Kypari

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I think this is a good point, but 10 mans are a drop in the ocean that is what is going on in xG discord. I understand that im to blame for this as im the one mostly in charge of the discord server and i've been really lenient on punishments, but holy fuck people really need to learn some basic manners. We're just shy of 800 people in discord (790ish last time i checked) and people are going around expressing their not so positive opinions about people that they "think" arent involved in the community any longer. This is not okay. I can understand if drama is fun and exciting, but if you spend your majority of your time talking shit about new, old or current community members in the public, official xG discord, and you think thats an okay thing to do you really need to take a good look at yourself and think about what you are saying to other people. This extends to a LOT of people in the xG discord as a whole i think, and im hopeful that we can just be a tiny tiny considerate and nice to others in the future.

What?

What?

Just going to make a reply to this, as Discord is not the ideal platform for something like this. @Dannypicacho
No, I don't think everything is harassment; However, using someone's name as an insult? That's harassment. Shit talking someone to the point where they leave the community? That's harassment.  Call me crazy, but are you not one of the people that pushed Icy to the point where he left the community? Sure, he may have fucked up as a DM, but that's kind of what's to be expected from someone who's new to a position of power. He might be toxic in ten manners, but that can be dealt with. My point is that there are other ways to solve these problems than going around beating people with the ugly stick. This sort of behavior makes everyone else look like an asshole. I mean, I don't have much room to talk because I know I can be toxic as fuck, but it's kind of embarrassing seeing staff members doing more hurting than helping in these situations. The entire point of me writing this thread was to make sure people at least made an attempt to help out.
Not going to call out any names, but a few specific staff members seriously need to get a fucking grip and play their role in the community. If you think for even a second that this applies to you, it most likely does.

Good question- due to xG’s nonexistent GMod division and the understandable inability on the higherups side to spontaneously generate servers out of nowhere, I’ll be finding random empty community servers fit for the CN a week or so beforehand. 

I actually really want to try a 10man one time for real, everyone seems a lot more chill in cs

Holy fucking shit we need to make people read this thread because apparently some people didn’t get the memo. Stop bullying people out of the community ffs guys.

I doubt my opinion is going to matter much but as far as the community within xG not a whole lot has actually changed besides names and the overall popularity of servers. At least not to me. I don't think it's a very controversial statement to say that xG has always been kind of an "insiders" club so to speak. If you're close to the people high up in the staff or just among members chances are you're likely to get away with a lot that others won't. Whether it's casually breaking rules every so often to make a joke or blatantly abusing your status on Jubens (Which is awesome btw) or being a completely unreasonable fucking dick, it's happened a lot and probably will continue to happen. It's not really new, it's kind of become part of the culture. +1 for slaps back in minigames is a nice small example but that's just a very small example of the culture that's been created. I'm part of the issue because I kind of fucking love that kind of shit when it's funny, but when it's not it just makes us look bad. To newcomers and old members alike. If you do something wrong put away your pride and apologize when someone calls you out, don't try and yell louder to prove that you are right because that's still *wrong.* We all joined this community, dictated by specific rules because 1. We agree with those rules, and 2. We enjoy this community. Yes sometimes breaking the rules is fun, yes sometimes people just get under each other's skin that's bound to happen but it's still people we're dealing with and not Jubens.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this community misses an integral part of the issue when it comes to having fun and that's not everyone has fun the same way. I enjoy roasting the fuck out of people when I play and I expect to get roasted in return, not everyone is like that though and that's fine. But also there's a difference from roasting the fuck out of someone and literally just verbally abusing them or otherwise making their time unenjoyable, it's something that shouldn't really need to be said but if you don't know someone in real life like at all, and you don't know anything about them. You don't get to just go in on them over some video games or forum posts. That's some fucking little kid fanfiction forums shit, that isn't how it's supposed to be for us, any of us. If you don't know how to treat others or apologize or at the very base standard *listen* to someone else, you don't belong on the internet much less in this community. If you're a no name literal first day joiner 12 y/o kid, or a Co-Leader everyone is worth hearing out at least once. Be fair, be patient, be friendly. If you're not willing to do those things, why be in the community?
That being said, everyone is responsible for their own actions, and while I agree it's never okay to harass or abuse people. I also don't think that makes you responsible for real life issues except in very specific circumstances. As capable as everyone is to not be a dick, everyone is just as capable to walk away from a dick. But I also want people to stop leaving the community because I have yet to play jb in the last three years with more than 20 people in the server so...
So yeah +1, be a basic human you nerds. (Oh and Someone give me mod back /s) Also ily Jubens

