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In my opinion, no its not dying... it is unfortunately dead already. Everyday CSS is losing players due to its age, while on the flipside CSGO should be gaining people. I don't disagree that some TLC for CSS could revive it, but I only see it working for a very limited amount of time. Its a balance between the two. CSS: Fix it Add features and make it fun and exciting again > potentially increase population and activity of servers, but if it fails it will waste time and money OR CSGO: Start it and work on it Add features that differentiate, gain population, save money since no more CSS upkeep

And just to clarify to everyone, its not just in the hands of the 3 dm's to tell silence its time to shut down. It'll be based on everyone's opinion. And sorry for not tagging everyone that is important, i just wanted to tag some old and new people and know the word would get around to everyone.

Me and shadow have been there since practically the beginning, and I agree 100% that it really isnt worth it anymore to pay for servers that have at most 10 people on for an hour. I have no problem dedicated my time towards making things better, but I think the outlook is grim; plus I cant do much, it rests on bleed and nom for dev purposes.

We already discussed something like lower the amount of servers we have for CSS, but silence said that we pay for them as one thing. So even if we dropped down to one server, were still paying the same price, but just wasting resources then. Doesn't make a lot of sense then to get rid of some if we pay the same. Yes, theoretically we could transfer hosts, but thats a lot of hassle for a dying division. Yes, a lot of people are asking for hub. But honestly, how many of those are actually going to be active? Very few im sure. Would it be awesome to have something like an achievement system that gave rewards? Absolutely. But does it not make more sense to have this on CS:GO where we can get a lot on new players and create a strong division that would last for several years? Other divisions are less populated, but they honestly need some attention from devs and members to make them popular, especially cs go.

At certain points in time you realize that things you loved greatly cannot last forever. People move on, you get bored, things get stale. No matter how much you wish that things would return to the "way they used to be" you have to realize that it will never. CS:S is exactly this, something that was once a great time, with great people, and a game you could play for 12 hours straight without being bored. Unfortunately it just doesn't have to appeal, to anyone that plays anymore. We are lucky to have an hour a day with anyone on it. Minigames fairs slightly better, but still has dismal population numbers. And when either of these servers are populated, most of the time it is members; the randoms are few and far between. At the current moment, CS:S is seriously struggling. Population is low, its stale, people complain about the state of it. So what do we do about it. There are really two options, and before carrying on I ask you to take a minute and seriously think it through. Don't look into the past and think about how much fun JB was in 2011-2012; you realistically cannot expect it to be the same ever again. Option 1: The tough choice Nobody wants to say it, but I have no problem being the first. I think a serious consideration about taking CS:S down for good is in order here. As it stands right now, we are putting a lot of money into server upkeep but seeing very little benefit. We haven't changed much on the servers in what seems to be years, and certainty nothing drastic has changed to make it fun or worth it. So let's say we do decide it's time to let go of CS:S, what can we do with the money that is saved? Well, it certainly will make xG that much easier to keep running; there would be less reliance on Silence and a few random people to keep the servers paid for. In addition this money could theoretically be invested into one of the other divisions, whether it be CS:GO, GMOD, or TF2. My hopes is that something would be worked out with CS:GO div @Bleed to migrate current mods+ and to work on creating a great JB and minigames experience there. I tend to think of this option as the better for all option, versus the better for some. The benefits of this choice are: 1) Save money, which xG has needed to do for quite some time. 2) More focus can be had on CS:GO, a division that I see a lot of potential in. 3) With focus on CS:GO, there can be a new experience that can create new memories 4) Letting CS:S go before it becomes an even bigger let down Option 2: The risky choice And then there's the second option which involves a makeover of CS:S JB. The three division managers (Cristo, Dr. Lee, and I) could attempt to essentially do jailbreak all over. Rewrite the rules (less strict), deleted all maps and add just a handful to get started, get hub into jailbreak, and even potentially remove bans to help open the server back up to a lot more people. What we could do is just shut jb down for a week or two to get a lot of this done and create a stringent schedule that would be posted on the forums to get the list of items added and jb running. This would take work by a lot of people though, and may take a while to get going. We would need @Nomulous and @Bleed to get hub running. My concern with this is 1) Not getting hub done, as it was supposed to be done a year ago and 2) A lot of work being put into this and only seeing a benefit for a few days once the server is back. In my opinion, hub isn't the CS:S savior. It's not new, its really not different from other servers, and I can only see it bringing a few days of excitement back. So those are just the two choices that I have devised, but there may be more out there. I already briefly discussed some of this with the division managers, but really it will be up to all to decide what happens. And like I said, it is though to say that CS:S should be put away, but something you just have to realize when things may be done. @Rhododendron @Forest @Bonk @DrLee @Cristo @Gawd @diabeetus @ThePenguin @snakeboyeric @Hexx @Haxx @Legend

Wasn't entirely sure how im supposed to screenshot my desk top..... so i took a picture and then screenshotted that picture.

did you play on a different steam account...? i cant find anything with your steam id..

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Yes, has admitted to avoiding a ban and lying. And correct me if im wrong, but evading a ban is a perm. Less spaghetti please and more chicken permesan.

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I highly recommend a permanent server ban on all associated accounts (as well as main) for a few reasons. 1) Evading a ban 2) Lying 3) Using loopholes +1 for permanent ban on all current and future accounts.

Its pretty obvious that its him. I say ban his accounts that you believe are his alternates. If it is in mistake someone can post a ban protest on the forums to get unbanned.

Correct.

Wow. #cssisback

DLs need to be working with @Bleed and @Nomulous since they are developers. I'm all for setting strict schedules but feel that these Two are critical to it as well. The problem is that there are no repercussions or benefits to getting a server up. Just think of how many times we've heard about hub coming to CSS (BTW we were told a month, last time I checked we don't have it...). Its the same story for servers.

Best bet is uninstall and reinstall it, the if it doesn't work its a little easier to narrow down the problem.

-1 has mic

I honestly dont see the threat, if thats what was said. Also in favor of lifting the ban. @Cristo

Glad to see your back

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Jesus I feel old. Mario kart 64.. 5ish years old

Aright ladies and gentleman. This is the last warning for everyone in this thread regarding this issue. Just leave Chrono alone ffs. Yall have had enough warnings as it is, if it continues I will see that you all are banned for much longer. -Closed

Its being taken care of through conversation. Bonk, expect to see a conversation to get your side of the story in the next 24 hrs. Closing because of imminent popcorn worthy fighting.