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Alright then, how about this? DM/DL ____ says "I don't see you on servers very often", so the appropriate response is "Oh, well then screw it, I quit"?
How about instead you find that higher up in a game on our servers and join it and maybe play with them a bit? You know, show them you're alive? Do this a few times and "I don't see you" becomes "Hey, you're pretty active!"
 
Standing out doesn't mean wearing a lime green Scout set and hitting people with a pan, it means showing a lot of initiative and potential with being staff. When the time comes for promo/demo, staff would be able to say "Hey, you know Mod ____? They do a really good job, they're active, and they're super mature, we should promote them"
 

 
Ok, I feel I need to squash this attitude, because people keep thinking this is how it works. If one person -1'd her, that doesn't mean she was barred forever from being promoted. That person had a reason to -1 her. Even if all the others +1'd, if the one who -1'd gave a really valid reason why they shouldn't be promoted, then obviously that reason was good enough for the other higher ups to agree or even change their mind. As @Bello said, "majority rules" is fairly flawed. If we had 15 higher ups +1 a guy, but one person -1'd them because they constantly abused, then that -1'er had a good reason for doing so. Hell, the others may not have known that, and that one guys -1 could turn the 15 +1s into -1s.
 
However, one person -1'ing doesn't automatically mean a "no" either. I've seen instances where one higher up would -1, but all the others would +1. If they have a good reason to strongly suggest that player, they could still be promoted.
 
You getting a +1, a -1, and a neutral does not seem like a yes to me. That means only 1 of 3 dentists approve, and don't think you're ready. Like I said before, Probationary Mod is for making sure someone is ready for staff, not to go "Hey, let's throw powers at this guy and see what happens!". They still have to feel you'd be responsible with those powers, as limited as they may be.
 
Final Note: While I don't condone bias against a player, the higher up(s) who -1'd Spooks had a good reason for it. They genuinely thought they weren't ready for the position (again). And from the way she stepped down, they may have been right to do so the whole time. Spooky, huh?

This. This sentence right here. This sentence defines the reason as to why I haven't gotten staff yet. What I am about to say is most likely going to affect my chances now, but I have talked with higher ups. They told me the same thing. One person -1, another +1, another neutral. I guess that automatically means a no right? Well it shouldn't. Just because there is a single -1 shouldn't change the fact of getting declined or not. At least keep the application open for a little bit. (Also this might be a problem happening with me but +1 on staff application doesn't feel like it does anything. If it does, I have 0 chance of getting at least probationary mod because nobody sees my fucking application. A great example is my last application; the one before my most recent. Anyways. Back to your regularly scheduled immediate no staff for sepdick.)
 
My main point here is this: Higher ups need to talk more instead of having an instant decline because one of them doesn't like him/her/helicopter/catboy or doesn't know him/her/helicopter/catboy. Actually use the probationary moderator to see what they can do. If they don't do well, then they don't get full mod and get put back to member.
 
 
Anyways as for Ms. Spooks herself,
I am sorry that shit isn't going right for. It was to suck to be moderator for as long as you have and not get promoted. My biggest hope right now is that I wasn't part of the reason for you leaving. I try my best to be nice to everybody. I just feel like I didn't talk enough with you. I'm sorry for not doing so. Truly I am. I hope that everything works out for you in the future. Thank you for everything you have done for the community <3

This. This sentence right here. This sentence defines the reason as to why I haven't gotten staff yet. What I am about to say is most likely going to affect my chances now, but I have talked with higher ups. They told me the same thing. One person -1, another +1, another neutral. I guess that automatically means a no right? Well it shouldn't. Just because there is a single -1 shouldn't change the fact of getting declined or not. At least keep the application open for a little bit. (Also this might be a problem happening with me but +1 on staff application doesn't feel like it does anything. If it does, I have 0 chance of getting at least probationary mod because nobody sees my fucking application. A great example is my last application; the one before my most recent. Anyways. Back to your regularly scheduled immediate no staff for sepdick.)
 
My main point here is this: Higher ups need to talk more instead of having an instant decline because one of them doesn't like him/her/helicopter/catboy or doesn't know him/her/helicopter/catboy. Actually use the probationary moderator to see what they can do. If they don't do well, then they don't get full mod and get put back to member.
 
