SegFault

1 hour ago, Tatost said:

By fixing you mean disabling shields during AIA? Disabling charging isn't possible unless you blacklist the items, but you can change the distance the charge goes AFAIK. They did this on JB, and it fixed the problem with charging on that server, but it won't really work too well for surf. While the distance is decreased, the charge still exists, you can still hear all of the sound queues (screaming, bashing, etc.).

4 hours ago, Johny3Tears said:

disable demo weapons that allow for charge (sm_aia_disabledweapons "....")

ill test this on a private server tonight but sm_aia_disabledweapons "131,406,1099,1144" should resolve the entire issue. All that this does is make the items not affected by AIA 

6 minutes ago, Tatost said:

It's just a joke, dude. One joke in a serious thread isn't the end of the world, not to mention that I was completely serious just above that. It's really nothing to get upset about.

I think we've all seen how quickly a thread can derail from an inflammatory joke. I'm just trying to prevent it from happening.

7 minutes ago, Tatost said:

Spectator exists. Just quickly cycle through the players and find out who's doing it. It's not that big of a problem IMO.

That's true, but not always practical to do with time constraints. That being said, its still and exploit, so why not just fix the exploit and just leave the other AIA features in then?

2 minutes ago, NitNat said:

What people still don't seem to grasp is that you are able to walk away. If it annoys someone to the point where they feel the need to cry they arent bound to that platform, they can move.  It's not killing anyone, it's not disrupting balance, it's NOT an exploit, it's just noise.  That's it.

The definition of an exploit is a tool or action designed to take advantage of a feature of a system that is not defined by its intended use. I don't see how this is not an exploit, if you could enlighten me I would appreciate it because I may just be missing something. And you seem to be missing my point still that people are bound to that platform for enough time to get upset. Now, even if this is being too sensitive to it, we are a community server.

I want to draw attention to that because with how I see it, to thrive as a clan and as a family of servers, it is then in our  best interests to do what best appeases the community. Keeping the demo charge is at best a neutral trait for the server unless people are saying "Hey, we should go to those xG servers for the first 30 seconds of the map to demo charge into a corner", and in most other ways just a negative trait if people aren't happy about it. We rely on the community for funding, population, and general environment.

TLDR/Seg is stupid and doesn't make sense: We don't loose anything in the grand scheme of things by disabling demo charge AIA but if we don't, we possibly run the risk of loosing server population from the players that are as you said - crying - about it

5 minutes ago, Tatost said:

I mean, if it's an exploit, should you not warn the player who's doing it?

this thread is kind of stupid, I didn't read anything except for the OP's post.

Its pretty hard to locate who exactly is doing it (due to teams, time spent loading in and unable to look around, multiple demo's exploiting this, etc.) most of the time so its hard to warn people as far as i'm aware.

Unless I'm mistaken, voice chat and game sound are in a mono channel with each other so its hard to verbally warn players (as pointed out earlier in the original post) due to the sound going over the same channel at a similar volume. A text warning is possible but as stated at the top of this reply, its hard to locate the players doing it so its inherently hard to pinpoint and address and if it is addressed/punished it could open up a conflict where players could argue "why didn't the X team's demo get in trouble for it???" which is a fair argument and IMO just puts the staff in a poopty position. 

10 minutes ago, Tatost said:

I bet you guys are the type of people to go to a rock concert and then complain that it's "too loud"

also I don't see the point of taking personal shots at people. I made this as a serious thread so please keep relevant to the servers, not the people voicing their thoughts on the matter 

1 minute ago, YeEternalTuna said:

That makes no sense whatsoever. If you're ''wasd frozen'' then how the hell is the demo spam even happening? Everyone is wasd frozen (which means no demo spam atm) so that point is immediately invalid. And with that, you can still simply walk away from the sound and do what ever.

because other players arrive into the server at different times, which AFAIK is the reason for the allotted time pre-round so you're just sitting there not being able to move forward while other players are. Idk maybe apparently this only affects my game then, and I just wasn't aware. but even if that is local to only my game the sound can be heard from menu screens while selecting class and spawning in regardless.

And just to restate: I am talking only about surf. No other maps or game modes have an issue with this that I am aware of

42 minutes ago, NitNat said:

1.its not a supply cabinet, it’s just demoman himself

I didn't realize that, i thought it had to do with location on the map due to where people always go to do so ty for clarifying.

43 minutes ago, NitNat said:

2.its only 20 seconds at best if you connect right away

the time doesn't really matter that much. its like an alarm clock in the morning. the bigger point is that its obnoxious and draws your attention not that it lasts forever.

45 minutes ago, NitNat said:

3.its not even as loud as you’re making it out to be, all you have to do is distance yourself a tiny bit to hear whoever is talking, what you’re saying with not being able to hear anyone is if you’re charging yourself. 

