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As long as you keep the loli out we good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihSaGAVHmvw
 
Bach's channel scrubs will remember.
 
 
Also, rule #8 should/probably shouldn't but it would be lit, be a rule on every one of our servers.
 
 
(Rule #8, for the uninitiated, is that intoxicated people have free reign and are immune from all punishment that isn't perm worthy).
 
 
 
 
 
 
...and who could forget "no balls give me channel admin"
 
*channel group changed*

i remember that i used to be always on here...:coffee:

I think the person only reading the first word of a response here is you.

 
The jist of this is that it's easier for you to type text to @everyone in discord than it is in teamspeak (not wrong here, but you can just type a message in teamspeak too [that only goes to the people in the teamspeak channel])
 
Your second post was literally garbage wasting space saying i don't know how to read, and that i don't use discord. I do, I enjoy discord with my friends who I have from real life and we play games once in a while. We use it quite well, and it is enjoyable i'm also subscribed to a few others that my out of state friends use. could they use teamspeak? absolutely, infact they have when they play games that I use TS for.
 
I didn't say based solely off your response here that all tf2 staff are garbage and need re-evaluated. I will however say based off of your responses that you are someone who should re-evaluate yourself, you are taking a criticism in a discussion and getting bent out of shape over it. I clearly stated that it was based off of recent issues within the TF2 staff mostly based on ban requests and ban protests that were "controversial" (brian, the other dude with a loli spray), when you reset expectations, you have to reset them for everyone not just one individual, that way everyone is on the exact same page in terms of expectations I don't think poorly of staff, I have been a member for 6 years and the majority of it as staff in some way or form (M A DM DL) and I know what staff have to deal with, it sucks. but that doesn't mean they can be allowed to run amok and do things based on improper reasoning. Yes letting fellow staff know that something happened and to keep an eye out is fine, or saying "hey i just kicked this guy for x, if he does it again he should probably be banned" but all of staff decisions need to be based on legitimate experience, you saying "hey this guy was just kicked for mic spamming next time he needs banned" doesn't mean in 3 days he is spamming mic he should be banned. Punishment is definitely accumulated but only to an extent, the major issues recently have been taking that as a literal statement and bumping up to increased length and type of punishment for unrelated reasons. (again, see: brian)
 
To liken this to real world since that might make it easier to understand, when you break a law such as theft, you pay a fine, next time you steal you go to jail you go for x time, and then you are let out. you do it again, jail is probably longer. now you're out again and you got a parking ticket... the way tf2 staff have been going recently that would mean you are put in jail for x3 the time over a parking ticket because you went to jail x and x2 for theft. That is why the staff need expectations reset, and don't you dare try to deny it because your posts in this thread alone are condoning this kind of staff behavior

Staff don't need to ask permission to do their job but they are expected to do it properly, and when they are not they either get demoted or talked to, I prefer to talk to staff (which I did all the time as a DL/DM because it is better and far easier to correct a mistake than it is to just remove powers and not teach why it was wrong.

I think the person only reading the first word of a response here is you.

 
The jist of this is that it's easier for you to type text to @everyone in discord than it is in teamspeak (not wrong here, but you can just type a message in teamspeak too [that only goes to the people in the teamspeak channel])
 
Your second post was literally garbage wasting space saying i don't know how to read, and that i don't use discord. I do, I enjoy discord with my friends who I have from real life and we play games once in a while. We use it quite well, and it is enjoyable i'm also subscribed to a few others that my out of state friends use. could they use teamspeak? absolutely, infact they have when they play games that I use TS for.
 
I didn't say based solely off your response here that all tf2 staff are garbage and need re-evaluated. I will however say based off of your responses that you are someone who should re-evaluate yourself, you are taking a criticism in a discussion and getting bent out of shape over it. I clearly stated that it was based off of recent issues within the TF2 staff mostly based on ban requests and ban protests that were "controversial" (brian, the other dude with a loli spray), when you reset expectations, you have to reset them for everyone not just one individual, that way everyone is on the exact same page in terms of expectations I don't think poorly of staff, I have been a member for 6 years and the majority of it as staff in some way or form (M A DM DL) and I know what staff have to deal with, it sucks. but that doesn't mean they can be allowed to run amok and do things based on improper reasoning. Yes letting fellow staff know that something happened and to keep an eye out is fine, or saying "hey i just kicked this guy for x, if he does it again he should probably be banned" but all of staff decisions need to be based on legitimate experience, you saying "hey this guy was just kicked for mic spamming next time he needs banned" doesn't mean in 3 days he is spamming mic he should be banned. Punishment is definitely accumulated but only to an extent, the major issues recently have been taking that as a literal statement and bumping up to increased length and type of punishment for unrelated reasons. (again, see: brian)
 
