SnowyMinion

lol wut

lol wut

lol wut

He was on yesterday for 6 hours with Egossi and other members on TGH, are you telling me he went through the server only to insult people? Also, this whole thread is based on your conversation to brian asking him to name change, which he didn't, to which you asked Vexx for a month ban after. So what you're saying is also false since no one apparently had an issue with him that entire day, but according to you, all he does is come on just to insult people.
 
@Vexx

While mince is just grasping at things to make a flaming pile of shit, this is the 2nd time in very recent where TF2 staff has banned someone/wanted to ban someone for a long duration of time over something so small and so little that it boggles my mind.
 
Call me old but back in the day, this kind of name was common. It's literally a way of protesting that you don't like how staff are handling things. Does he ever specifically state "Kypari is a badmin because he sucks the poopy"? no, he just says "tired of the badmins". I literally don't even know where to start with this besides you all need to just chill out with your bans. There's no need to be a nazi over every single thing and hunt for reasons to give longer bans than remotely reasonable.

I did? How did I not investigate it?

Why didn't you investigate the bans? You seem to be acting very irrational right now.
 
This ban is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I have seen in years.

Let's get this straight...
 
The solution here for a ban appeal on someone with a very minimal ban history, and a rich history of being a great staff member is to week ban him for a name on a server.
Not only that, his name wasn't even offensive, it was just Admins are Badmins. Are staff that fragile that a name criticizing you is warrant of a week ban? Ridiculous.
 
The fact this needs a ban is childish, the fact @Vexx or @Kypari didn't investigate anything is ridiculous.

At the end of the day, he didn't really do anything serious enough to get banned. He didn't target anyone specific and it wasn't a personal attack against anyone (no idea about the context of the whole situation but still). Honestly the ban should just be removed and we move on from this since I don't like the idea of people banning others simply for poking fun at xG. It makes us look like a community that wants to censor people which we shouldn't ever become.

That's fine with me, I'm fine with a ban to a day as he never got a kick warning. A month is excessive. I will also add a few more things here before this thread is closed.
 

If you're going to bring up a persons ban history, then the content of the bans do matter.
 
The *procedure* does not matter when almost all of the bans are bogus (hell, there are plenty of cases where your *procedure* is not even applicable). Feel free to try and figure it which of the bans are legitimate. Based off of your post and others, no one has actually investigated. It is very easy to sweep things under the rug when you don't particularly like a person, unfortunately that won't work.

@Vexx from the tf2 admin handbook that you wanted me to edit.
 

I don't need to, Minecrack. It's procedure regardless of the rules they broken.
Also there's no need for comments like that.

@Kypari
 

 
So did you even look at the ban reasons? Spoiler you didn't, you are a moron.

+1, too long of a ban.
 
I agree with Aegean, so I don't think is much for me to say.

I'm gonna have to genuinely agree with this, like i stated in the private discord that some people reading this are on, i find it extremely unreasonable to not peruse warning a person when you know they may have not heard/seen it, it's essentially being banhappy and is poor staff behavior.
 
Once there was a random guy who got on jailbreak and was mad about how worse he thought the jailbreak community had generally gotten. So he got on blue and mass freekilled, I warned him and everything then he asked me if i was an admin which i was at the time, and he was clearly waiting to be banned, but instead i started talking to him to ask why he was mad and he explained and i explained to him where he was right and where he was wrong.
After the conversation ended he made a geniune apology and said i could ban him since he wasnt planning to join again.
 
And that i think is how staff should try to handle situations rather than going "LOL he fucked up this time /ban @person 0 "toxicity, disrespect" cause otherwise you're being more counter-productive to the server generally than you are being productive.
 
just for the simple fact that the communication in general with brian was poorly established, i will +1 this thread for either the duration of the ban being reduced to a reasonable amount, or it being removed entirely
 
 
TL;DR - The situation was poorly handled, the length of the ban is unreasonably long

How does being toxic without having been banned for it justify a month ban? Yes, he was banned for something else and maybe he was toxic, but jumping straight to a month ban seems way too much.

I was not kicked yesterday. I will state again that I was muted, and I left after questioning the decision.

He should have at least been kicked first.
If I recall correctly, his last ban was for abusing calladmin - the argument that he "hasn't changed after two years" doesn't make any sense since an "instigating" name and calladmin abuse isn't the same. I feel like a month is way too much, lol.

I warned him twice just to check if he was paying attention. He clearly wasn't so I just banned him.

 
If someone hasn't changed in the last few years then the punishment system clearly needs to continue. They haven't reformed as a person so myself and the TF2 higheurps believe that the system should continue, regardless of how long ago the bans were.

I do appreciate the fact that you have logs showing that you did in fact warn him to change his name, however the fact he didn't respond to you at all means he might not have seen it so try to keep that in mind in the future. Regardless, his name was to trigger the staff which is why I do believe he should have got punished in some sort if people did get offended which apparently they did.
 
The issue I have was he had a name that upset staff, so you decided a month ban was the right decision? He got a week ban 2 years ago about call admin, and the previous day ban before that was something he got pardoned for. If you're going to go off his history, please try to use some discretion and understand that although we have a system for how we ban, I feel like it should be common sense that someone who didn't get punished for years shouldn't automatically get a more severe punishment their next offense, regardless of when it occurred or the level of offense.
 
Context matters a lot for staff, and I would prefer you guys think about issues critically before blindly following a guide that is meant to give you a foundation when trying to uphold the rules instead of it being the golden guide that should be followed to a T.

@Kypari Can you please explain your side of the story, including why you asked for a month ban from Vexx aside from there being no warning, kick or shorter ban issued prior to this month ban.

@Vexx
 

So did you even look at the ban reasons? Spoiler you didnt, you are a moron.

@Kypari does sourcebans being disabled also prevent being able to be kicked? I'm asking that as a legitimate question.
 
Also, I would like to hear the feedback from @Bello, @Vexx, @Sesh and @mrnutty12. You guys believe this warrants a month ban despite his last ban being over 2 years ago over something unrelated? I personally find a 1 month ban over his name insanely excessive, especially after his previous ban being so long ago.
 
Tagging @virr as well since I appreciate his input.

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