Ms.Spooks

I think the person only reading the first word of a response here is you.

 
The jist of this is that it's easier for you to type text to @everyone in discord than it is in teamspeak (not wrong here, but you can just type a message in teamspeak too [that only goes to the people in the teamspeak channel])
 
Your second post was literally garbage wasting space saying i don't know how to read, and that i don't use discord. I do, I enjoy discord with my friends who I have from real life and we play games once in a while. We use it quite well, and it is enjoyable i'm also subscribed to a few others that my out of state friends use. could they use teamspeak? absolutely, infact they have when they play games that I use TS for.
 
I didn't say based solely off your response here that all tf2 staff are garbage and need re-evaluated. I will however say based off of your responses that you are someone who should re-evaluate yourself, you are taking a criticism in a discussion and getting bent out of shape over it. I clearly stated that it was based off of recent issues within the TF2 staff mostly based on ban requests and ban protests that were "controversial" (brian, the other dude with a loli spray), when you reset expectations, you have to reset them for everyone not just one individual, that way everyone is on the exact same page in terms of expectations I don't think poorly of staff, I have been a member for 6 years and the majority of it as staff in some way or form (M A DM DL) and I know what staff have to deal with, it sucks. but that doesn't mean they can be allowed to run amok and do things based on improper reasoning. Yes letting fellow staff know that something happened and to keep an eye out is fine, or saying "hey i just kicked this guy for x, if he does it again he should probably be banned" but all of staff decisions need to be based on legitimate experience, you saying "hey this guy was just kicked for mic spamming next time he needs banned" doesn't mean in 3 days he is spamming mic he should be banned. Punishment is definitely accumulated but only to an extent, the major issues recently have been taking that as a literal statement and bumping up to increased length and type of punishment for unrelated reasons. (again, see: brian)
 
To liken this to real world since that might make it easier to understand, when you break a law such as theft, you pay a fine, next time you steal you go to jail you go for x time, and then you are let out. you do it again, jail is probably longer. now you're out again and you got a parking ticket... the way tf2 staff have been going recently that would mean you are put in jail for x3 the time over a parking ticket because you went to jail x and x2 for theft. That is why the staff need expectations reset, and don't you dare try to deny it because your posts in this thread alone are condoning this kind of staff behavior

Staff don't need to ask permission to do their job but they are expected to do it properly, and when they are not they either get demoted or talked to, I prefer to talk to staff (which I did all the time as a DL/DM because it is better and far easier to correct a mistake than it is to just remove powers and not teach why it was wrong.

10/10 reading. Again you ignore me. It's like you read the first sentence and think "o wow this person is dumb lemme fix dat" and obviously you don't know how staffing works. Punishment is accumulated. If someone is banned for an hour than repeats the same offense it goes to a day ban. Our staff does their best to stay in communication about issues in the most convenient ways. Putting the responsibility like expecting them to be on teamspeak 24/7 is fucking dumb. When staff are in game they shouldn't need an ok to fo their damn job. If you have a problem with how staffing is done then find new staff, becuase I won't stand for myself or the other staff being put on the spot of " and the staff need to have their expectations and standards reset based off of your response here" you can fuck right off if you think so poorly of our staff. They do their job the best they can. Sitting here bundling every staff up as a collective idiot ia downright disgusting. It's pointless even arguing with you becuase you won't even read my response anyways. This is my last reply.

You didn't post any points, your post was literally "if i want to tell people something i can @everyone" and that's it. As far as letting people know someone is "up for a ban next" you guys really really need to go over how to properly be a staff member. that is not how staff should be doing things, you shouldn't be banning someone for something because some other staff member said that they were "up for a ban next" you should be basing all of your own bans and kicks etc. off of what you experience in game with said player. (the exception being ban requests, as that is something only the higher ups can ban based off of anyway. this type of discussion is something that I think needs to be had and the staff need to have their expectations and standards reset based off of your response here, and the recent issues going on in TF2 staff specifically with ban protests and ban requests. @Aegean @Forest

We've had many discussions about why we don't use discord, and I have said in the past that I do not want to force staff to use teamspeak, instead of forcing I would like to know from you guys what it would take to get you to start using our teamspeak.
 