I actually really want to try a 10man one time for real, everyone seems a lot more chill in cs

I would like to say a few things here, a couple of which may have already been said.
                 1.  There is no such thing as a 7 hour a week requirement, it is 14 hours in two weeks(In response to @mrnutty12).  This means if someone can't be on for a week or so, they have the opportunity to do all 14 hours in one week, or it could be 10 hours in one week and 4 in the others (which I don't encourage anyways..) and even at that, if they are unable to play I'm sure @Tekk @Kypari and @SegFault wouldn't have an issue giving them a pass if they explained their situation to them.
                  2. We have the hour requirement because even though being a staff member is a volunteer job, it is still a JOB.  Like all jobs, it requires commitment, if you aren't committed to what you do as a staff member then chances are you won't be performing like one, quality over quantity.
 
At the end of the day, like @TBOHB said, people step down for their own reasons.  I don't recall seeing someone step down because the hour requirement was too harsh, and there is only a handful of people that have been demoted for inactivity.  If they don't find the game fun anymore, or they just don't want to commit to being a staff anymore, then that is their choice.  The same could be said about everyone that decides to stick around as staff, every two weeks they decide whether they want to stick around and commit their time to the servers or not.  They probably enjoy the game, or maybe they just stick around because of how much they care about the future of the clan and want to see it succeed, but regardless of what the reasoning may be,  they still have to follow the requirements laid out for all staff members.  Not only would having a basically non existent hour requirement hurt the image of the staff team, it would also more than likely be seen as unfair.

I actually really want to try a 10man one time for real, everyone seems a lot more chill in cs

I actually really want to try a 10man one time for real, everyone seems a lot more chill in cs

You got permed for doxxing people's phone numbers what the fuck do you mean LMAO
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I was staff for a month or so and had no problem finding time in my day to join the server and just chill for a hour or two. while I was dislocated from home because of a house fire and staying with family. If I can do that, anyone certainly can, I also take care of my grandmother who had cancer and has to use a cpap machine to breath at night, and just alot more other life stuff, If you can't put in the time and effort you're just lazy, 14 hours in 2 weeks is baby stuff, I used to put 200 hours biweekly into source when i was like 14, people have lives too, and we have to acknowledge all that Kypari, Nutty and Caleb have done and how Long they have been here and how much of their time and lives they have sacrificed to make the tf2 div what it is now, can you blame them? sometimes people need a break from it after doing it for so long.
the more I read this thread, the more it seems like a Joke.
Maybe we could bring paid Moderators back.

Hey friends, I've been reading the posts that you all have been writing recently, whether it was people stepping down, planning events, making statements on xG in its current form etc. so I wanted to just give a few thoughts.
Staff Stepping Down
   There are never enough to say about staff who took the time to volunteer so many hours to help out xG. It is a thankless job that helps keep xG as populated as it is, due to the efforts from all our staff, whether it is new mods, all the way to the community managers. People get stressed doing this, and stepping down makes total sense as people have their own lives to worry about. School, work, mental health, and anything in between is more important than xG, so if people need to step down for those reasons, we encourage it and we will always welcome back those people with open arms if they decide they can and want to help out again.
Toxicity and Harassment
   As xG is a gaming community and the fact that we are not a private community, many different types of personalities with varying age ranges are all going to come and go. Disputes, problems, cliques, they are all bound to happen. It is also not only on staff but also members to hold each other accountable for how others are getting treated. Remember, we are all people in front of that screen at the end of the day, so please know that your words have weight behind them. If there are any issues that you don't feel comfortable discussing on the forums or with other members, you can always message me on discord privately and I'll always respond within 24 hours. Sometimes problems are just misunderstandings, but regardless I'm happy to take time out to resolve whatever problem you might have. People who intentionally try to get a rise out of others get little sympathy from me, but at the same time if you truly wish to improve or need a wake up call, I'm always here for that too.
Planning Events
   You do NOT need to be a higher-up or even staff to organize an event. I just want to say thank you to everyone who tries to figure out fun things we can do as a community by posting threads and being active on discord. Aside from CS:GO 10 mans, it's been a lot of fun playing golf-it, skribble.io, and other games with the rest of ya and I can see that a lot of you have been enjoying it too. Respect to everyone honoring the golf-it shoe pics btw on discord. If you need any help organizing an event, feel free to reach out to me or any of the other higher-ups! Looking forward to all the new things we organize as a community.