To liken this to real world since that might make it easier to understand, when you break a law such as theft, you pay a fine, next time you steal you go to jail you go for x time, and then you are let out. you do it again, jail is probably longer. now you're out again and you got a parking ticket... the way tf2 staff have been going recently that would mean you are put in jail for x3 the time over a parking ticket because you went to jail x and x2 for theft. That is why the staff need expectations reset, and don't you dare try to deny it because your posts in this thread alone are condoning this kind of staff behavior

Staff don't need to ask permission to do their job but they are expected to do it properly, and when they are not they either get demoted or talked to, I prefer to talk to staff (which I did all the time as a DL/DM because it is better and far easier to correct a mistake than it is to just remove powers and not teach why it was wrong.

You didn't post any points, your post was literally "if i want to tell people something i can @everyone" and that's it. As far as letting people know someone is "up for a ban next" you guys really really need to go over how to properly be a staff member. that is not how staff should be doing things, you shouldn't be banning someone for something because some other staff member said that they were "up for a ban next" you should be basing all of your own bans and kicks etc. off of what you experience in game with said player. (the exception being ban requests, as that is something only the higher ups can ban based off of anyway. this type of discussion is something that I think needs to be had and the staff need to have their expectations and standards reset based off of your response here, and the recent issues going on in TF2 staff specifically with ban protests and ban requests. @Aegean @Forest

Have you ever given teamspeak a try? Personally speaking, they are both very simple to use. pick a name, join a server, join a channel, talk. with discord you have a by default giant UI and your PMs stay open until you close them vs. teamspeak having a default small UI and PMs close when you close them or close teamspeak.
 

As a DM you should be readily available for any staff discussions taking place on TS and any questions from new players/members who find their way on teamspeak.
 
TS also has bots, that are available as created/allowed by the server owner same as discord, we just dont use them since they are pointless to have, the most notable features of the publicly hosted (free) discord bots are the same things as the twitch streamers, they announce when someone goes live etc. or put a song in chat, the same could be done by a regular person. You just have experience with discord bots because you "own the server" and invited a generic free use bot into it.
 
You can invite your outside of xg members into teamspeak, it is a public server for anyone that likes games etc. There is no stipulation that says you have to be an xG member, we have had people we met on tinychat join TS and stay for months and others we met randomly join and stay (hanney is a TS member xdddd)
 
The whole point of this thread is to understand why staff dont want to use teamspeak (aside from their circlejerking cliques about who their next target is to get demoted (see: vector step down) sp when you say "There's too many reasons to list" you do literally nothing to help this conversation and you make yourself as a staff member (especially a DM) seem like you just don't care about helping further the community or community discussions.
 

 
If the staff used teamspeak in the first place, you would be doing the same single message on teamspeak as you were discord, and if it is something major that really needs to be addressed to all staff instead of a "i'm logging off now guys" that should be something you message the DM/DLs of the division and let them handle distributing the information.
 
@Kypari you are basically saying you like discord because you have the owner power in your own server, sorry buddy, but that's life you wont have that power in teamspeak because you aren't silence. I think that is a joke of a reason not to use teamspeak for xG servers. you can spam a porn bot through PM in discord and break it just the same.
 
@Vargas and anyone else saying it's "super ugly" there are skins available that are IMO much better than discord UI but the default is also pretty nice.
 
