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To step in and have a final word, since I missed this entire ordeal, I think the idea of someone paying to become part of the moderation staff is a terrible idea. Sure, it's good monetarily for our servers, but detrimental to our image when people buy their position and can't handle the responsibility.
 
I'd personally be content with doing away with it as a whole. You shouldn't be able to buy responsibilities like this when you can't handle them. That's why we make judgment calls on who gets those privileges.

To step in and have a final word, since I missed this entire ordeal, I think the idea of someone paying to become part of the moderation staff is a terrible idea. Sure, it's good monetarily for our servers, but detrimental to our image when people buy their position and can't handle the responsibility.
 
I'd personally be content with doing away with it as a whole. You shouldn't be able to buy responsibilities like this when you can't handle them. That's why we make judgment calls on who gets those privileges.

To step in and have a final word, since I missed this entire ordeal, I think the idea of someone paying to become part of the moderation staff is a terrible idea. Sure, it's good monetarily for our servers, but detrimental to our image when people buy their position and can't handle the responsibility.
 
I'd personally be content with doing away with it as a whole. You shouldn't be able to buy responsibilities like this when you can't handle them. That's why we make judgment calls on who gets those privileges.

Nah, you are. If we're going to stoop to correcting figures of speech, we are. This has derailed from discussion to just plain whining and bickering.
 
You'll get uber donator. If we end up seeing problems with that, then you'll lose that as well.
 
By law, you should not expect anything in return for sending a donation. We are nice enough to give people perks for donating to us. By breaking our rules, you run the risk of forfeiting your money. We were nice enough to give your money back twice now. This time we aren't going to pay for your mistake.
 
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You can say that we're "scamming" you or that I hate you or whatever. But if I remember correctly, I was the only one who agreed on giving you paid mod back. You also agreed to the terms that we would take it away for final this time if something went wrong.
 
~Closed

I'm transgender!
Yeah, I found out about myself in like Febuary of last year and I've been hiding it for a while.
I've told a few of my friends in my school so I thought I should tell my online ones.
So if you're not a douchebag it would be really nice if you referred to me as a girl instead of a guy!
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I think I tend to agree with what Dethman is getting at with his post. I cannot tell you how many member applications have been automatically rejected since May, simply because the person submitting the application was between 14-15 years old. When it comes to terms of growth in our division, like it or not, that's the average age of the people applying to be part of our group.
 
That being said, I can't say for certain that our group has matured at all since implementing the age restrictions. It seems like we still have the same amount of issues with conflict and drama than we did when we were still allowing people to join at 14 years old. It may be unrelated completely, I'm not sure, but from this DM's standpoint, a lot of potential members have been turned down in the past few months solely due to their age.
 
I think that reverting the age requirement to 14 for members might be the right step, but definitely keep the requirement at 16 for any sort of staff position. That's a must. But, as diabeetus said, it's all on Silence to make this call. I just wanted to provide what I've seen since the change has gone through. =)

Alright, thanks. From what I understand this is definitely something you guys need to figure out (not anything for CLs) and stop from happening in the future. I mean I'm all for some nights of fun with powers but set guidelines or something so this argument doesn't arise.

Speaking of titles, can I have mine back yet?

Chillax on that there, slick. He's an internet troll, not someone who's going to bring about genocide.
 
I was unaware of the previous bans and mutings. OFC it should be higher than a warning, but I haven't seen any evidence of a Perm-worthy punishment. Just because the dude hurt someone's feefees doesn't mean he needs to be instantly permed.
 
Motioning for a week ban to get the message across that we won't tolerate the disrespect, but I don't feel he's done anything worthy of being perm'd from our servers. If he comes back in a week and continues the abusive behavior, I'll be happy to extend the ban to permanent status.

God, you people are impressionable.
 
I'm not even going to go through the routine I've devised at this point, because I can see that it is just being blatantly ignored.
 
If you won't try and work things out with the involved party yourself and instead only insist on causing more drama, talking behind backs, and trying to go out of your way to get someone in trouble without working out your own issues, what makes you think we want to do it for you?
 
Confront the person you have beef with, express your issues, and work it out like human beings who can think rationally. If, and only if, you have a civil conversation with the accused and try to resolve your issues peacefully, they are STILL combative, collect your evidence and try again.
 