Moving Forward
   I'll be posting a thread soon about recapping what's been going on recently, and thoughts we have for 2019 in terms of divisions. It will also include getting your thoughts on what we should do, so we learn from the people who make our community so great, what they think we should implement.

Thanks for reading everyone!
Happy gaming,
~Aegean

X is dead
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minecraft division is dead
minecraft division
arthman minecraft division
arthman
gay arthman is mod on jb cus lithium felt bad for him
lithium felt bad
but lithium doesn’t have emotion?!?
guys I think I’m on to something 

Unban my boy he was cool he said the n word like how cool is that 

I think you misunderstand my motive here. I'm not in any way, shape or form condoning previous actions made by either Goldfish or Nep. I can understand where you're coming from, as I had to dig myself out of the hole I was digging for myself since my first demotion up until my apology thread. However, I am most definitely not condoning the actions that the members of our community are taking against these two (i.e. using their name as an insult, fat manning them out of ten mans, etc.). As members of the community, we should be the better person and at least attempt to reform them, not shut them out or harass them. Leave the past in the past, I know for a fact the people we as a community target can be good kids if you don't push them over the edge.
This brings me back to the point that just because this is the internet does not mean you can say whatever you damn well please. Not to mention the fact that Goldfish himself has said that the constant harassment he's subjected to on the daily is the main reason that he acts the way he does. The video provided in the OP is a prime example of this ideology, the peers (the community) are at just as much fault as the accused (harassed person pushed over the edge).

This. It bothers me so much when people say shit like "it's just a game" or "it's just the internet". People still have fucking feelings, we're all real people behind real screens.

umm it was 14 BI-weekly...
It has already been 7 a week for years now.
Also people don't usually respond to calladmins save the couple saints who do.
It was 20 hours biweekly before the reduction friend.

true gamer spends countless hours doing volunteer work making a minecraft server for people to enjoy
people play on the server for two months and then it dies
server is reset
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Something needs to be said about this.  Everyone in the TF2 division is quitting all at once and they all have the reason for it:
The servers have gotten stale and 14 hours a week (2 hours a day) is too much
Here's what should be done IMO: halve the requirement (7 hours a week). It's a matter of keeping good staff members for the long-term. I don't think the current model of cycling though staff members every few months is a good one. Also, with a 7 hour a week requirement, wouldn't the servers be understaffed? No, I don't think so. With the lower requirement, we can simply have more TF2 staff members for one thing, and !calladmin and discord and the forums exist for a reason (that reason being the servers can't be staffed 24/7 anyways.

while I can see why you would write this, I am going to throw my own side down.
 
People leave step down from staff not because of requirements, but because the game isn't fun or its for their own good.
@Kypari originally stepped down for his own health
@mrnutty12 stepped down because hes clocked in over 10k hours so yeah, the game would get boring for him
@Caleb956 stepped down earlier because it wasn't fun
 
Point is, everybody has their own reason for leaving.
Also before it was 14 hours, it was something along the lines of 30 hours every 2 weeks or something crazy so lowering it for 14 to something else would be a poor idea as the staff would think that they aren't needed and will only go for the minimum requirements, leaving basically no staff on the servers when needed.
I understand you said this, but staff are volunteers and have their own lives. So if the requirement were to be lowered, it would probably in turn lower the amount of staff available at one time as they would make plans for their own life.
 
That is just my own take on the subject. I'm not saying I'm right in anyway, just my viewpoint.