 
@all most members and staff that step down or have issues state that there are fundamental issues within the community such as availability of discussing issues and availability of staff to talk to about concerns.
Myself personally I have had some questions time and time again about what exactly goes on in the TF2 servers and would look to message (preferably a DL/DM) a staff member from TF2 but the last dozen or so times the only one available to talk to was @Egossi on teamspeak, and before that was @Bello several months ago. By using your own several discord servers you actually drive a bigger wedge through the community by not being open to discussion about what is going on, and you make it harder for new/existing members or other staff to seek information on current events or ways things differ (clarifications on difference in rules/style)

You didn't post any points, your post was literally "if i want to tell people something i can @everyone" and that's it. As far as letting people know someone is "up for a ban next" you guys really really need to go over how to properly be a staff member. that is not how staff should be doing things, you shouldn't be banning someone for something because some other staff member said that they were "up for a ban next" you should be basing all of your own bans and kicks etc. off of what you experience in game with said player. (the exception being ban requests, as that is something only the higher ups can ban based off of anyway. this type of discussion is something that I think needs to be had and the staff need to have their expectations and standards reset based off of your response here, and the recent issues going on in TF2 staff specifically with ban protests and ban requests. @Aegean @Forest

Have you ever given teamspeak a try? Personally speaking, they are both very simple to use. pick a name, join a server, join a channel, talk. with discord you have a by default giant UI and your PMs stay open until you close them vs. teamspeak having a default small UI and PMs close when you close them or close teamspeak.
 

As a DM you should be readily available for any staff discussions taking place on TS and any questions from new players/members who find their way on teamspeak.
 
TS also has bots, that are available as created/allowed by the server owner same as discord, we just dont use them since they are pointless to have, the most notable features of the publicly hosted (free) discord bots are the same things as the twitch streamers, they announce when someone goes live etc. or put a song in chat, the same could be done by a regular person. You just have experience with discord bots because you "own the server" and invited a generic free use bot into it.
 
You can invite your outside of xg members into teamspeak, it is a public server for anyone that likes games etc. There is no stipulation that says you have to be an xG member, we have had people we met on tinychat join TS and stay for months and others we met randomly join and stay (hanney is a TS member xdddd)
 
The whole point of this thread is to understand why staff dont want to use teamspeak (aside from their circlejerking cliques about who their next target is to get demoted (see: vector step down) sp when you say "There's too many reasons to list" you do literally nothing to help this conversation and you make yourself as a staff member (especially a DM) seem like you just don't care about helping further the community or community discussions.
 

 
If the staff used teamspeak in the first place, you would be doing the same single message on teamspeak as you were discord, and if it is something major that really needs to be addressed to all staff instead of a "i'm logging off now guys" that should be something you message the DM/DLs of the division and let them handle distributing the information.
 
@Kypari you are basically saying you like discord because you have the owner power in your own server, sorry buddy, but that's life you wont have that power in teamspeak because you aren't silence. I think that is a joke of a reason not to use teamspeak for xG servers. you can spam a porn bot through PM in discord and break it just the same.
 
@Vargas and anyone else saying it's "super ugly" there are skins available that are IMO much better than discord UI but the default is also pretty nice.
 
 
@all most members and staff that step down or have issues state that there are fundamental issues within the community such as availability of discussing issues and availability of staff to talk to about concerns.
Myself personally I have had some questions time and time again about what exactly goes on in the TF2 servers and would look to message (preferably a DL/DM) a staff member from TF2 but the last dozen or so times the only one available to talk to was @Egossi on teamspeak, and before that was @Bello several months ago. By using your own several discord servers you actually drive a bigger wedge through the community by not being open to discussion about what is going on, and you make it harder for new/existing members or other staff to seek information on current events or ways things differ (clarifications on difference in rules/style)

A few points to anyone who isn't familiar with the differences between TS or Discord

Bots: Ts has bots as well, and can be customized to listen to server chat or channel chat.
I don't really understand the whole "I can't use teamspeak" since it's fairly straight forward if you ever used a VOIP in the past, and if you have a busy discord server, it does fuck your CPU usage compared to a busy teamspeak server. Discord is written in javascript and an electron based web application which is why it has an issue on performance when a lot of people are online.
You can customize a teamspeak server much more than discord, especially in terms of roles which is why roles in discord are very clunky. You can even give powers channel related (for example staff in TF2 have control over the TF2 channels as well, whereas in discord I believe you must have powers in the entire server and can't be given powers over just a channel.
Administration over teamspeak is much superior, kicking or banning in discord can easily be worked around, whereas teamspeak bans your UUID + IP, we have never had an issue after banning someone on teamspeak, that they constantly made new accounts and came back.
Channels can have sub channels, and we can space them out with spacers to make it more neater, something discord does not have.
Unless you lock a text channel, anything you say in there is public to everyone, instead of it being only with the group in the channel at the time. Imagine all the different groups of xG in one discord, and how hard it would be to organize everyone to their own channels, and give them the privacy they want.

his only legitimate ban is from 2 years ago and "he has received warnings from several of us" is not much of a reason to ban him, you guys never gave him warnings enough to kick/ban him yourselves and so far several mod/admins are here claiming he has been this toxic before (not counting the ban from 2 years ago)

Duckii | Xeno Gamers Always a good chuckle from this one

Trigger warnings if you see a spoiler.
 