If you are staff and do not use our teamspeak, I would like to know the reasons behind you not wanting to use teamspeak despite it being our official VOIP and the fact that we want new players to also use our teamspeak and populate it. If none of you use teamspeak, you guys are pretty much indirectly persuading the new members to not use it either since if they want to hang out with you guys, it has to be on your own discords.
 
On teamspeak we are able to integrate it with the forums so you not only get credits every minute you're on teamspeak (and not afk) but also the fact we release custom icons and you are known by your staff rank (different stars for different staff) to help newer folks interact with you.
 
Anyways, all that being said, the question is just what would it take for us to convince you to use our teamspeak more often. We used to have a rule back in the CS:S days that you must be active on teamspeak, I'm not gonna threaten you with a demotion at this time and I know some of our higherups use discord as well, this is just an open discussion, no flame allowed.

2 posts on the forums and you guys are already going for his jugular. God damn calm down.

Oh my god, not this crap again.....
 
Its free stuff, deal with it. We don't have to have this plugin. Just be happy that you even get just a single piece of metal.
 
Its main purpose is to encourage people to join our server.

It doesn't matter if its free or not. The matter of the fact is that the plugin is breaking a lot, and this is a post mainly focusing on those issues. Instead of bringing your sass, try to help out by providing more examples to help @Rhododendron fixing those issues.
 
How about we encourage people posting about them instead of scaring people away?

This thread is pointing out obvious flaws in the system. It's not supposed to be broken half of the time. Stop being snarky.

So i've been thinking about this for awhile and there are many reasons for it.
 
First off, my biggest problem is how disgruntled, the TF2 xG community is. I'm not naming names because i don't want to cause shit or belittle anyone in particular because it's everyone in the TF2 div's fault, mine included for not doing a better job at trying to mitigate these situations. It's just the sad state of affairs this community is and frankly i'm tired of it. Everyone is at each other's throats with constant bull shit flung from both sides. This is also especially true in the staff community. Everyone has a clique and if you don't like someone they will try and do shit in their powers to get people they don't like demoted or promoted. I've heard ridiculous bull shit like people going on alt accounts just to instigate staff with the hopes of having them caught handling a situation poorly just for evidence to get them demoted. No one wants to help their fellow admin or mod. I'm not saying you have to be their friend or even like them for that matter, but to do some lowly bull shit like cut evidence up to make someone look bad or just being hypocrites and i'm seeing it is dragging into other divisions too and i'm really just getting tired of it. i was hoping @Aegean would make a thread about the state of the community of the tf2 division but that hasn't been created yet. If you're glad to see me demoted then fine. But it shouldn't be a good thing that a staff member is stepping down nor should it be a good thing that they were demoted. People in this clan go out of their way to not help moderators especially with their job on the line and it's pretty fucked. It also doesn't help that there is always a fucking problem. It feels like at least once a week there is this massive shit storm where it's nothing but shit flinging or passive aggressive comments, discord rants and so on. You might be thinking, well you will encounter this any where. That's true to an extent but for god sakes people. This is a video community, not some corporate business where you gotta step all over people to get to the top or some cliche shit like that.
 
Second, school. I'm leaving this sunday for school and will probaby too busy to moderate when trying to balance a social life, university and so on.
 
Third, Tf2 just isn't really fun anymore. i'm struggling to just get the hours to justify my admin powers and with this TF2 update not coming out to help light some sort of interest in this game it's becoming more and more of a pain. I'm sure many of you playing tf2 right now can understand how i'm feeling about how slow this update progress has been as i'm sure many of you have displayed as well.
 
Anyway, thats it, i'm stepping down. I will consider coming back in the future however as of right now, with school, little interest in tf2, and just the tf2 division as a whole, i think its my time to step down. Hope the tf2 divison gets their stuff together and i hope all of the mods/admins do a great job. Peace. i will probably still play tf2 every now and again.
 
Add me on my main account because thats where i'm mostly going to be now.
 
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Aw, rip man. Will try to come on discord with you still to play things like L4D2 with @BonfireCentipede and @Ms.Spooks still

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A: 5?
M:3
Likes to harass people to rtv. Can't quite grasp concepts of no. Already has been causing problems for a while.
Maybe once these issues would stop appearing I'd change my opinion. Till then I say nay.