I'm not dealing with this petty bullshit any longer. Follow my advice and do what I've been telling everyone else in this clan to do when they have problems with another member. And if that doesn't work, ignore them.
 
I'm just done with it. Thread closed.

Well I'll be damned. Seems the impossible is possible today. Welcome back, egossi!
 
 

 
CONGRATULATIONS!
 
You have been accepted to join Xeno Gamers!
 
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Well I'll be damned. Seems the impossible is possible today. Welcome back, egossi!
 
 

 
CONGRATULATIONS!
 
You have been accepted to join Xeno Gamers!
 
To begin your membership, familiarize yourself with our rules listed here. This is highly important and knowing these rules will keep you safe from bans!
 
Want to get Moderator?
 
There are a few ways to earn admin!
1. Be active on TeamSpeak! To download TeamSpeak click here and then click 'Download Here' and download the appropriate client for your OS. Then just install, follow the 'Easy Setup' guide, and finally, click 'Connections' and 'Connect' and enter 'voice.xenogamers.com' in the 'Server Address' field.
2. Be active on the forums! This is one of the best ways to get your voice heard in Xeno Gamers!
3. Be active on the servers! This shows that you are committed to the clan!
 
For a server list, click here.
 
Come check out our staff list to see who is who on the servers, click https://xenogamers.com/threads/17314/
 
WE HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY!

Also, to add...
 
If a user is using the calladmin command and they genuinely think that there is an issue when there really isn't anything for us to fix, instead of immediately administering a day ban in the future, explain to the individual that the call is not verifiable and give them a warning. If someone is constantly spamming the calladmin command with absolutely NO reason, then we utilize the day ban.
 
Use wise judgments in these situations. Look at it from their perspective. Adapt wasn't trying to use the command without reason. He was just trying to help.

I don't know what xG would be like if Vector was never here. Not gonna lie.
 
When I first joined, Vector was one of the main dudes I went to with questions and concerns. He was one of the biggest supporters of me initially getting Mod and eventually Admin that I can recollect. He stood up for me when I was going through the ranks and actually gave a shit about me. I consider Vector a friend.
 
I've never had any issues with Vector on a personal level. There are very few times we have ever actually disagreed about anything, and when we did disagree about something, we were quick to bump heads and resolve our issues, and get right back to work on whatever we were working on.
 
Vector was always one to handle things a bit more brash than others, but he never slacked in his duties and always made sure rules were being enforced. It wasn't until I became a DM that I even really ever had any sway over what Vector was doing in our clan, and when it happened, I was bombarded by an overwhelming rush of complaints about how he handled things. Perhaps it was just my new responsibilities that meant I'd eventually have to deal with the issue, or maybe it just came with the job, but the inevitable fallout of Vector being banned happened, and I am still very mixed on that decision.
 
But here we are now. Vector is here, protesting the ban, showing us all that he still very much cares about this clan. The very clan that cast him out, told him that he was unwanted, that he was a jerk and a butt...he still cares about this clan. He still wants to be apart of this community, even after everything that has happened.
 
I can't say I'd feel very much like sticking around a clan that did that to me, even if I was or was not in the wrong. The moment something like that happened, I would have been out of that clan in a heartbeat and never turned back. It takes a hell of a lot of drive to stick around a place like that, especially if a majority of the members made it perfectly clear that you were not welcome.
 
Well, I say "Fuck it" to all of that nonsense and will give my +1 to the unban. I'm not advocating a reinstatement of admin privileges or an immediate addition to the moderation team or anything, but if Vector can humble himself enough to say "I fucked up and want to make amends." and still show that he actually gives a damn about our community, I say we give him the benefit of the doubt and welcome him back.
 
I can't speak for everyone, and I know that a lot of those who have already posted in this thread have made it evidently clear that you dislike Vector, but me....I'm a forgive and forget kind of guy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, you know?
 
Just my two cents.
 
tl:dr I +1 the unban.

Also, to add...
 
If a user is using the calladmin command and they genuinely think that there is an issue when there really isn't anything for us to fix, instead of immediately administering a day ban in the future, explain to the individual that the call is not verifiable and give them a warning. If someone is constantly spamming the calladmin command with absolutely NO reason, then we utilize the day ban.
 
Use wise judgments in these situations. Look at it from their perspective. Adapt wasn't trying to use the command without reason. He was just trying to help.

