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+1 if you add random weapons on surf
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But you have to play team fortress with me bc I don't have friends

Potato salad for sure
I think I actually have a problem

Potato salad for sure
I think I actually have a problem

Potato salad for sure
I think I actually have a problem

Potato salad for sure
I think I actually have a problem

Because a lot of the powers would have to be disabled to account for various things last I checked. (ie stuff like toxic or homing projectiles would have to be disabled because of accidental spawnkilling)
Rolling for random debuffs with a minute chance of the probably not very helpful thing isn't very fun afaik. And assuming you are not being facetious, it doesn't so much balance them out as it does double down on the issue.
Personally I dislike the rng based nature of random crits and find them counterproductive to most engagements and irritating to many players. Surf certainly isn't the most serious epik gamer environment, but dropping random crits from the gameplay there does very little for 99% of what goes on there but make people who dislike them happier. Unless you really rely on them for killing those bhoppping mach 10 people it shouldn't even be noticeable were they removed as per literally every other place where they were turned off. Sure it is less random but in a more enjoyable way, surf is already super chaotic and disorganized but that charm is harder to enjoy when you are being instagibbed by the guy you just brought to 2 hp with a pile of sync'd up rockets.

As for the people who have said that they are helpful for breaking jail camps, I'd say you see more success on that front from cleaning out sniper boxes and forcing the other team to take cover/deal with you or bhopping around from the jail teleports as a distraction for your team (fast man make shoot, must chase). Those both are far more common and consistent ways to keep the camps in check that I would see used (and personally did) to great effect in that particular matter. Random crits are inherently unreliable and are probably going to favor the camping team because of the mechanics behind crit frequency, and if you are bad you will just end up camped again so they really don't even help much in the long run.

To be fair random crits also make people leave, I recall many of times in which I have gotten a dumb random crit which I didn't deserve and just see people leave. Sure some people like to have this randomness factor in the game but never the less the negativity bias will always rule over, making the person on the end of receiving the crit, get upset and have a negative reaction which is much more strong compared to that millisecond of happiness the other person has and then immediately forgets about it while the person who received the crit ends up leaving the server due to getting hit by a glowing rocket that came out of nowhere. It just kills fun, period. No questions asked. Also name any other successful fps source game that has a randomness factor in it. Hell even the game its based off of doesn't even have random crits(Quake). This is the only one and clearly there are more people who dislike random crits to who actually enjoy them. 

When the ability to bhop, surf_frictional, and increased air accelerate are added to tgh I will give you that. Currently it has none of those, so I reject your idea.

@ScottNi Fortnite runs on the Unreal Engine, I said Source engine as thats what Valve uses and due to it being a game made by Valve I thought it would be more fair to put it in that category compared to all games in general as there would be some games bound to be luck based yet popular, also the entire concept of fortnite in general is to get lucky and find good weapons. Tf2 on the other hand is much more fixated as you have one weapon and thats all you have got, and if paired against someone with the same thing at that point its all up to skill until one person gets lucky and gets some random shiny bullets or rockets and just one shots the other player. That is unfair as compared to fortnite which is just literally luck based when it comes to fighting, sure there are battles in which the more skillful player will win but if one other person has a better version of their gun due to getting lucky they have a higher chance of winning, you shouldn't compare it to fortnite although I see your point.

Whoa there, I almost didn't see this thread
Random crits take away a huge skill factor from the game, and to die by one is incredibly annoying. It may be entertaining to get a random crits, but 90% of the time you no longer care about the crit moments later, when your focus moves on to something else.
It also doesn't make sense to get punished for trying to kill enemies. Especially when you consider that enemies who are weak from winning a fight have a higher chance to crit you. Players that are getting kills in succession don't need the added chance to randomly do triple damage.
The same goes for random bullet spread. Last I checked it's still enabled on surf, but not on tgh. These mechanics that only serve to induce randomness have no place in a game like tf2, even in a casual setting. The recipient of the crit feels cheated, and the sender of the crit shortly thereafter either forgets or stops caring in most situations. The only exception being when a group of people are hit with the crit, but in that situation there would be multiple affected meaning that one person is cheating multiple people out of a fun experience all because of rng.
There's this arguement that random crits prevent stalemates and spawncamps. This is flawed by the fact that random crits are based on how well the player is doing and are, for lack of a better word, random. The team who's spawncamping is obviously going to be getting more kills, and relying on rng to end a spawncamp is a horrible plan when compared to a coordinated Uber push. And on almost every map there's not just one way to get into the jail. So there's always the option of surfing to a seperate jail
I do understand that sometimes it's hard to coordinate a push with a bunch of people that you might not even know, but relying on a random mechanic is not a good solution. It only serves to make recipients feel cheated out of a fair fight
Sorry for the horrible structuring

Whoa there, I almost didn't see this thread
Random crits take away a huge skill factor from the game, and to die by one is incredibly annoying. It may be entertaining to get a random crits, but 90% of the time you no longer care about the crit moments later, when your focus moves on to something else.
It also doesn't make sense to get punished for trying to kill enemies. Especially when you consider that enemies who are weak from winning a fight have a higher chance to crit you. Players that are getting kills in succession don't need the added chance to randomly do triple damage.
The same goes for random bullet spread. Last I checked it's still enabled on surf, but not on tgh. These mechanics that only serve to induce randomness have no place in a game like tf2, even in a casual setting. The recipient of the crit feels cheated, and the sender of the crit shortly thereafter either forgets or stops caring in most situations. The only exception being when a group of people are hit with the crit, but in that situation there would be multiple affected meaning that one person is cheating multiple people out of a fun experience all because of rng.
There's this arguement that random crits prevent stalemates and spawncamps. This is flawed by the fact that random crits are based on how well the player is doing and are, for lack of a better word, random. The team who's spawncamping is obviously going to be getting more kills, and relying on rng to end a spawncamp is a horrible plan when compared to a coordinated Uber push. And on almost every map there's not just one way to get into the jail. So there's always the option of surfing to a seperate jail
I do understand that sometimes it's hard to coordinate a push with a bunch of people that you might not even know, but relying on a random mechanic is not a good solution. It only serves to make recipients feel cheated out of a fair fight
Sorry for the horrible structuring

I have made this before I will do it again, random crits are not a requirement on surf. They just ruin the fun of the server and should be disabled, if we have random crits removed on every other server, why not this server? If we remove random crits on this server I believe that it will make everyone who regularly plays on this server much more happy, my main point being the negativity bias. If you get a random crit, wow I got lucky and killed three guys out of luck, cool. That is a positive experience however that experience disappears in mere moments, however the negative experience, aka the three people on the other side of the crit got the negative experience, and those experiences last significantly longer and they sure as hell won't be forgotten, thus in conclusion it would be better to completely remove random crits from surf.

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@virr please call at least one promo/demo a bumpy/dumpy
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@virr please call at least one promo/demo a bumpy/dumpy
The community needs this

@virr please call at least one promo/demo a bumpy/dumpy
The community needs this

@virr please call at least one promo/demo a bumpy/dumpy
The community needs this

@virr please call at least one promo/demo a bumpy/dumpy
The community needs this

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