Forest

I'm so tough I put up with xG on a daily basis and am still a member. :^)
 
@Forest
 
jk already have game. but still better than forest

I'm so tough that I still put up with xG on a daily basis.

I approve of this message.

Double posting is against the rules and forest is provoking rule breaking can someone ban him? @DrLee @Bleed @Chrono

I dont like @Forest because hes to real

Anyone who can post 3 posts in rapid succession (one after the other, uninterrupted) gets a copy. Nice way of causing a complete cluster cuss on forums :^)

That's a bit of a overreach Vector. If they want the plugin to allow admins to act by voting, they will ask for it.
 
I have no comment for anything in this thread as it doesn't concern myself. I will however constructively say, that if a vote is passed, it leaves no merit for any type of protest. Also, it works more effectively to solve instead of jail the issue, for both the moderator and targeted player.
 
For many administrators (myself included), the first thing which comes to mind is jailing instead of solving. An hour vote silence can usually accomplish the same effect as a week server ban.
 
~Based on the post from @diabeetus ~

Alright so, instead of going at each other's throats, lets just post the evidence/proof that backs up each other's claims and leave it at that. Otherwise this will just be an all-out argument that Members will have to wade through to find relevant content to provide their opinion. Simmer down :coffee:

Alright so, instead of going at each other's throats, lets just post the evidence/proof that backs up each other's claims and leave it at that. Otherwise this will just be an all-out argument that Members will have to wade through to find relevant content to provide their opinion. Simmer down :coffee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8p9o28yqws
Wrong one

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Symphony of the Goddesses. #LegendOfZelda #Cultured

Dude, I had the worst nightmare last night. I dreamed that McD's took a poll of all the menu items they've created over the years, and the Top 15 would become the new menu. Super Size Fries and Angus burgers made it. Chicken McNiggets didn't. :(
 
It really depends on the McDonalds, though. Generally, either the fries are good and the nuggets are greasy and nasty, or the fries suck and the nuggets are crispy and delicious. Occasionally you get that one McD's that rocks both ways, but those are few and far between. Call me a McD's connoisseur, I suppose. ;)
 
I know this isn't a rage post (read: derails the thread) but I thought I'd just throw that out there. Oh, and props to @Forest for starting this thread. We've needed something like this for a long time. Glad everyone was able to vent, just stop venting at each other. This is an open forum to hopefully work out your differences and make positive growth in the community, not cause more problems.

All y'all who don't have the mental capacity to give constructive criticism in this thread, gtfo. [uSERGROUP=23]@Community Leader[/uSERGROUP] requesting that all content that is not helpful (by way of feedback and/or constructive criticism) be removed. This includes any past content as well as any content posted in the future.
 
Honestly, if you can't wrap your head around the following concepts, then you have no business in this thread and should do everyone the favour of not even posting (this applies to everyone in general). With that said, because of the nature of this thread, I would also like that any content within this thread not be used maliciously against anyone. This means for Ban Requests, Member Protests, etc. Reason being that most of the content in this thread is based on opinion and criticism, and therefore makes it an inadequate source of incriminating evidence, and should thereby not be used against anyone.
 

Before I go on with this thread, let me assure you that the title has no reference to the "toxicity reform" that was posted yesterday (it is in relation to it, but not directly affiliated with it). I would also like to say ahead of time that this will be yet another rant that will most likely run quite a lengthy page. In fact, just looking back, it is one hell of a read.
 
WARNING: This is an extremely long passage that may not interest many. It is in regards to "toxicity" or other forms of "harassment". I ask that if you will not read the whole passage, skip to the bottom bolded text.
 
So. I couldn't help but notice this on-going "problem" of toxicity within xG. Seems to me that people are getting the idea that it's something that can simply be monitored and thereby eliminated easily. I'd just like to say that to accomplish a feat like that is ludicrous in its own right. To say "we're going to put a stop to toxicity" would be like saying "we're going to put a stop to [for example] Christianity." What I mean is that toxic or salty behaviour isn't something that can be suppressed over night, in a week, hell, in a year. It's like trying to suppress or eliminate an idea, or something else that is intangible. It just can't be done without re-writing everything and starting from the beginning.
 