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A: 5?
M:3
Likes to harass people to rtv. Can't quite grasp concepts of no. Already has been causing problems for a while.
Maybe once these issues would stop appearing I'd change my opinion. Till then I say nay.

Me and Hina have decided it is best we close the Minecraft server for the time being while we work on resolving the issues the server is having. Thank you for playing and we hope to bring you the server back soon working and fully updated. Your current accomplishments, currency, towns and equipment all remain safe and I will be taking the extra step of saving a local backup to my computer.
 
I will post an announcement when Minecraft is working to the standards we are Xenogamers should be providing.
 
Thank you.

Hey guys.
 
Some may have noticed my hours on TF2 have dropped well below the threshold for what is considered acceptable for staff. I have just lost the urge to play TF2 and with me only interested in playing DR anyway there is little more I can offer the division at this time.
 
So I think it is best for myself and for the clan that I step down from my moderator position on TF2.
 
I would like to put my full focus on my job as Minecraft DL and that takes most of my attention over being able to find that couple of hours a day to throw into TF2. I just can't handle both right now and would like to only focus on my more important role in the clan.
 
I have enjoyed serving the TF2 division and can see DR is well looked after with the current staff regularly playing there.
 
Thanks everyone and hope to see you on Minecraft! (y)

Since there wasnt a poll for the last thread made and it was added even though the majority of the votes were negative, heres another one!
 
Poll with be open for a week.
Vote YES if you want the map to be removed.
Vote NO if you want the map to stay.

It's a shame to think that this thread would even exist after how overwhelmingly negative the previously was received. It just comes off as the communities opinion holding absolutely no value.

I like the map. I just don't like the sleazy nature of the edits. To go this long thinking sylux made it is very sad, but we should get permissions from the actual maker. +1 for removal.

I like the map. I just don't like the sleazy nature of the edits. To go this long thinking sylux made it is very sad, but we should get permissions from the actual maker. +1 for removal.

I had no idea that @Sylux never made the map. Not cool taking their map and putting your name on it. Just because it isn't finished doesn't mean its up for grabs. As stated before, it doesn't look like you did much at all. You were saying you were fixing some bugs and we never got an updated version of the map. I'm surious as to if you did anything at all besides the music boxes I think.
 
But honestly I would +1 for removal. Ive played the map before and as stated before, it got boring for me.

Yes, hi, and hello. Today I'm going to talk about the very controversial map, Edventures. This was both a requested map review and a personal map review.

 



 
This map is trash.
We're done go home.
Ok fine I guess I owe you all reasoning about why this map is so awful. Covering our basis let's talk about this biggest issue with this map, the bad memes. Meme maps aren't inherently bad by default. However there is a certain amount of over saturation and audio spam that brings you to the edge of insanity. Every time this map was on I consistently heard 13 year old and younger kids impersonating the "We need some wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels" meme that gets played every time you step into the go karts. They were buggy by nature and had a "nifty" little button that made them go faster. Anyone in front was instantly killed. and of course like everything else on this map had some nice audio spam of an engine running. This is the tip of the iceberg folks. Buckle in cause we're in for a long ride.

 



There was a default track of Ed, Edd, and Eddy's theme playing in the background. While nostalgic, it became repetitive after a while. By nature it's not bad. Except for the random tracks of laughing, "allah akbar"-ing(from dropping a bomb,) and screaming from cows having sex on a trailer's roof(assuming you were near that area.) All of these things caused a lot of noise pollution. This is assuming you're lucky enough not to have the walky talkies being spammed, cut, and replayed. Those cursed words of "when you stub your toe" still echo on the deepest levels of my madness. There were more walky talkies hidden on the map but I'm not listing them all.
 



 
Now as I said this is a meme map with various easter eggs including Johnny test's severed head on a pike, Censored MLP porn, and many more trashy memes. The combination of audio and visual memes are enough to make most of sane thinking queezy. To this map's credit however, at least the memes are not overly saturated into a small area. Like many smaller maps tend to do, they shove as much content into a single space as possible to make up for poor quality. At least there is enough space to enjoy yourself before encountering the next meme, at least visually. It won't be long until you run across one though.