Yes, but when you spawn in you're wasd frozen for a few seconds right next to it which is more than enough to drive a lot of players insane (in my experience)

48 minutes ago, NitNat said:

4.its not an exploit because everything else is given infinite ammo, which so happens to include charge.

its done to exploit the sound and shake the screen. I'm not saying they're exploiting the game or server, they're exploiting the plugin. I'm fairly sure the plugin wasn't written to specifically encourage demo charging into a wall and therefore is an exploit. If that is incorrect, please let me know

3 minutes ago, Sesh said:

Also, stripping little fun things away eventually adds up over time, making things feel kinda...soulless? Imo anyways.

i don't mean to remove fun poop, its just getting on peoples nerves from what i've observed so in my eyes its more just an issue of enabling trolling. 

Once again, its just as viable to disable AIA on certain weapons which doesn't seem like a bad compromise in my opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

As many people on surf may have figured out, at the beginning of every map a plugin called advanced infinite ammo (AIA) is enabled on our surf server. This is normally a fun command however there is an exploit that allows Demo Man to infinitely charge into a supply cabinet/wall and make an exceptionally loud crashing sound/scream over and over again for the thirty seconds. While at first many people laughed and thought this was fun, quickly many people are becoming increasingly frustrated and annoyed by it due to noise and ear rape for lack of better terms. When staff or players ask others to stop this I've noticed people can hardly hear voice over the sound which only makes things worse. I would like to assert that we disable the plugin (sm_aia_waitingforplayers "0") or disable demo weapons that allow for charge (sm_aia_disabledweapons "....") top avoid this exploit

I think itd be fine if you stopped chewing ice into your mic.. jesus. +1 you seem to know what's up

nice kid but can be pretty spammy on the mic and tends to talk over people (albeit i don't think its intentional). otherwise doesnt break rule or cause issue. +1 A:8 M:7

+1 A:9 M:8 sometimes you can be a bit immature but most of the time you're a great dude

+1 while his activvity may not be the most top, def feels like hes qualified.the activity issue may be just difference in hours online between us so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ best of luck my dude

you know...honestly me and tat have had our fair share of poop with each other but hes in the last couple months, the ways hes started treating people and talking to others has shown a great deal of increase in maturity. i think he'd be a good addition back to the community/ +1 A:8 M:7

Thanks for everything you've helped with nebby! Your'e awesome!

I think precious hit the nail on the head.

11 hours ago, Precious said:

I'm honestly kinda torn on this. From what I've seen of you, I think you're pretty friendly, funny, chill, and nice to have around. You're active, you follow the rules, and I don't believe I've ever had a problem with you. However, I also believe you could have been a tad more mature in how you've handled certain situations in the past. 

I think you could be great staff again however it also feels like you handle things very personally if its about the rules etc. I think if you were to become staff it wouldn't be a bad thing but I also think that further showing some maturity and respect to others when they are in disagreement with you would be a good trait to work on. Neutral

9 hours ago, YeEternalTuna said:

He's saying if you actually treat him correctly instead as a animal, that he'll respect you back. I'm going to 100% assume that information is relating to reporting people when ever theres something going on and that he could trust him if he were to lets say, report a hacker? If there's something going on here let's keep it to the pm's because I can see there's something funky happening rn.

no, it just stood out to me as a very odd way to recommend someone for member

5 hours ago, FrostyBoiGrim said:

Ok so i forgot to include a reason:

MJP is someone who has some drama surrounding him and is looked down on by some, but is actually fairly easy to deal with and truely loves xG and would love to see it improve. By simply treating him with respect but still keeping firm, he'll recognize you and treat you with respect. This has worked well for me and he now trusts me. He has led to being considering him as one of the very trustworthy surf regulars as he has never given me false information.

Wait, so your your agreeing that he's very Imature and fairly inactive, but +1 cause he gives you info? That seems very biased...what info is he giving thats so valuable?

(-1)

A:7 very speratic, M:5 constantly talks over others including staff to have his way on issues and causes issues. Can be mature and respectful some times but always has to have the last word on an issue even if it doesn't involve him

Also may have stolen joshlink100's voice

+1 A:8 M:9 no probs that I've seen

9 minutes ago, TooSadToTalk said:

yes when ever i use vote i use console because when i do /vote in chat the question gets messed up every time, and when i use console it doesn’t get messed up. I’ve spawned one boss without a vote since me being back and i was already talked to about it and haven’t done it since. i know i abused paid mod when i had it but i was younger and more trying to have fun but now i’m trying to get xG how it was all the servers populated and almost full i know a lot of you memebers and staff have doubts about me but i have grown since than and i’ll im asking for is another try to show you guys who I am now. i haven’t abused donor since i paid for it many years ago cause i don’t want to see my powers taken away.

You did not call a vote on multiple occasions because just last week I had to respond to a call admin on you for that reason. -1 for mod. Neutral for membership. Also probably not a great profile picture for the forums

+1, despite his his history with xG, i think he has shown his maturity and more than proven his efforts to improve.

8 minutes ago, Miyukii said:

 @Elcark What happened to the Objective server? Did you guys just scrap it or something cause I was kinda excited for it but then no one talked about it ever again. I'm curious on if we are ever going to do it on the empty server or not. 

Yeah I would like to see the objective server happen first personally, so if that was scrapped I think we should vote on making this empty space into that with priority instead of a alt game mode server

skill or mge imo

On every day, never causes issues that I've seen or breaks rules A:9 M:9