 
 
 
I remember the days when cs:s had a zombie escape server and it was some of the most fun I had in this clan, Playing on the starwars map, my lord. fantastic.
 
I remember when cs:s was first starting, and we had master rampage, trollface, and a few others as staff, and the first day stories came onto the server while us 3 were playing, and started rapping. sad shortly joined after and man, they were awesome dudes.
 
I remember when stories got shipped off to Basic training and left xG :(
 
I remember when sad stopped joining mumble. :(
 
I remember when aram first joined the clan.
 
I remember Guncest
 
I remember when aram was a squeaker
 
I remember when we left mumble and went to teamspeak
 
I remember when Aegean joined the servers, and never talked.
 
I remember when duckii reigned over this clan like the plague
I remember when duckii jr vowed his love too her
 
 
I remember hosting the first minecraft server for this clan and silence getting jealous and started an xG one.
 
I remember getting kicked out of the clan. (a few times)
 
I remember the clan having a Heroes of Newerth division and I ran it.
I remember it dying and we pretended like it never happened.
 
I remember monica
 
I remember having a council meeting about getting council staff
 
I remember Aegean getting staff for the first time
 
I remember Aegean sporting a pink shirt and cowboy hat.
 
I remember meeting rukibah for the first time.
 
and he never talked, but when he did he'd call me a towel, he called me it a lot.
 
I remember when cs:s had an eu server.
 
I remember when cs:s had 60player pop that was maxed out
Then 40
Then 20
 
I remember back when bombs weren't a thing in jailbreak and we had actual wardens and there were wardens that could contain 40 people, now we have wardens that can't handle 6.
 
I remember when you could have fun on the servers wtihout being banned/kicked.
 
I remember everything about this clan, this clan me home :(

I remember when darkwolf was banned. xddd

I remember when @doublebuttass and @pspprogramer ran the MC division and it was 10x better than any other person has made an MC div since... (map and all on towny, multi box with factions etc.) Then Korea called double for army service. RIP Minsoo. and then Arthman tried to run it and he was a clown.
 
I also remember when we got random girls in tinychat and they would hang out with us and became xG Tinychat Members @PiNoYPsYcHo @serbiansnaga (Daisy etc. RIP)

hes in a big warehouse, and is assigned/picks a letter and in or out of state. he then sorts all of the packages within his letter by zip/postal code. (if it is for the out of state section, he sorts by state/province [if canada is included])

hes in a big warehouse, and is assigned/picks a letter and in or out of state. he then sorts all of the packages within his letter by zip/postal code. (if it is for the out of state section, he sorts by state/province [if canada is included])

when people still recognized meowmix. there was a day he came on when i was still relevant and out of all of like 4 or 5 members i was the only one who knew him. made me sad

I remember when darkwolf was banned. xddd

I remember the old tinychat days and the time when we actually had a great GMOD division

When McNeo punished BillyMays, Kenny, KingJ, MadScientist and Smoker for roleplaying in jailbreak as guards and prisoners and having fun lmfao

tbh he only tests some plebian game like FIFA. and he doesn't even have friends anymore because of it... We never see him anymore. :(

I remember when "Late night JB" wasn't some deemed time period of "relaxed rules" it was just the chill ass homies like @Forest @Duke @Cristo and myself would just chill and have fun around the hours of 12 midnight - 5 am PST

tbh he only tests some plebian game like FIFA. and he doesn't even have friends anymore because of it... We never see him anymore. :(

I remember when "Late night JB" wasn't some deemed time period of "relaxed rules" it was just the chill ass homies like @Forest @Duke @Cristo and myself would just chill and have fun around the hours of 12 midnight - 5 am PST