 



Next let's talk about the ever important map quality. It's as bad as the memes.
Now now clam the hell down and hear me out.
Yes I'm aware that the map is a reflection of the show it's based on. Ed, Edd, and Eddy by design were minimal. They were designed to be simple yet to the point. However, this map takes the concept too far in my opinion. Taking way too many liberties in lazy design. For starters the texture of the map is incredibly bland where everything not only is flat, but looks flat as well. What do I mean? If you were to look at the fences for example they have no shape. This would have been forgivable if the fences were consistent. The chain fences near the school actually have texture and shape. It's horrendous to look at visually. It doesn't end at fences either. Rooftops, trees and many other things have no shape. They literally are 2d models rendered in a 3d world. It's incredibly ugly

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The coloring and texturing of the environment are even worse. The map is a bunch of dull colors and flat textures that were slapped on. Now I want to point out that the show had detail in it despite it's minimalist nature. You had a certain about of depth that gave visual clues on the shape/texture of an object. The houses are a great example of this where they lose any kind of shading, layout, or design for a literal colored block for buildings. Here is a picture from the show of a house. You can see more detail in this 2d picture then you can on the in game 3d models. The glass has shine, the door appears wooden, the roof has a brick like texture to it. Hell even the pavement has more definition then the 3d models.

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Say what you will about me being harsh on the design elements, but I stand by my opinion that it was lazy. On a 2d plane they have an excuse for an image to appear flat. An animator doesn't have time to perfect the shape of a bush or roof. They just have to get the idea across. As a 3d model however, there is no excuse. "But it looks like the show" Yeah sure as a bland object I could have made with default blender items I could make an egg look like a bad spongebob pineapple. I'm not going to however because it would look bad. Same thing with this map. You have to make changes to make a 2d object into a 3d model. Including adding texture!
 

 



Alright in terms of actual gameplay this map isn't complete garbage. Still bad but not complete trash.
Lots of open space mixed with a niche little alley way maze allows for some fun playstyles you normally couldn't play on say hyrule. Outside of rocket and sticky pogo don't expect any sweet rocket jumps outside of occasionally hanging out on the roof. This map very heavily favors scouts, snipers, and pyros over other classes. The obstacles let scouts have a lot of fun sneaking around and causing mischief to snipers hiding in the neighborhood. Pyros have plenty of fun hiding in the alleyways waiting to catch their victims by surprise. Snipers can just sit behind a building or on a roof and have vision of almost every part of the map that isn't behind a fence/wall. So expect to be sniped, spawn camped by scouts, and dominated by ninja pyros. There isn't quite a lot to do on the map outside of finding the memes. There are a couple easter egg rooms including that bad meme room and a sheep room. Neither team is really favored over the the other in terms of spawns. They're both equally bad being teleport spawns, rather open, and unprotected. It's not the worst map to favor sniper but it is still not wise to walk out into the open.
 

 



Overall this map is bad. It attracts the worst of the tf2 community with bad lenny binds, memes, and other general garbage. I'm not even covering all the exploits the map had. It's a very bland map. It was poorly designed and executed. It's size does not compensate it's quality in any form. I'm glad the map was removed and you all should be happy too. It was funny for the first week it was added but after a while it starts to really show how bad it is. For those of you saying it's not based on a game, you're wrong. Look up Ed, Edd, and Eddies mis-adventures for gamecube/ps2 and you will be disappointed. There was a racing and pc game but we don't talk about those. I would never vote for this map, most certainly nominate it.
 
 
What? Why are you still reading?
 
I didn't forget anything! I Swear!
 
Wait.. What's that over the horizon!

"Hey Look everybody! Bad memes are BACK"
"We love you bad memes!"
Kill me.

I demand that we put it back onto the TGH server.
 
WHOSE WITH ME?!?!?!

I'm just going to say no and refer you to my previous posting on edventures.
Wyv's Map Review: Dankventures[former Tgh Map] | Xeno Gamers

I'm just going to say no and refer you to my previous posting on edventures.
Wyv's Map Review: Dankventures[former Tgh Map] | Xeno Gamers

@Ms.Spooks I keep forgetting about you, sorry :(
 

 
Will do, Nit :emoji_skull::rip:

I don't know how to word this any better, but I'm gonna take off once again. Sadly I can't give a better reason but I'm just disinterested and tired of most of the crap going around. I'm just going to deal with it now instead of later in the year. I've made my choice and I'm just stepping down to member for the final time. I had a lot of fun supporting xG though, thank you all for that.