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-1 Can we not remove maps just because "oh I don't like them"? I don't think we should remove a map just based off of if you dislike the map, but if there's actually something wrong with the map such as a map-breaking exploit or such.

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Because people actually do that it's immature of Septik? You're off your rocker. When we had removed Nimusland from TGH rotation, people were actually debating on the map. Then someone made a request to remove another map, in which Scootaloo brought up the whole: "We shouldn't remove it because you hate it." concept. Moosty is right on this one. As the thread only shows so far, Septik and a few others who dislikes the map in general. Which is perfectly fine. There may be others who agree on those terms, hence why there is a poll. If you don't want it, vote yes. Otherwise vote no. In my opinion though, we honestly should remove it. It's pretty bland and irritating. Hyrule is a large map, but it's well built. There are teleporters that take you throughout the map instead of having to walk for a few minutes just to get to the action. And by no means am I saying that every map should be like that, but playing on a trade server which the only other thing to do besides trading is killing enemy players. You're going to want to get to the action right away if you can. Sure the map may have secrets (which is nice), but there are maps out there that could potentially replace 3DLand. Maybe start having people suggest more maps to add variety instead of complaining when someone requests a map be removed. "Then votes should be non-commentable. If any comments or concerns need to be brought up, they should be done in private... only then will the higher-ups use the poll result and the concerns brought to them to make a final decision. That’s how I feel most of these high-valuing votes should be ran." People should be able to comment to persuade people to keep or remove the map. They should just elaborate more with better reasoning. Not this "Don't remove it because you don't like it" shit.

The way I see it, gaming related and not broken are MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, not automatic grounds for a spot on the server. This idea that whoever made the thread just wants it gone for personal reasons is pretty dumb. I see it as the same type of argument as hating on people for less than stellar posts to get to 50, what are they supposed to do? If multiple people think a map is bad, and not up to our servers standards, whether that map is complete and bug free or not really doesn't matter. And besides, outside of clear personal favoritism and begging higher ups outside of the forums, starting a discussion around whether or not we should have a map is perfectly valid. For any reason. It's a community vote, not one persons opinion. 3dland is generally disliked. Groans flood voice chat whenever it gets picked, and I think it's telling that your argument is "we shouldn't remove maps we dislike" instead of bringing up a single positive thing about the map. If the map can't be defended on the merits, and only on what is basically procedural grounds, then it should be removed. Tl;dr: the map is bad, fairly objectively. it may be complete, but it's bad. If you want it gone, say why. If you want it to stay, defend it on its merits. But if all you can say is "we shouldn't remove maps the community as a majority dislikes" then nah fam, we should. +1 for removal

+1 from me as well. Has a great attitude towards our community and always treats people well on servers.

From what I can tell he meant that people -1 on the basis that they don't think a thread to remove a map is valid because "not liking a map isn't a good enough reason to make a thread" (even though it totally is, it's still up to the community not whoever made the thread), not because of anything to do with the map itself. Which is pretty clearly happening. Septik nor I have a problem with people supporting the map and speaking their opinion on the map, what we have a problem with is saying valid reasonings for making thread aren't actually valid, which scares off people from making suggestions in the future. Atleast that's what I gathered.

And just because there are complaints in the chat doesn’t mean that a higher-up will automatically know “Hey, people hate this map". No. They don’t review the chat-logs 24/7. And unless someone brings it up to a higher-up or actually speaks up about it on the forums, you shouldn’t expect it to be fixed. If people have been complaining about the map for so long, they have been more than able to sign up for the forum to make a post as you did which is fine. No map is going to be 100% flawless or perfect. Everyone is fully entitled to their opinion. I am not going to vote because personally...I don’t care either way. People will not always support something you want to change. When you make a vote, you should expect it to be both approved and disapproved by many people. How you wrote out how people “act” on your suggestions is just immature and over-exaggerant. Also, It isn’t that difficult to bind a key to kill if you get stuck in the non-working area...just saying.

+1 completely deserves a moderator position mature and seems reliable, and looks like he is active too

3dland plays very differently than most maps, feels better when you play agile classes such as demo, soldier, or scout. it also looks very nice and the ? blocks are a nice little thing to add -1 for removal

True, but whether it's a large majority complaining, or a few people with a grudge is the question. If more than half want it gone, it should be gone. If a few want it gone, it won't pass the vote. That's how our system works. Saying dislike isn't a valid reason to make a poll is what I have a problem with. If we only have the oppurtunity to make threads about technically (code wise) flawed maps, that greatly lessens the communities ability to build the best server. And I don't want to hate on our higher ups because I love the speedy responses and activity, I just want consistency. But we've been adding maps that are suggested usually after just a higher up testing it. No community vote and no arbitrary two week wait. It shouldn't be easier to add a map than remove one. Either make both easy or both difficult. But we're at a place right now where it's easier for a map to be added than removed, and that breeds lower quality maps in the rotation.

Not much more to add then what was said, just because it's not "the best" map, doesn't mean it needs to be removed. If that were the case we'd have all of four maps on the server. Lets please not purge maps just because they aren't top tier, sometimes a map is worth keeping just for the sake of variety.

+1 for probationary mod Seems like a good guy, knows the rules and is quite active.

It's been a bit since that ban, though I'd be curious as to why you didn't come around earlier to protest. Still, guess I'll see what Caleb has to say or show if anything, though if nothing comes forth I suppose I'll put a cautious +1 in as well.

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trade_3dland is a horrible map. It is sad that I have to go from one end to the other end to actually get into contact with the other team. This map is bland, broken and boring. In the overworld when you fall off the edge, you don't die when there should be a kill zone down there. A lot of people hate this map for these reasons (unless I forgot anything). I think it is time we remove this map and I hope you think so too.