 
Anyways as for Ms. Spooks herself,
I am sorry that shit isn't going right for. It was to suck to be moderator for as long as you have and not get promoted. My biggest hope right now is that I wasn't part of the reason for you leaving. I try my best to be nice to everybody. I just feel like I didn't talk enough with you. I'm sorry for not doing so. Truly I am. I hope that everything works out for you in the future. Thank you for everything you have done for the community <3

From my understanding, people vouching on member or staff threads is meant to just inform the higher ups that there are people who are willing to vouch (or do the opposite) for you being possibly good enough for the position and give them a heads up on how you are seen in the community. But in the end the decision is almost entirely up to the the higher ups and the vouch is just suggestion which is why it may not seem like it does much.

I'm leaving xg for good. This is my only and last formal goodbye. In case you didn't know what happened I'll sum it up. 7 months ago now I took a break from being staff for personal reasons that I chose to keep to myself. Tf2 wasn't fun for me at the time. The drama in xg was unbearable at that point. There were several decisions being made that in my opinion weren't in the best interest of the clan. No I'm not going to go into detail about them because I can't be bothered.
I came back roughly a month later 2 weeks after pyro update dropped and it took a lot of time an mulling over to forgive tf2. At this point I was hearing a lot from community members that missed me being staff(not just other staff) and eventually I was convinced to come back to staff. Now since I stepped down quietly I was expecting the process to be easy. It was not. Instead of resuming my position as staff I'm put unfairly into a probationary role solely because of 1 higher up's bias against me. I was being punished for no good reason.
I was assured that it's no big deal I'll most likely get admin back as long as I keep staffing well. I got mod quickly and ended up staying mod for the last 5 months. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. In fact multiple times I even considered just giving up entirely, but I decided to stay for the people in the community who actually appreciate what I do. I stayed because the servers liked having me.
I don't know what the accused hold up is now and quiet frankly I'm over hearing lies and excuses like I have since I first got staff. From the beginning it was "who the fuck is ms. spooks?" "You need to be more established with the community" "you need to do more." "I never see her online so I can't make a good opinion on her" etc. Now keep in mind since I was considerably new staff at the time it wasn't a big deal. However time started passing by and I've watch many staff (you know who you are) go from member to admin before me, and now they're dms before I've even gotten admin back. I kept asking what am I doing wrong and keep getting the same run around. "Nothing, why?" just to be followed up later with some half attempted accuse "Oh you just need to do more." As time went on that clearly didn't end up being the full truth getting comments like "If you did more you'd already be admin" "You're not entitled to admin" "You're too passive" etc. It's not fair that I do the same amount of work as an admin, spend more time than a majority of the mods, and have been an established community member for 2 years without even a blemish.
Now some of you will take this as an outcry because I didn't get a rank that's just slightly better than mod, however my problems run deeper than that. It's not fair that I had to harder than other staff the entirety of my time of being staff. It's not fair that I keep getting pushed aside for other staff who are better at sucking off the higher ups than I am. I'm done playing the charade of "work a little harder" "Do a little more" Because even with the backing of multiple staff and plenty of recommends it clearly doesn't mean jack to you. It's incredibly disrespectful not only to me but other people who have gotten this treatment to string us along like a grunt. I'm not your lackey. I didn't become staff to do your job, and I most certainly don't see anywhere that says I'm supposed to suck you guys off in order to even get looked at. It's beyond hurtful to continue to be punished for things out of my control and more importantly I didn't do.
This is my only request of all of you staff. If you're not my friend and you're only friends with me soley because I'm staff. Get the F U C K off my friends list. Get out of my servers. Get out of my life. I have enough garbage I have to deal with in my life and I don't need more fake people around who don't care about my feelings. Stop pretending to care about what I have to say then just doing the same garbage I'm complaining about. I have rooted for and defended most if not a majority of you even if we haven't been the best of friends. I've stood up for you and I tried to be there when you're down. It's funny to me how people forget the people who rooted for them when they get power.
I have been mulling over for the last couple days what all I'm going to say when inevitably I say goodbye after being shafted again for no good reason. So I'm going to finish this with a list of what xG should improve on.
 
1. Staff are volunteers not lackeys
This "do more" mentality and backwards logic of having more mods than admins is part of a huge issue that doesn't respect your staff equally. despite all staff volunteering their time and efforts to improve the servers and the community. Treating admin as some mystical, magical, special role that's Juuust out of reach feels really really shitty for all the mods who have to work harder than other staff to prove themselves.
 
2. Stop using probationary for no reason.
This is a punishment role. It's used for staff who don't deserve a full demotion but still want to make things right as staff. Likewise It's used for people who have a dirty history. Stop slinging it around for every person who you don't feel like fits the personality mold even when they've done nothing to deserve it. Stop using it as a compromise because 1 higher up doesn't like the person. It should be used to establish wrong doings not "We just trust you a little less."
 