Lol. GG no RE.
 
Rules For Tf2 Donator Powers
 
This thread covers MOST of our Donator rules. If you have any questions about anything else, lemme know!
 
If there is nothing else, thread can be closed.

I don't know what xG would be like if Vector was never here. Not gonna lie.
 
When I first joined, Vector was one of the main dudes I went to with questions and concerns. He was one of the biggest supporters of me initially getting Mod and eventually Admin that I can recollect. He stood up for me when I was going through the ranks and actually gave a shit about me. I consider Vector a friend.
 
I've never had any issues with Vector on a personal level. There are very few times we have ever actually disagreed about anything, and when we did disagree about something, we were quick to bump heads and resolve our issues, and get right back to work on whatever we were working on.
 
Vector was always one to handle things a bit more brash than others, but he never slacked in his duties and always made sure rules were being enforced. It wasn't until I became a DM that I even really ever had any sway over what Vector was doing in our clan, and when it happened, I was bombarded by an overwhelming rush of complaints about how he handled things. Perhaps it was just my new responsibilities that meant I'd eventually have to deal with the issue, or maybe it just came with the job, but the inevitable fallout of Vector being banned happened, and I am still very mixed on that decision.
 
But here we are now. Vector is here, protesting the ban, showing us all that he still very much cares about this clan. The very clan that cast him out, told him that he was unwanted, that he was a jerk and a butt...he still cares about this clan. He still wants to be apart of this community, even after everything that has happened.
 
I can't say I'd feel very much like sticking around a clan that did that to me, even if I was or was not in the wrong. The moment something like that happened, I would have been out of that clan in a heartbeat and never turned back. It takes a hell of a lot of drive to stick around a place like that, especially if a majority of the members made it perfectly clear that you were not welcome.
 
Well, I say "Fuck it" to all of that nonsense and will give my +1 to the unban. I'm not advocating a reinstatement of admin privileges or an immediate addition to the moderation team or anything, but if Vector can humble himself enough to say "I fucked up and want to make amends." and still show that he actually gives a damn about our community, I say we give him the benefit of the doubt and welcome him back.
 
I can't speak for everyone, and I know that a lot of those who have already posted in this thread have made it evidently clear that you dislike Vector, but me....I'm a forgive and forget kind of guy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, you know?
 
Just my two cents.
 
tl:dr I +1 the unban.

I don't know what xG would be like if Vector was never here. Not gonna lie.
 
When I first joined, Vector was one of the main dudes I went to with questions and concerns. He was one of the biggest supporters of me initially getting Mod and eventually Admin that I can recollect. He stood up for me when I was going through the ranks and actually gave a shit about me. I consider Vector a friend.
 
I've never had any issues with Vector on a personal level. There are very few times we have ever actually disagreed about anything, and when we did disagree about something, we were quick to bump heads and resolve our issues, and get right back to work on whatever we were working on.
 
Vector was always one to handle things a bit more brash than others, but he never slacked in his duties and always made sure rules were being enforced. It wasn't until I became a DM that I even really ever had any sway over what Vector was doing in our clan, and when it happened, I was bombarded by an overwhelming rush of complaints about how he handled things. Perhaps it was just my new responsibilities that meant I'd eventually have to deal with the issue, or maybe it just came with the job, but the inevitable fallout of Vector being banned happened, and I am still very mixed on that decision.
 
But here we are now. Vector is here, protesting the ban, showing us all that he still very much cares about this clan. The very clan that cast him out, told him that he was unwanted, that he was a jerk and a butt...he still cares about this clan. He still wants to be apart of this community, even after everything that has happened.
 
I can't say I'd feel very much like sticking around a clan that did that to me, even if I was or was not in the wrong. The moment something like that happened, I would have been out of that clan in a heartbeat and never turned back. It takes a hell of a lot of drive to stick around a place like that, especially if a majority of the members made it perfectly clear that you were not welcome.
 
Well, I say "Fuck it" to all of that nonsense and will give my +1 to the unban. I'm not advocating a reinstatement of admin privileges or an immediate addition to the moderation team or anything, but if Vector can humble himself enough to say "I fucked up and want to make amends." and still show that he actually gives a damn about our community, I say we give him the benefit of the doubt and welcome him back.
 
