going to deal with it now instead of later in the year. I've made my choice and I'm just stepping down to member for the final time. I had a lot of fun supporting xG though, thank you all for that.

It was 5:43 Am, I was sleeping so well until something started moving above my head, Sadly for me I have a really fragile dream So I woke up instantly and then I basically Jumped out from my bed O_o ... Scared and confused I turn on the lights,after that I saw it!! A baby crazy lizard in my bed :/ fortunately I didn't Smash him. Them I wanted to grab him but that tiny lizard was so fast after that the crazy lizard went under my bed! and making screeching noises like snake :/ and moving his head up and Down like saying (get retk human) So A bit frustrated for that lizard,I went under my bed and then I finally grab him Plop!
 
Silly lizard... Thanks for ruin my bed time : ( I don't like to wake up Early
 
Them I went out and I put the lizard in a safe place.
 

Damn @Bone coming in clutch with ideas and new material

Damn @Bone coming in clutch with ideas and new material