3. Majority matters.
It's been a huge problem for a while where higher ups have to make unanimous decisions. What this means for all the other staff is that if 1 higher up disagrees despite everyone else agreeing on said thing. It won't go through. The voice of one is too strong in this community specially for higher ups who don't go on servers enough to see what is going on or that just choose to disregard the intent of the community and more importantly the other staff. To fix this, it should be that majority rules. It should be that the community or staff vote count for 1 higher up in of themselves, because giving the people no say is what's going to kill the community.
 
4. Be transparent.
All decisions should be clear, concise, and have good *valid* reasons. It should be your goal to be as unbiased, well informed, and clear as possible. This under the table garbage that's been going on is just sleazy. You don't want your real opinions out there and you don't want to be held accountable which quite frankly is an embarrassment to your role. Be open and honest with your staff and not just string them along with excuses everyone knows are lies. If you make a decision you're accountable to that decision. Don't just keep letting everyone else have to figure it out.
 
5. Stop only caring about people in your respective group.
This is a big clan with large divisions and even in tf2 large sub divisions. Its been an issue for a while that surf staff only favor surf staff and tgh staff only like tgh staff. Unfortunately it has even gone as high as the higherups. Just because you haven't played on the servers (which isn't a good idea anyways) doesn't mean you should give only people in your respective server the special treatment. If you want to be taken seriously you have to take others seriously as well. It's ok to get more information to form your own opinion, but it's not ok to say it's not your problem because it's not your server.
 
6. Witnesses matter.
I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, but some of you take this as an opportunity to ignore issues all together because no tangible evidence. Staff witnesses have just as much say as a normal witness, none. It doesn't matter how many people say a person did an action because without proof you're never going to confront the issue. You make no effort to gather more information. It doesn't help when you expect people to be recording EVERYTHING that goes on, and to be honest if you are wanting people who record everything just to nail one person it's a pretty sucky, bandwagony mentality.
 
7. Stop treating other staff like dirt.
This is to all staff. Stop staffing over each other when someone else has it handled. I'm not talking about you both get on at the same time or accidentally warn at the same time. I'm talking that another staff handled the call, they're already trying to resolve the issue, and you jump in gung hoe and start shafting them. It's not acceptable. Trust the staff members to do their job. Unless you have to make a decision that involves perms only you have as staff it should not be happening that staff are stepping on each others toes. Likewise, Mods are volunteers. Means they donate their time and energy into the servers just like you. Stop talking down to staff who are a lower rank and stop kicking them around because you can. Stop rubbing your rank in their face. They get it. It's not acceptable to disregard another staff as a whole just because they're a lower rank.
 
 
8. Share the interest of the community not just yourself.
There has been many times where higher ups have made decisions under the table that are looked at negatively by the community or ultimately effected them negatively. Yes we get you like this one plugin idea and the other higher ups are all for it, but when you implement it out of nowhere and it effects the players to the point of complaining about it that's not in the interests of them. Part of making the community a better place is by making it unified, and when you keep making decisions that effect a mass in the community you create division.
 
With all of that in mind I want nothing to do with this community anymore. If you're really my friend you'll accept that. I'm not going to keep getting a run around, doing your jobs, and investing time and energy into a clan who doesn't care about me back. I'm not looking for a debate here. I'm not justifying any of my points. I'm not going to bother responding so don't bother baiting for a response. No I'm not changing my mind. I don't know if I'll ever come back to xg after all that it's put me through. I don't want your excuses so don't bother sending them to me. I may still come on the servers once in a while but you're not going to get much out of me here. Goodbye xg.

I remember when he first sprung up from the community people found him immature n such and there was a mini storm due to his behavior (which was a long time ago). From that point on I could honestly tell that he wanted to change for the better and he really has. I've also noticed that he's been super dedicated to xG and has been trying his best by having such a great amount of activity within our community. At this point I don't know how he isnt mod. I think he would go great as mod since he's been sticking around for the longest time. +1 Good luck my guy!

No one said you could leave the TF2 div

No one said you could leave the TF2 div

Division:

Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name:

Septik Identity:

STEAM_1:1:84208687 Position:

Moderator Time Active:

About a year and a half Age:

16 Experience:

No experience on the TF2 side of things. Donated:

Yes Information:

I believe this is my 4th attempt at getting staff now. I just hope that if you -1 me that I get some feedback. That's all I have to say.
 
Thank you.