I can't speak for everyone, and I know that a lot of those who have already posted in this thread have made it evidently clear that you dislike Vector, but me....I'm a forgive and forget kind of guy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, you know?
 
Just my two cents.
 
tl:dr I +1 the unban.

This is another thought being kicked around as well, just so I can give an officiated statement on the matter. We are looking into recently banned individuals who were given the axe for this reason to see if there was any other negative behavior that added into the ban, and considering all aspects.
 
For those who were banned solely because of telling someone else to "Go Kill Themselves", we will most likely be reducing the sentence.

That was addressed as another concern, and I can assure you that if our Mods and Admins make sure to follow correct procedure, we will NOT have another blunder like that again. But you are right, that last thread was a huge mess. We are aiming to avoid things like that in the future.
 
Also, you are 100% correct. Death Threats are a HUGE issue. However, telling someone that they should kill themselves isn't a death threat. It's disrespect. That doesn't mean it isn't severe, but it isn't as severe as threatening to track someone down and murder them, which is what is textbook definition of an actual Death Threat.

Sorry m8o, don't meet our age requirements.
 
Thread closed.

In light of recent events, the DMs and DLs of our TF2 division have congregated and discussed at length how our Mods and Admins are to handle specific offenses, those of which are directly related to "Death Threats", "Encouraging Suicide", and "Disrespect" as a whole.
 
@Vector created a thread on the forums last night that directly addressed these issues. If you haven't seen said thread, it can be read here: Death Threats | Xeno Gamers
 
In this thread, many good points have been made about the validity of individuals being banned for using such harsh terms as "Go Kill Yourself" and whether or not these kinds of insults should be tied into the "Death Threat" category. On one side, many of our members are of the mindset that this is the kind of language and treatment we want to avoid on our servers at all costs. The other side feels that we are making too many leaps and bounds to ensure that people aren't being offended. Both are valid concerns, and I can say a decision has been made.
 
Henceforth, the way we handle these kinds of offenses is to change. Before this, we were permanently banning individuals for using such harsh language towards others on our servers, but now, we are going to be a tad bit more lenient. To all the Mods and Admins reading this thread, you are expected to follow the same measures as we have always expected of you when dealing with said issues: Warn, then Mute/Gag, then Kick, then Ban if the offenses continue. No longer are we expecting immediate bans of any sort. Instead, you are to follow the same procedure as with any other disrespecting individual. ANY MODS OR ADMINS NOT FOLLOWING PROCEDURE AS WE EXPECT WILL FACE IMMEDIATE DEMOTION. You are all expected to follow procedure with a level head, to the tee. Absolutely no exceptions.
 
The DMs have all unanimously decided that members telling others to kill themselves is NOT as severe as telling someone that they are going to be murdered. That being said, this offense will still be met with a matter of severity.
 
If you encounter any individuals who continue to tell others that they need to kill themselves, even after the warnings, then the offense will be met with no lower than a week ban at minimum. This is ONLY to be dealt out if said individual continues to ignore warnings and persist with their behavior. As I stated above, any Mods or Admins who are NOT following the given procedure to deal with offenders will be met with immediate demotion. PLEASE ensure you are following correct procedure and giving warnings, using the mute and gag systems, and using the kick function before issuing bans. This should be the norm with ANY issue you face, and bans should only be used in the most extreme cases. As always, when bans are administered, please also do your best to collect the proper evidence if you feel it necessary to possibly seek a permanent ban down the line.
 
We do not want ill-spoken users making anyone's experience negative, but at the same time, we don't want to turn into Nazi's trying to censor everyone and cater to the smallest hurt feelings. No longer will we treat "Go Kill Yourself" offenses as permanent bans, but will handle them as any other form of disrespect.
 
If you have any questions or feedback, feel free to post in this thread. Thank you.
 
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Will definitely +1 the removal of Frantic Factory. EVERY SINGLE TIME we go to that map, it turns into the mods/admins having to babysit the boxing arena for all of the bodyblocking that happens. It's a nightmare.

Will definitely +1 the removal of Frantic Factory. EVERY SINGLE TIME we go to that map, it turns into the mods/admins having to babysit the boxing arena for all of the bodyblocking that happens. It's a nightmare.

While we're complaining about things that should be there that aren't there....
 
I STILL don't have my custom Chickun title in orange letters. It was removed ages ago and I haven't seen it since. =(