The fact of the matter is that once the toxicity has spread, it has been spread. There is no stopping it, xG is already permeating with it. Now I can see how this in itself looks terrible, and I can see why anyone in their right mind would want to stop it, but to throw down a law that tries to "eliminate" it is physically impossible.
 
What constitutes toxicity? Is it when I say "fuck you, no one loves you", or is it the simple matter of commenting "scrub" on someone's post? The shit is immeasurable. At this point in time, the line between disliking someone to the point of trying to get them banned and actually banning those who rightfully deserve it has been spread so thin that there is no clear distinction anymore, it's all grey. I can get why there is this sudden desire to want to weed out the "bad eggs" in xG, but I honestly don't think this is the proper way to do it. Laying down sanctions will only result in a stronger segregation among Members and will ultimately deliver even more reports of "toxicity", and I'm talking about any sort of "harassment" or "instigations".
 
For Christ's sake, this is the internet. We're a gaming community that has over 10,000 Members with someone new making a new account almost every day. The internet isn't a pretty place, we're all maskless figures that can say or project whatever we want without fear of prosecution or judgement. The fact is, it is a shitty, toxic, salty, hateful online world. We all [should] know the risks of getting involved in an online community, we all [should] know there will be plenty of sarcasm, trolls, people whose sole purpose is to see the world burn. Now, I'm not saying that everyone should just take a chill pill and ignore everything, that would just be irresponsible. All I'm saying is this:
 
Moderation.
 
Whether that be in monitoring behaviour to prevent shit storms, or whether it be tolerating a certain amount of bullshit. By the end of the day, we will have all been subjected to (or have witnessed) some form of "online hate", and I'll bet that 90% of that hate can't even be recalled. You know why? Because chances are, you weren't bothered enough for it to have any sort of ill-effect on you. If that's the case, why are the forums any different? Someone rated your post "Boring"? Who the hell cares, it's their opinion. Someone commented on your post saying that you're stupid for having that opinion? Tough shit, because chances are that person has expressed an opinion that someone else had thought the same thing.
 
Opinions, anything and everything said by someone is merely an opinion. It isn't a state of fact. The choice is yours to react to what someone says about you or what they say about your opinion. This is one of the many commonly misunderstood things that goes on in the online world. An opinion is not toxicity. Nor is it grounds for a punishment. If you see acts of verbal abuse between two people, would you label them as being "toxic" to each other? The answer is no. They're having conflicting interests and opinions. They are arguing. The appropriate course of action will be to address what the problem is and see if a solution can be worked out that will satisfy both ends. This is important.
 
However, your over-the-top harassment is on a whole 'nother level. This is the kind of stuff that falls under the category of "toxicity". When one Member (or even a group) are maliciously and intentionally harassing several other people, then it becomes a problem. In this situation, it isn't a case of arguing, it's a case of "our group's beliefs are better than yours, and therefore you're wrong and are scum of the earth". This is where things get skewed around here. Things start to de-rail and the wrong values are then enforced. It becomes difficult to determine what side is right from wrong. When it gets to this point, it is almost too late to address the problem because it has so deeply rooted itself within the minds of few too many Members.
 
Almost every problem that ever surfaces will have arisen from a conflict between two people. Remember when I mentioned the whole "conflicting interests and opinions"? This is what it stems from. If left untreated, it will grow like a cancer. Soon friends of Person A will back Person A's beliefs, then friends of Person B will back Person B's beliefs, or worse when a group will back one and no one is there to back the other.
 
I'm going to wrap this up, because this is one long-arse looking post. All I'm getting at is that things aren't so black/white in terms of "toxicity". You can't expect to just throw down punishments for it and be done with it, that just simply won't work out.
 
To finish up, I'm going to open the floor to any open criticisms at all within this thread. If there is any sort of problem/beef/hate that you would like to vent at all, let it out, and I guarantee and promise that I will not react hostile, I will respect your opinion, and maybe even consider changes within myself in reflection of it. I welcome any and all things @Tsuchikure ;)
 
I would also like to make this thread one that anyone may feel free to express any opinion or criticism of anyone else who posts. Again, anyone who posts in this thread opens the door to possible criticisms (from others) and should expect it.With that said, do not post with the intention of verbally abusing or harassing someone, constructive criticism is the best kind of criticism.