Where is my 24/7 instant respawn dustbowl :(((((

When I first saw you I would have definitely -1ed you due to your toxic behavoir.
However, I believe you changed. I haven't seen you in game recently but before that you seemed to be quite nice and I also believe you know the rules. Septic additionally browses the forums too which is a pretty good thing imo.
I also had a huge misunderstanding with him once that could have easily turned into a war between the two of us (I was kind of at fault there) but he was super chill about it and not confrontational at all.
Can't plus one though since I don't play enough to judge you, but good luck!

Division:

Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name:

Septik Identity:

STEAM_1:1:84208687 Position:

Moderator Time Active:

About a year and a half Age:

16 Experience:

No experience on the TF2 side of things. Donated:

Yes Information:

I believe this is my 4th attempt at getting staff now. I just hope that if you -1 me that I get some feedback. That's all I have to say.
 
Thank you.

By a strange turn of events and a very close vote, I bring you the victor: Meme Map Rotation!

 
"What maps are available?" You might be asking, or not, either way here's the current maplist:
 
Watchtowerrrrrrrr
Floor is lava
Orange 50F
2fort twisted
Hammerfort
Turbine upsidedown
Conveyor
Trainsawlaser
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell
Hightorangemillbine
Steamed hams
Badsawter
Badwater tilt
Fastwater
Frontiiiiiieeeeeeer
Highertower
Highmillbine

And potentially more, if more is requested

ANOTHER MAP PROPOSAL!
 
Okay, so I ran across this map just now and think it meets the adequate meme criteria for xG. I feel like TGH would approve but that may not be the best fit unless we count the 27 Simpson's vidyagaems. Whaddya think?
 
Map link here: Steam Workshop :: Steamed Hams

helo tekage

-1
 
The extended surf part isn’t that hard to find in surf_japan.
 
If we are going to get rid of it, I would at least like us to try the updated version of japan first.

-1 not gonna lie this map is pretty fun if you surf as well as a 3 month year old can walk. Aka: helo tekage

Bye have a good time

+1 while I do enjoy this map, the linear section is just too easy and the end reward isnt great either. There is almost nothing to this map except the 2 secrets (3 if you are counting the actual surf part). There are always complaints when we go there and we almost always rtv off of it.

+1 yes please because stock maps are a fantastic alternative to 24/7 masscc

leaving i guess lol
later FAAAAM

This thread hasn't been touched in almost two years. Wut.
 
Okay, so recently I was comparing the number of maps on other servers to those on Pokemon Trade. Surf has almost 40. TGH has almost 50. Pokemon has . . . 6. I understand that Poketrade has a very narrow theme and not everyone is champing at the bit to make a Pokemon map, but we have three Goldenrod maps, two Ecruteak maps, and Sylux's custom map. So I'm proposing a few more. I don't know if they have any crippling map glitches as I don't have my own test server, but here's hoping we get a bit more variation. :D
 
Lavender Town (and Routes 8 and 10) Pokemon FRLG: Lavender Town | Team Fortress 2 Maps
Saffron City (CPs can always be disabled) Steam Workshop :: Saffron City (Pokemon)
Another Saffron City map (can't tell if it's the same one) pkmn saffroncity b3 (Team Fortress 2)
Victory Road (Payload optional) pl_victoryroad_b1a (Team Fortress 2)
 
Thoughts?
~Hero

fix nether or demoted >:(

I prefer Steamed Hams
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_mWyat9tw
 
cya dude

Bye!
I'll miss you all, everyone on my friend list! :waving:
Tomorrow is the last day you'll see me for 4.5 months.

 
Now for some F&Q:
 
Q: Why are you leaving?
A: I'm being blackmailed

Q: So this is a joke, then?
A: Nope, I'm actually leaving, I just don't wana tall ya'll why. I'll tell you when I come back. :p
 
Q: How gone is 'gone'
A: Well, I'll not be able to play any video games, but I might (in fact, most likely) be able to visit the forums on occasion, but I'll be dead on steam/discord/minecraft
 
Q: Will you post weekly updates like you did over the summer?
A: HELL NO Those were complete trash, no one read them, there were more a record-keeping thing for me than for anyone else, and it was arrogant and obnoxious of a high-class white boi like me to post them.
 
Q: Why a Q/A format?
A: Because I can pretend like I'm so popular people are asking me these questions and I'm not making them up as I go
 
Q: Do you like green eggs and ham?
A: yes :)
 
Q: [All other questions]
A: This video will tell you everything you need to know: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvWEhpzo5yM)