- Dat guy, Forest

I don't know what happened, but every single person in this clan has lost it.

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-closed i guess
 
CLs can do their own thing here but it doesn't need to be open anymore

Fixed.
 
The entire addon is a mess, I need to recode it this summer. Would only take a day :P

Is this legit. If so, that has got to be one of the best reasons I've seen for someone getting grounded.

While I do understand why he was banned, I don't find that a [permanent] ban on the spot was necessarily justified without prior notice. Vector's behaviour and attitude is certainly volatile and unacceptable, and I can see why so many are against his unban, but to jump the gun to a permanent ban seems excessive.
 
With that said, I propose a compromise that I feel is fair to both parties; those for the unban and those against. I suggest that Vector be unbanned only from Forums for the time being while remaining permanently banned from Servers.
 
During this period, Vector will have the opportunity to show the community that he can produce a community-friendly attitude that doesn't involve overly-hostile or discriminating remarks. With that said, Higher-Ups will need to monitor his behaviour and attitude. This is a crucial step. This will ensure that if he is not able to keep a calm air around him on Forums after being given a chance, then the only choice will be to permanently ban him. After a noticeable improvement in behaviour, an appeal for an unban from Servers can be made where the community will determine whether he is ready to represent XenoGamers on it's Servers.
 
This will obviously require the co-operation of the community as well, including those who have had.. Turbulent times with Vector. Simply put, do not [intentionally] harass, instigate, or provoke him into slipping up. It isn't easy to make a change in attitude, so don't [try to] give the guy a hard time. At the very least, try to put aside your differences and give the guy a chance.
 
To clarify, this is all just an opinion. Take it with a grain of salt :coffee:

Allow me to make a public apology. My post was not very well worded, as I should have stated that we were discussing the possibility of Vector being unbanned. The way I wrote it, it made it seem as if we had decided that Vector was indeed returning. That was in bad wording on my part. Sorry to have put that connotation on you.
 
I also want to apologize for only receiving half of the truth. I WAS under the assumption that a few of the CLs (None in particular really, just a few of you) were in support of unbanning Vector. It was only until later when I re-read through the entire conversation that I realized that nowhere was it proposed to unban him completely. I allowed myself to jump to that conclusion due to the hot passions that were heavy last night in the Teamspeak channel. So, to you and the other @Community Leaders, I do apologize for having that be conveyed.
 
You guys rock at what you do. I know our voices are not unheard. I know you all have the best intentions in mind when making these huge decisions. I don't want to step on toes or make it perceived that I believe you guys are doing anything ill for the group. I believe the exact opposite.
 
The threats of people leaving the clan due to Vector's unbanning, I believe, were also probably in part to the misconception that we were deliberating completely unbanning Vector and having him return immediately. You can probably understand how that might make a few people upset. But, I think that better understanding on our parts would have helped avoid that miscommunication.
 
So, to you all, I apologize. I will be diligent and more attentive in these future discussions, and work towards conveying my messages in a more clear manner.

I'm still confused on why we banned him in the first place if we're going to undo it. I suppose in @Forest we trust :^)
 
And regarding the mass of people leaving, lets face it.
We're pussies. :^)

For the love of god, change the functionality of the comment(s) box @Rhododendron . It clouds over text like you wouldn't believe, and makes it that much harder to read the content of any post. Isn't there a way in which you can minimize it so that it isn't displayed, much like how it used to be at one point? Mind you, if there already is a way and I'm an idiot, disregard this thread and tell me how.
 
Example:
 
You'll notice that it's near impossible to read the underlying text behind the comment(s) box, even though it is transparent.

Not to make this about me, but I would also like to apologize for those of you who had taken offence to the Criticism thread I had made. The intention was to have those of you who had problems with others to vent it out in a healthy way; through constructive criticism. Unfortunately, there were those whom had taken the content literally and to heart (as an example, this whole ordeal) which provoked an all-out war. It also doesn't help that sarcasm doesn't translate well through text, so it is near impossible to determine when someone is joking if you don't know them well enough, such is the case with Rabid.
 
With that said, I'm glad to see that problems were settled in a civilized manner. There's nothing better than seeing two opposing sides making up and settling their differences. Now, if only this sort of thing could happen far more often rather than having tempers flare everywhere in xG.